Losing interest in Indus civilization

[Chhatrapati]

Hey twat!

Read this:

Reverse engineering and then claiming the technology as indigenous:- India's shameful secret revealed!

India did not master any rocket technology. India just copied it and reverse engineered soviet missile technology.

There are only a few countries in the world that have truly designed and deployed modern ballistic missiles from scratch. US and Soviet Union are pioneers. India is not one of them and never was.

During the late 1980's, India started off what it called the Project Devil (yes, that's a real name they gave to it) to develop missiles and rockets. A lot of technology from soviet union was reversed engineered or simply copied to produce Indian current missiles.

India has never produced any defence product on its own from scratch, so such questions should be asked with care. Indian missiles are copies or reverse engineered copies of Soviet missiles. Indian jet fighters are designed and developed by either Russian, American, or European companies. Likewise, the rockets used to probe space are Russian technology, painted with Indian colors (it costs money too).

The failure of Kaveri engine is a proof that India alone cannot design any modern defence article. Probably no western or European country or Russia was willing to extend help on this program, which is why the DRDO could not copy anything to make it working.

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"During the first phase (1958-1970), India's missile ambitions were confined to building a first-generation anti-tank missile (ATGM) and developing a three-ton thrust, liquid-fueled rocket engine most likely based on the Soviet SA-2. In Phase II (1971-1979), India's missile program focused on two significant projects: the first, Project Devil, was an attempt to "reverse-engineer" the Soviet SA-2 surface-to-air missile (SAM), while the objective of the second, Project Valiant, was the development of a 1,500 km-range ballistic missile."

Yeah India might have reverse engineered the rockets. Rocket Engine is not a great achievement to begin with.
But nobody shares the technology of a Cryogenic Engine. Neither a RAMJET or SCRAMJET engine. Not even the Russians, no matter how generous they are. India developed those from scrap and I consider those greatest achievement.
But again the Americans copied German jet engine technologies.
Soviets stole nuclear technology from US, also some engine techs during WW2.
Chinese copied the design of F16, F35 etc.. Also the Mig21.
Why the big fuss??
If our scientist were so incapable of developing anything. How we are here. We can't vehemently copy designs. If the Russians have a hint that we are copying their designs, they would retract the support.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

A) Indian coders :- 5 Indian hackers hacked 250 Pak website in a single day and posted link on the new site , The link also posted on PDF , so that everyone can check those websites by themselves.

You are taking pride in hacking a third world country's websites.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Losing interest in Indus civilization

Many Indians are interested in Indus civilization because they associate their country's science & engineering talent with this civilization. They think their country is making strides in science & technology because of the heritage of Indus civilization.

But if the same Indians come to know of the dark truth about India's science & technology, the interest in Indus civilization would fizzle out instantly. Many of India's successes and failures are hidden in mystery and things actually may not be as they appear. When I pondered over the real technological capability of India, I instantly felt like giving the Indus valley civilization discussion a complete miss. In light of these revelations, even if Indus civilization indeed belongs to India, I wouldn't give two hoots.

There are strong reasons to believe that India's civilian space programs and military R&D projects may be non-indigenous or even fake. Indian technology doesn't seem to be about innovation/ingenuity. It is probably about purchasing and managing. The list of misleading red herrings is long. For instance, if India's Mars and Lunar missions are real, why is it unable to invent engines for it's military plane even after so many decades of trying? If Indian space missions are real, why are Indian programmers/coders so notoriously incompetent? Why is India harassed by a tiny country of Pakistan? Please don't cite Western awards and other significant 'recognition' of Indian science & technology. West has it's own agenda and their hyped certificates often don't indicate real merit.

The question is why do Indians do it? Why would Indians fabricate a facade about their science & technology prowess? I can think of two answers: One, to deter nuclear attacks by creating a camouflage of great strength. Two, to make money by siphoning R&D funds. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

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[Bharat Muslim]

Losing interest in Indus civilization

Many Indians are interested in Indus civilization because they associate their country's science & engineering talent with this civilization. They think their country is making strides in science & technology because of the heritage of Indus civilization.

But if the same Indians come to know of the dark truth about India's science & technology, the interest in Indus civilization would fizzle out instantly. Many of India's successes and failures are hidden in mystery and things actually may not be as they appear. When I pondered over the real technological capability of India, I instantly felt like giving the Indus valley civilization discussion a complete miss. In light of these revelations, even if Indus civilization indeed belongs to India, I wouldn't give two hoots.

There are strong reasons to believe that India's civilian space programs and military R&D projects may be non-indigenous or even fake. Indian technology doesn't seem to be about innovation/ingenuity. It is probably about purchasing and managing. The list of misleading red herrings is long. For instance, if India's Mars and Lunar missions are real, why is it unable to invent engines for it's military plane even after so many decades of trying? If Indian space missions are real, why are Indian programmers/coders so notoriously incompetent? Why is India harassed by a tiny country of Pakistan? Please don't cite Western awards and other significant 'recognition' of Indian science & technology. West has it's own agenda and their hyped certificates often don't indicate real merit.

The question is why do Indians do it? Why would Indians fabricate a facade about their science & technology prowess? I can think of two answers: One, to deter nuclear attacks by creating a camouflage of great strength. Two, to make money by siphoning R&D funds. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

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[Kamikaze Pilot]

Why PM Narendra Modi did not meet protesting Tamil Nadu farmers

Prime Minister Narendra Modi was criticized for not meeting the agitating Tamil Nadu farmers in New Delhi. But, a closer look provides answers as to why PM Modi stayed away from entering the contentious zone.

Prabhash K Dutta | Posted by Shraddha Jandial
New Delhi, April 23, 2017 | UPDATED 08:23 IST

More than 170 farmers from Tamil Nadu stayed put at the Jantar Mantar in New Delhi for 41 days since March 14. Having faced severe drought for two consecutive years in Tamil Nadu, they came to the national capital to seek relief from the Narendra Modi government.

The farmers managed to stay in headlines with their novel ways of protest as they relentlessly tried to have an audience with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The farmers protested with skulls, symbolically telling the government that their plight was like that of the remains of humans.

The farmers held protest cross-dressing as women, staged street plays depicting neglect by the governments, had lunch directly off the road, ran naked near Prime Minister's Office, held mouse in their mouth, ate snake meat, and drank urine. But, PM Narendra Modi did not meet them.

The agitating farmers have suspended their agitation till May 25 after getting assurance from Tamil Nadu Chief Minister E Palaniswami.

Protesting Tamil Nadu farmers at Jantar Mantar in New Delhi.

The Modi government is understood to have discussed the matter at the highest level but a personal audience of the Prime Minister was not granted to the protesting farmers, who have withstood a scorching sun in Delhi summer.

MODI WANTS STATES TO FOLLOW UP MODEL

The most basic argument that is being forwarded is that agriculture is the state subject. Prime Minister Narendra Modi does not want to get directly involved in the matter as it has huge economic cost and also goes against his idea of cooperative federalism.

PM Modi doesn't want to be seen as directly interfering with what is essentially a state subject.

Secondly, the issue involves huge economic cost. PM Modi also doesn't want farmers to leave high and dry after any possible meeting.

Most importantly, PM Modi wants the state to follow the Uttar Pradesh model of loan waiver. UP Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath announced the loan waiver scheme at the expense of his own state treasury.

UPA LOAN WAIVER SCHEME FAILED

The loan waiver scheme of the previous Manmohan Singh government is another reason why PM Modi is not willing to announce a central loan waiver scheme for the Tamil Nadu farmers.

Reports suggest that the Finance Ministry considers a central loan waiver scheme as bad economics and populist politics, which doesn't serve the farmers well.

PM Modi, too, is not convinced that the loan waiver announced by the Manmohan Singh government in 2008 brought an end to the problems of the farmers. Loan waivers are essentially temporary measures.

Tamil farmers stripped naked near PMO during their protest in New Delhi.

Secondly, a loan waiver for Tamil Nadu will lead to similar demands from various states including those going to polls later this year like Gujarat. The BJP is currently ruling in more than half states of the country and PM Modi would not like to see such demands and protests from other states.

ASSISTANCE ALREADY GRANTED

The Centre has already releases Rs 2014.45 crore as assistance to Tamil Nadu for drought relief and other works. The amount was released on March 31 - about a fortnight after the Tamil Nadu farmers started their protest at the Jantar Mantar.

The money was released from the National Disaster Response Fund (NDRF). The official statement of the fund release said that Tamil Nadu was aide was over and above the 42 per cent share in the central excise revenue.

Protesting Tamil Nadu farmers drank urine to highlight their demands. (Photo: PTI)

Tamil Nadu has received Rs 24,538 crore as central assistance under the revenue sharing formula.

Though Tamil Nadu E Palaniswami assured the farmers yesterday at Jantar Mantar that he would take up the issue with PM Modi, the latter is said to be of the opinion that the state government should find out the ways to solve the problem and resolve the issue.

PRESIDENT, SENIOR MINISTERS HAVE MET FARMERS

The agitating farmers met President Pranab Mukherjee and senior members of the Modi cabinet.Finance Minister Arun Jaitley and Agriculture Minister Radha Mohan Singh held talks with the agitating farmers.

The two senior ministers assured them of doing whatever is possible for the central government. The farmers' insistence on meeting the Prime Minister before they call off their agitation did not seemingly go down well with the government.

Protesting farmers at Jantar Mantar.

Secondly, according to some reports, the Centre is convinced that the release of relief fund of over Rs 2,000 crore was received well by the farmers in Tamil Nadu and support for agitating farmers dwindled. This change in situation also weakened the case of the protesting Tamil Nadu farmers in New Delhi.

NGOs TAKING ADVANTAGE OF FARMERS

There were talks suggesting that the protesting farmers were now fighting a political battle apolitically against the Modi government.
Word also spread that some NGOs were trying to take advantage of the farmers' agitation. Such NOGs were allegedly extending help - including financial - to the farmers to keep their protest going for longer period so that the issue got more highlighted and Modi government's image was 'maligned'.

Agitating farmers dressed as women during their protest.

PM Modi is not known to soothe ego or tactics of such forces. Further, some observers said that if meeting senior ministers of the government did not satisfy the farmers, there is no guarantee that the farmers would withdraw their agitation after meeting PM Modi.

Moreover, the Finance Minister and the Agriculture Minister are believed to have met the farmers after getting nod from the Prime Minister. Now, Narendra Modi is unlikely to do anything to belittle his own ministers on an issue that largely falls in the realms of the state government.

IMPRACTICAL DEMANDS OF FARMERS

The farmers sitting at the Jantar Mantar put up unique demands and said that the agitation would not be withdrawn till those were met.

The farmers demanded a relief package of nearly Rs 40,000 crore from the Centre, a farm loan waiver scheme routed through a nationalised bank, setting up of Cauvery Management Board and inter-linking of rivers.

Protesting Tamil Nadu farmers adopted unique means to highlight their issues. (Photo: Reuters)

A Rs 40,000 crore relief package by Centre, if granted to Tamil Nadu farmers, will open a can of worms. The Centre will not be able to sustain similar demands that are bound to arise from across the country. The same is true for loan waiver scheme.

The demand of Cauvery Management Board is not feasible at this point of time. The concerned state governments and the Centre have found it difficult, more due to political reasons, to implement the Cauvery Tribunal award. The matter is pending before the Supreme Court.

The Cauvery Management Board, if set up, may turn into another ring for shadow political boxing. Inter-linking of rivers is a decades-old programme, popularised during the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government. It has not met with great success as there have been serious technical, technological, financial and environmental challenges.

Agitation by Tamil farmers also gave ample oppoturnities for politics in New Delhi. Congress vice-president Rahul Gandhi with Tamil farmers at Jantar Mantar. (Photo: @ANI_news)

The Prime Minister can't commit to inter-linking of rivers in a meeting with a small bunch of agitating farmers in the heart of New Delhi. However, the farmers of Tamil Nadu are facing its worst drought in 140 years. Cyclone Vardah, in December last year, further aggravated their condition.

The Tamil Nadu government declared all the 32 districts of the state as drought-hit. But, the farmers of Tamil Nadu need much more than announcements. The agitating 170-odd Tamil Nadu farmers in New Delhi provide only a glimpse of the problems faced by the community. The wholesome picture is much more grim.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/tamil-nadu-farmers-jantar-mantar-narendra-modi/1/936291.html

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Losing interest in Indus civilization

Many Indians are interested in Indus civilization because they associate their country's science & engineering talent with this civilization. They think their country is making strides in science & technology because of the heritage of Indus civilization.

But if the same Indians come to know of the dark truth about India's science & technology, the interest in Indus civilization would fizzle out instantly. Many of India's successes and failures are hidden in mystery and things actually may not be as they appear. When I pondered over the real technological capability of India, I instantly felt like giving the Indus valley civilization discussion a complete miss. In light of these revelations, even if Indus civilization indeed belongs to India, I wouldn't give two hoots.

There are strong reasons to believe that India's civilian space programs and military R&D projects may be non-indigenous or even fake. Indian technology doesn't seem to be about innovation/ingenuity. It is probably about purchasing and managing. The list of misleading red herrings is long. For instance, if India's Mars and Lunar missions are real, why is it unable to invent engines for it's military plane even after so many decades of trying? If Indian space missions are real, why are Indian programmers/coders so notoriously incompetent? Why is India harassed by a tiny country of Pakistan? Please don't cite Western awards and other significant 'recognition' of Indian science & technology. West has it's own agenda and their hyped certificates often don't indicate real merit.

The question is why do Indians do it? Why would Indians fabricate a facade about their science & technology prowess? I can think of two answers: One, to deter nuclear attacks by creating a camouflage of great strength. Two, to make money by siphoning R&D funds. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

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[Alphacharlie]

Thank you for Inviting me in this Thread @Bharat Muslim

The above comment is absolutely correct we cannt even dare to question the intellect and anatomy of History.
All Indians Technology has been Given by Papa USA and Muma Russia

We have lost all 5 Wars Till Date
We have a Nation imploding with Terrorism
We Go around Globe with a Begging Bowl

We are a Nation of Banana Eaters --- Now this will make them Happy

 

[Nanga Tarzan]

Thank you for Inviting me in this Thread @Bharat Muslim

The above comment is absolutely correct we cannt even dare to question the intellect and anatomy of History.
All Indians Technology has been Given by Papa USA and Muma Russia

We have lost all 5 Wars Till Date
We have a Nation imploding with Terrorism
We Go around Globe with a Begging Bowl

We are a Nation Banana Eaters,

Hey... You forgot to add that our country runs on cow urine.

 

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@Bharat Muslim Thank you for Inviting me in this Thread

I like the comment @Alphacharlie
@Nanga Tarzan

But as far as my Knowledge (i never read any special Book it's just how i lived my 31 Years Life)

first and for most reason is our religion

Believing is acceptable but Only believing and dependent on the same in all situation is wrong, that is what we have done in last centuries, so it's our payback time.

Ex, Astrology

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Losing interest in Indus civilization

Many Indians are interested in Indus civilization because they associate their country's science & engineering talent with this civilization. They think their country is making strides in science & technology because of the heritage of Indus civilization.

But if the same Indians come to know of the dark truth about India's science & technology, the interest in Indus civilization would fizzle out instantly. Many of India's successes and failures are hidden in mystery and things actually may not be as they appear. When I pondered over the real technological capability of India, I instantly felt like giving the Indus valley civilization discussion a complete miss. In light of these revelations, even if Indus civilization indeed belongs to India, I wouldn't give two hoots.

There are strong reasons to believe that India's civilian space programs and military R&D projects may be non-indigenous or even fake. Indian technology doesn't seem to be about innovation/ingenuity. It is probably about purchasing and managing. The list of misleading red herrings is long. For instance, if India's Mars and Lunar missions are real, why is it unable to invent engines for it's military plane even after so many decades of trying? If Indian space missions are real, why are Indian programmers/coders so notoriously incompetent? Why is India harassed by a tiny country of Pakistan? Please don't cite Western awards and other significant 'recognition' of Indian science & technology. West has it's own agenda and their hyped certificates often don't indicate real merit.

The question is why do Indians do it? Why would Indians fabricate a facade about their science & technology prowess? I can think of two answers: One, to deter nuclear attacks by creating a camouflage of great strength. Two, to make money by siphoning R&D funds. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

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[Bharat Muslim]

Losing interest in Indus civilization

Many Indians are interested in Indus civilization because they associate their country's science & engineering talent with this civilization. They think their country is making strides in science & technology because of the heritage of Indus civilization.

But if the same Indians come to know of the dark truth about India's science & technology, the interest in Indus civilization would fizzle out instantly. Many of India's successes and failures are hidden in mystery and things actually may not be as they appear. When I pondered over the real technological capability of India, I instantly felt like giving the Indus valley civilization discussion a complete miss. In light of these revelations, even if Indus civilization indeed belongs to India, I wouldn't give two hoots.

There are strong reasons to believe that India's civilian space programs and military R&D projects may be non-indigenous or even fake. Indian technology doesn't seem to be about innovation/ingenuity. It is probably about purchasing and managing. The list of misleading red herrings is long. For instance, if India's Mars and Lunar missions are real, why is it unable to invent engines for it's military plane even after so many decades of trying? If Indian space missions are real, why are Indian programmers/coders so notoriously incompetent? Why is India harassed by a tiny country of Pakistan? Please don't cite Western awards and other significant 'recognition' of Indian science & technology. West has it's own agenda and their hyped certificates often don't indicate real merit.

The question is why do Indians do it? Why would Indians fabricate a facade about their science & technology prowess? I can think of two answers: One, to deter nuclear attacks by creating a camouflage of great strength. Two, to make money by siphoning R&D funds. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

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Thanks for inviting me to the thread but I would largely disagree with you on some of your assumptions.
1. Indians' interest in Indus Valley civilization is mainly for its historical value. The civilization discontinued and what we have today is continuation of Aryan invasion and settlement and mixing up with Dravidians. Its a matter of pride for everyone in the sub continent that such a great civilization existed here.
2. When the Europe was inventing new machines, India was under a colonial regime catering to whimsical demands of white masters like growing indigos while the country suffered from famines. So your claim that India is boasting about technological strides linked with technological supremacy during Indus Valley Time is a forced statement.

I think Indians take more pride in being the inventor of Zero, development of medical sciences like Ayurved. India batters love to mention the delay in fighter aircraft project and raise doubts about its prowess in space technology, but not to forget that India holds the record of sending Mars Mission in first attempt and sending over 100 satellites in a single launch and that India did not buy or steal nuclear technology for its nuclear weapons. India has never threatened anyone with nuke attack unlike Pakistan and North Korea which keep issuing nuclear threats on periodical basis.

I wonder what makes you doubt about India's mars and lunar missions which no one in the world has doubted except some Pakistani TV anchors wishfully asking their guests about its veracity only to be put back in place. Also what makes you think that success in one project is a guarantee for success in another project. If you score 100% in physics does not mean you should score 100% in all other subjects. No nation, company or person has succeeded in 100% of their endeavors. Tendulkar is considered most successful batsman but he also has got out on duck several times. You are also succumbing to propaganda about the Indian programmers / coders whereas Indians are considered the leaders in IT.

Why is India harrassed by a tiny Pakistan? well Pakistan is bigger that UK in area and bigger than Russia in population, so its not a tiny country. And if you think its harrassing India then you should also know the so called bully by your standard was cut to size in 1971 and subsequently its economic growth throttled to the extent that after leading India for several decades in per capita income, it now lags behind India. Cuba also harassed USA and now North Korea is harassing it. So much for tiny nations harassing bigger ones.

And sorry to say that your last para seems to be scripted by a Pakistani. Just see how the sentences have been structured. At the end I would say that all your assumptions are wrong to begin with and perhaps you have gone thru some Pakistani propaganda materials to come out with such a misplaced article.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

IVC is not directly related to Indian science and technology accomplishments. There is always a shadow regarding Nuclear weapons and delivery systems. There is no need to give proof to anyone reg any delivery system or weapons as no one provides their own. IVC is just an civilisation advanced in its time. That is and cannot be related to present technological advances.

The OP never said that IVC is directly related to 'India's' current technology. What he meant to say is that he thought he was earlier interested in IVC because he thought India's talent is due to antiquity of it's civilization but now since the alleged talent itself is questionable, there is no question of the link between IVC and any talent.

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