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Indian Army held the post till dawn untill the IAF arrived, after then there was no need for Army to be there as pakistani outfit was on retreat, If Army had run away what the hell was your tanks doing fumbling around in the dark at night.....
Too many questions, which is why it is difficult to understand this battle:
What the devil was going on?
- Did Chandpuri's detachment stand its ground?
- When did the casualties occur? Did they occur at the spot or elsewhere?
- If they failed to hold their ground, where did they go? Did they 'scatter', as one post has it? Did they make their way to another spot? If so, where?
- While the Indian detachment was holding its ground, or scattering, or retreating in good order to another location, what on earth was the Pakistani force doing?
- Why did the Pakistani force make such poor speed through the night?
- Was it stalled at one spot, with or without resistance from the Indian Army, for several hours? For what reason?
- Why, in that day and age, did relatively slow jets with rockets inflict such damage on an armoured column? What defences did the column have against tactics and weapons which were nearly thirty years older?
Atma Singh was AOP, and saw what happened after dawn. Where was he before, and how much of what was going on did he get to learn then? Was there anyone at field rank beyond Chandpuri who was aware of events, was there any meaningful inter-Services coordination, or was it simply a case of the IAF getting battlefield input, recognising a threat and a target, and responding with clinical efficiency?
Questions, questions....
On a different note, I utterly fail to get the drift of some posts, which imply that Indian accounts are mendacious. What is that about?
The glorification of the Army by the film 'Border'? Anybody who figures out that films aren't exactly historically accurate has obviously not seen many war films before.
Was it about the Indian Army not saying, as Atma Singh did, that Longewala was an Air Force victory, and the Army had little to do with it? I believe most of the Army knows that it was an Air Force victory, if the causes of victory can ever be partitioned like that, and that it boils down to admiration for a hugely outnumbered force that faced off their opponents for some time.
Whether it was for an hour or five hours, the resistance was gallant. If there was a subsequent retreat, that was surely a prudent thing to do, in military and not in cinematic terms. Atma Singh has been saying what he says now for years, decades; I have eye-witness accounts of a conference where he stood up and started reciting his account, and General Rodrigues asked him to sit down. Note that he was a Major at the time of that battle, and retired as a Major General. Not exactly a case of victimisation; if everyone didn't know already that the essence of his narration was factual, would he have got successive promotions past the filter points at Colonel and Brigadier? Very few people make it to three star ranks. That he did not make it simply means that there were better people than he, not that he had stepped on anyone's toes, and suffered as a consequence.
it would be something if india was the main cause of it lol.If that is the case what will you call the recent happening in pakistan . Much more than 20,000 dead .
it would be something if india was the main cause of it lol.
And we hear every single day from pakistanis .... RAW behind BLA , RAW behind TTP ..... lol .
And we hear every single day from pakistanis .... RAW behind BLA , RAW behind TTP ….. lol .
i think we pakistan sure have india at its place for being out numbered almost 10 to 1This thread is pointless. Because Pakistan got soundly trounced in 1971, and they were split in two, which was an eventuality anyway, because the Bangladeshis got sick of being pushed around.
The posters can talk about longewala all they like, but the wheels of history have turned and the ink has dried in the books.
I am sorry the martial punjabis git beaten by baniya yindoos, but that's how it is.
If Pakistanis were stronger than us, would they leave us alone? Doubt it, they have transgressed again and again.
raw behind bla no doubt about that.
but i think bigger players are behind ttp.
a pathetic country like india can't achieve something like that on its own.
raw behind bla no doubt about that.
but i think bigger players are behind ttp.
a pathetic country like india can't achieve something like that on its own.
yet the people in this state live better then indians.asses have been kicked and feelings have been hurt
What do you expect from a failed nation?
yet the people in this state live better then indians.
are more happier then indians
have higher iq then indians
less disease then indians
look better then indians
and have bigger dicks the indians
Thats why you live in USA. Those pakistani dicks proved too large for you.
Indian weapons are not as good as European and US hardware but surely better enough to tackle Pakistan.. In-fact more than that..You can list which of Indian weapon is better? Rest is a proven fact, i do not need to prove any thing.
Again, you are welcome to bring forth, comparative examples.
Please don't compere Pakistan with India, India is surely a great nation, pakistan is in the list of failed state, no one ready to Play cricket in Pakistan because of security reasons.. please don't compere..i live in america because its a better country. i wasn't comparing america to pakistan. i was comparing sad ole india to pakistan.
Ya India won.. that's it..we know we lost that war due to lack of PAF support, it was logistically impossible.
now its all history who cares