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I am more of a silent akhand bharat supporter :P
but sir, this separatist attitude, this can be taken care of if the newer generation is given guv. supported education. This will dilute the wahabi fanaticism in the population and will easily create a rift b/w the new gen and the old gen in less than a decade

GoI has a lot of scheme for them.including free education until our syllabus.But they didnt have any problem when they shouted for Pak team.in a university in UP.Fact is their set up is like that.Due to our efforts there is already some progress in ground.
 
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GoI has a lot of scheme for them.including free education until our syllabus.But they didnt have any problem when they shouted for Pak team.in a university in UP.Fact is their set up is like that.Due to our efforts there is already some progress in ground.
Decisive efforts which affect the psychology can help like from a very tender age the children of minority section can be taught in an environment where there are more non muslim children and teachers, funded by army and then sending those children out in non-muslim developed regions like gujarat with fixed n high pay to totaly eradicate this separatist streak from their mind and replace it with something like money . Their parents can be given financial support for sendin their children to schools like these. A silent brainwash and exile
 
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Decisive efforts which affect the psychology can help like from a very tender age the children of minority section can be taught in an environment where there are more non muslim children and teachers, funded by army and then sending those children out in non-muslim developed regions like gujarat with fixed n high pay to totaly eradicate this separatist streak from their mind and replace it with something like money . Their parents can be given financial support for sendin their children to schools like these. A silent brainwash and exile

And their parents can waste all those efforts one year of the reducation by parents themselves.And I dont know about possibility oof such an idea in this transperant open air democratic country.
 
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As with much in the Pakistan-India relationship, even the welcome news is often accompanied by bad news. On Friday, the Indian government announced that Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar will be dispatched to Saarc countries, with the focus inevitably being on speculation that the foreign secretary-level talks cancelled by India last August are now back on track.

Then, yesterday, another round of violence along the Line of Control resulted in the death of a Pakistani sexagenarian in firing by Indian border forces.

The up-and-down nature of mere expectations that India and Pakistan will begin to approach the idea of talks again indicates just how far from the path to normalization the two countries have strayed.

As ever, there are two sides to the story. In the current Nawaz Sharif-Narendra Modi era, a great deal of responsibility for the impasse must be borne by the Indian side.

Seemingly determined to take a tough, almost belligerent, line with Pakistan, the Modi government appears to have been in denial of a basic reality of the Pak-India relationship — as frustrating as it is for both sides to deal with each other, deal with each other they must.

The decision to call off talks last August was a particularly petulant one, given that the Pakistan high commissioner to India, Abdul Basit, did nothing unusual — in fact, it was fairly routine — in meeting the leadership of the Hurriyat Conference.

Moreover, the simmering tensions along the Line of Control and Working Boundary for much of the last year can be largely explained by the Indian government adopting an explicitly disproportionate approach in responding to any trouble in the area.

Even now, the imminent visit of Mr Jaishankar is being cast by the Indian government as a so-called Saarc yatra — indicating that India is not keen on doing anything more than the bare minimum. If it is true that US President Barack Obama nudged Prime Minister Modi to reach out to Pakistan, it seems Mr Modi is sending a message that he is neither very keen on it nor very hopeful.

For all the problems on the Indian side, however, there is another basic reality too: Pakistan has simply not done enough to engage India on the matters that are of concern to it.

Two big issues stand out: failure to get anywhere near a closure on the Mumbai-related trials here and shelving the Non-Discriminatory Market Access deal with the previous Congress government. Surely, for all of India’s sullenness and petulance, it is Pakistan’s inability to approach the Pak-India equation in a cooperative manner that is undermining the prospects of a return to dialogue.

India has legitimate security concerns regarding Pakistan, as does Pakistan with India, but it is unreasonable on the part of the Pakistani state to not even do the basic things that could help pave the way for a meaningful resumption of dialogue.

Long way to peace - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

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I seriously don't see any immediate thawing of Indo-Pak relations. The reasons 're many and I'm not even sure if India's stance would be of any help (because if we continue snubbing Pak's demands then we would 've to face more international pressure, sooner or later).
Unless Pakistan doesn't get a good leadership, I don't think we would hit a permanent solution to any of our issues.

BTW I did not get any notification despite being tagged. :(
 
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It should also be held in Hyderabad city, in Lucknow's Muslim areas, Old Delhi, parts of North Kerala, - in short anywhere that is currently having a Mohammedan majority.

The areas you mentioned are not disputed, at the time of partition the banya were in majority and that sealed the deal. Kashmir is a disputed territory. You don't have to be a genius to know the difference.

It is the case. Would you agree for a referendum in any part of Pakistan?
We agree to plebiscite in Azad Kashmir which is part of the disputed J&K state.
 
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The areas you mentioned are not disputed, at the time of partition the banya were in majority and that sealed the deal. Kashmir is a disputed territory. You don't have to be a genius to know the difference.


We agree to plebiscite in Azad Kashmir which is part of the disputed J&K state.

According to India, Azad Kashmir and GB belongs to India, so what is great in conducting a plebiscite there. Would you agree for a plebiscite in real part of Pakistan?
 
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According to India, Azad Kashmir and GB belongs to India, so what is great in conducting a plebiscite there. Would you agree for a plebiscite in real part of Pakistan?
No problem mate but i can guarantee you that AJK and GB will vote for Pakistan.

I am saying this cuz i am from Mirpur AJK
 
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No problem mate but i can guarantee you that AJK and GB will vote for Pakistan.

I am saying this cuz i am from Mirpur AJK

I hope you recognize that Pakistan doesn't consider Kashmir as its integral part, while India consider Kashmir to be its integral part. There in lies the difference on how India and Pakistan go about thinking on a solution to this problem. I think India will never conduct a referendum in Jammu and Kashmir.
 
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I hope you recognize that Pakistan doesn't consider Kashmir as its integral part, while India consider Kashmir to be its integral part. There in lies the difference on how India and Pakistan go about thinking on a solution to this problem. I think India will never conduct a referendum in Jammu and Kashmir.
Yeah constitutional status of FATA,AJK and GB is a bit messed up but that does not mean we want to rebel against Pakistan and if a referendum is held 99% of people in GB and AJK will vote for Pakistan
Oh just a side note Kashmiries make up 9% of Pakistan army:pakistan:
 
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It should also be held in Hyderabad city, in Lucknow's Muslim areas, Old Delhi, parts of North Kerala, - in short anywhere that is currently having a Mohammedan majority.

How did you forgot MUMBRA.....
 
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Yeah constitutional status of FATA,AJK and GB is a bit messed up but that does not mean we want to rebel against Pakistan and if a referendum is held 99% of people in GB and AJK will vote for Pakistan
Oh just a side note Kashmiries make up 9% of Pakistan army:pakistan:

This is one of the reason why referendum should not be held. If 9% of Pakistan army are from Azad Kashmir, Pak army can influence significantly in Azad Kashmir to suit its purpose.
 
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The areas you mentioned are not disputed, at the time of partition the banya were in majority and that sealed the deal. Kashmir is a disputed territory.
Who is disputing it?

And you don't consider Kashmir as disputed. You call the entire Jammu and Kashmir disputed. But you are among the few states to call it so. Most countries refer to it with the neutral - Indian held and Pakistani held etc povs. But then you don't recognize Israel either. What a royal f they give to all the states that have withheld that recognition. :D

So why do you think we should care about what you think? The relationship bw India and Pakistan is one of strength and weakness. If Pakistan even ceases to exist, India will create one artificially to protect itself from the Wild Wild West. But if India becomes weak, Pakistan will (and have tried) to Gibralter or Grand Slam us. You can afford to go weak. We can't.

Also another note to ponder upon - The Glorious Kafirocide/Intifada in Kashmir started only in 1989 - after Madam Bhutto gave the call for 'jihad to liberate Kashmir'. We know how it works. This is not the 8th century.

This is one of the reason why referendum should not be held. If 9% of Pakistan army are from Azad Kashmir, Pak army can influence significantly in Azad Kashmir to suit its purpose.
There is no question of any referendum. Let me write it down - if you ask this question - 'India or Pakistan' in any Muslim majority area in India (yes, I wrote any) - the majority WILL opt for Pakistan. Don't believe me? Go out in a fez cap and without a camera and ask genuine honest questions in Moslem districts ANYWHERE in India - you will get your answer.

Exceptions will be there - but the vast majority will opt for Pakistan. Just like they did in 1947.

How did you forgot MUMBRA.....
It is not an exception. An individual Muslim on a personal level may be perfectly happy with India, but in a group and given a chance - he/she will have a special longing for a land of Muslims. This won't apply to everyone - obviously. But enough to constitute a majority. Case in point the growth and popularity of the Islamist Parties in India in these specific pockets.
 
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longway to peace or no way to peace.
the idea of referendum .. do you guys think islamic political parties that shine their politics by blamming india, israel or usa in pakistan will agree to it ?
the level of hatred that politicians spread to citizens over.. i dont think majority of pakistan will support referendum.
 
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