Lone Indian IDF soldier sees his family after 3 years

[19887]

The myth is that Prophet Ibrahim (AS) is a Jew when he was a Semite (real one unlike you) from Southern Iraq.

True, this is a myth, Abraham was not a Jew.
The person who is considered the first of the people of Israel is Jacob (Israel)
Abraham was apparently an Indian, his family emigrated 4,000 years ago in the wave of migration from the Indus valley to Mesopotamia, Abraham himself was probably born in today southern Iraq.
Later he emigrated with his family to the kingdom of Mithani, where they held a cult of Indian gods, and he went against the cult of idols.
But this is according to historical theory
According to the Bible, Abraham is the ninth generation of descendants of Shem.

Similarly the actual Hebrews are from Hijaz/Arabia/Southern Levant as all other Semites are originally.

According to both the Bible and history, the people of Israel were created in Canaan.
There are semitic peoples in the north Levant, as well as in Africa.

In fact you adopted the religion, culture and language of the Canaanites who were originally from neighboring Hijaz as well as were the Nabateans. Basically you are copying ancient Semitic culture from modern-day Arabia and Iraq.

The Canaanite religion was pagan, we have a religion of our own. Our whole story is based on opposition to the Canaanite religion.
We developed our own culture, because we opposed the culture of the rest of the world.
There was a proto-Canaanite language, from which the Phoenician, Hebrew, and Aramaic languages developed.
All the peoples of Canaan came to Canaan from the north, namely Syria, Lebanon, and Turkey of our time,are you trying to arabize them too??? hhhh.
The Nabateans were not Canaanites, they arrived long after Canaan ceased to exist.
Basically,we have unique characteristics that distinguish us from the rest of the world, that's our story.
Those who copied the religions of others, it's you the Arabs.

Anyway the only genuine Jews are the Samaritans (sadly a dying minority) and the Arab Jews and Middle Eastern Jews. Rest are imposters as confirmed by DNA.

The Samaritans are not Jewish and never were
They are "kutim" and were brought by Assyria to the northern kingdom of Israel. Out of faith in the God of the place and out of fear of attacks by lions and bears, they adopted the God of Israel.

All Jews from all the Diaspora and from every country have a distinct genetic connection, and this includes Ashkenazim and Mizrahim. Moreover, they all have clear Levantine genes.

Shlomo Sand is an anti-Semitic Jew, a radical leftist, anarchist and a globalist. He devoted his life to do everything against the Jews. As part of this, he invented a theory(unfounded) that says there is no such thing as Jews.

Even one of your most famous Kings (King Herod the Great) was a half Arab (Nabatean). And his father was not even a Hebrew/Israelite either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great

Herod's mother was a Nabatean, so what? It was at a time when Judaism was not determined by the mother.
All the Edomites converted during the Hasmonean period, so his father was a Jew.

In fact the situation was such pathetic that you needed Arab Jews to revive actual Hebrew language as no other Jews were able to speak Hebrew on a daily basis. Hence Jiddish etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival_of_the_Hebrew_language

Again, there is no such thing as an Arab Jew,An Arab is an Arab, a Jew is a Jew.
Eliezer Ben Yehuda was Ashkenazi.
This is what happens in exile
There are Arabs in Europe who don't know Arabic, and you compare thousands of years of exile.

Ashkenazis to this day speak with a slightly non-Semitic accent when speaking Hebrew compared to so-called Mizrahi Jews.

Everyone who came to Israel speaks with the accent of the place he comes from, the Sabras all speak the same accent.
And if not, then what's the problem here??

We Arabs don't claim any ancestry from Jews but from our own ancient Semitic ancestors who were not even from modern-day Israel.

what?

Ashkenazi Jews are not actual Jews/Hebrews/Israelites or Semites. Arabs Jews and Middle Eastern Jews are indeed our brethren.

Jews are Jews, your fantasies are not the ones who will determine who is a Jew, the Ashkenazim also have Levantine genes and common genes with the rest of the Jews.
The Jews who lived in the Arab countries are not your brothers
Stop trying to Arabize the Jews as an imperialist!!

Prophet Ibrahim (as) was not a Jew but a Semite from modern-day Southern Iraq (close to the borders of modern-day KSA and Iraq). He migrated to Southern Levant and afterwards to neighboring Hijaz. His prodigy later spread to much of the Arab world and Middle East and later to Europe as per Arab, Jewish and other sources. For instance when Prophet Muhammad (saws) was described by non-Arabs and non-Muslims (for instance by Jews or Christians) he is called or referred to as the Son of Prophet Ibrahim (as).

Abraham emigrated to the kingdom of Mithani in northern Syria, from there to Canaan, from there to Egypt, and from there to Canaan, where he died and was buried. The hijaz is not connected at all.
His prodigy passed only to Isaac, Ishmael left him and went away and worshiped idols,And there are no other people who adopted Abraham's words or passed them on as folk tales.
Those who spread Abraham's stories in the Arab world and throughout the world in general are the Jews. Before us, no Arab knew who Abraham was.

This is why the paternal lineage of Sadah families and Cohen is the same.

This is because their imam is an Iraqi who was apparently a descendant of a Jewish priesthood,which converted to Islam, and then moved to Yemen and founded the family.

Jews have a tendency to claim everything. Holocaust, as horrible as that was (nothing to do with Arabs), is used as a excuse for them to exploit others and to get their will. Blackmailing in other words.

This is why they have been demonizing Arabs, not only Palestinians but obviously mostly them for obvious reasons, since they were created.

The Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, asked Hitler not to deport the Jews from Germany to the Land of Israel as Hitler initially wanted (before the Final Solution). He asked Hitler to set up extermination camps in the Middle East to exterminate the Jews who lived there.
Other Arab leaders also asked for this.
Arabs enlisted in the Nazi army.
It's true that there are those who shout about everything "Holocaust holocaust"
But they are not all of the Jews and not the majority, and they have no bad intentions.
Jews didn't demonized arabs in the past, only after the arabs tried to kill us, we just said the truth.

This guy is a good example of this. He claimed to not have a problem with Arabs but when the heat was turned up he revealed his truth face.

"He claimed to not have a problem with Arabs" hhh Al-Andalus, you are exposing yourself.
I really have no problem with Arabs or Muslims, my problem is with people who try to kill me, deprive me of my identity, or liars

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I could tell. Don't blame you, man.

I've never met Habesha ones here though. None seem to be around where I live. Mostly Palestinians. Are the Habesha just the name for all of those with mixed Afro-Arab ancestry or those mixed with certain groups from Ethiopia and Somalia?

I think that there is a quite significant Habesha community in the UK. I remember eating at a Habesha restaurant once in London.

They are mostly from Sudan, Horn of Africa and Swahili coastline (Oman). BTW many are also from Western Africa (Hausa). In the case of Hijaz, many African pilgrims ended up staying as did pilgrims from all across the world. Including Pakistani, Iranian etc. So Hijaz is probably one of the most diverse regions in the Muslim world when you really think about it.

One of our former mayors in Jeddah surname was Farsi.

http://www.themsff.org/dr-farsi

There are also skyscraper named Abraj al-Farsi in Jeddah.

Also towers called Farsi Seven are also being built:





@Mountain Jew I did not read your post yet but I will try to return to that point some time latter. Now a pause. Enough of writing and discussion. Although I have to say that I could not stop taking a quick look at your post and I have to say that you continue the unproven and undocumented historical nonsense.

 

[Pakistani E]

I think that there is a quite significant Habesha community in the UK. I remember eating at a Habesha restaurant once in London.

They are mostly from Sudan, Horn of Africa and Swahili coastline (Oman). BTW many are also from Western Africa (Hausa). In the case of Hijaz, many African pilgrims ended up staying as did pilgrims from all across the world. Including Pakistani, Iranian etc. So Hijaz is probably one of the most diverse regions in the Muslim world when you really think about it.

One of our former mayors in Jeddah surname was Farsi.

http://www.themsff.org/dr-farsi

There are also skyscraper named Abraj al-Farsi in Jeddah.

Also towers called Farsi Seven are also being built:





@Mountain Jew I did not read your post yet but I will try to return to that point some time latter. Now a pause. Enough of writing and discussion. Although I have to say that I could not stop taking a quick look at your post and I have to say that you continue the unproven and undocumented historical nonsense.

Wait so would Somalians count as Habesha? If yes, then never mind. I know many many Habeshas. But they don't identify as that though, which is confusing.

And you are right, especially in Mecca, there are a lot of people from what is now Pakistan (amongst other places) who settled there a century or two ago.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Wait so would Somalians count as Habesha? If yes, then never mind. I know many many Habeshas. But they don't identify as that though, which is confusing.

And you are right, especially in Mecca, there are a lot of people from what is now Pakistan (amongst other places) who settled there a century or two ago.

No, bro. Somalians is a nationality. Most people in that nationality are made up by Somali people (the main ethnicity) who speak the Somali language and all its dialects. Arabs and other peoples of Somalia are minorities.

Habesha people is actually the Arab word for Abyssinian people. I am sure that you have heard about this word from history. Prophet Muhammad (saws) and members of his family and certain Sahabah migrated to modern-day Ethiopia, back then known as Abyssinia. I am sure that you know this history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyssinian_people

Afro-Arabs on the other hand are not an ethnicity but a group of people with diverse origins. Some are as I wrote from Western Africa, others from the Sahel, others from Sudan, others from Horn of Africa, others from Eastern Africa (Swahili) others are Bantu people originally and some are mixed with Arabs.

In Hijaz a local dance is influenced by those African arrivals.

It is called Hijazi Mizmar:





It is a nice rhythmic dance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizmar_(dance)

 

[19887]

Not truly a myth:

“The closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups were the Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze in addition to the Southern Europeans, including Cypriots,” as Ostrer and Skorecki wrote in a review of their findings that they co-authored in the journal Human Genetics in October 2012.


Ostrer’s team also identified two major groups of Jews: Middle Eastern Jews (Iranian and Iraqi) and European/Syrian Jews. The split between these two groups of Jews occurred some 2,500 years ago.


Both groups of Jews shared ancestry with contemporary Middle Eastern and Southern European populations. The closest genetic relatives of the Middle Eastern Jews are Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians.


http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385

@Saif al-Arab Also you are right, this Indian guy is about as Semetic in origin as I am . From the same study:

"Ethiopian and Indian Jews are more closely related to their own neighboring, host populations."

There are many studies, each raising another or similar claim
Some Indians like the Menashe are those who converted at some point
I believe that the Ethiopians converted at some point, but not sure

Let's just accept your position for argument's sake, big whoop asshole. No one cares that you're Jewish, you are just a drop in the ocean of semitic peoples in the region. We never read/hear about the ancient semitic people of the Middle East in any history curriculum in the US, even though they have much more significant history and attachment to the region and 'Holy Land' area. For most Americans they probably think Middle East was inhabited by Jews/Hebrews only and no nothing about Assyrians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Samaritans, Hamites, etc....

Quit behaving like everyone owes you something or you should be given more legitimacy than others.

I don't care about legitimization and all your other nonsense
I arrive as soon as I see lies that touch me, don't lie, I will not come

Yes, you are. I just proved it.

The chance of that person having any remote (which it would be in every case) Hebrew/Israelite/Semitic ancestry is as likely as all the 20 million or so Muslim South Asians who claim to be Sayyids (descendants of Prophet Muhammad (saws). Sure some of them are (most likely a minority) but far from the majority.

Do you even know how surnames work? Historically only people that valued genetics and ancestry highly and put a lot of focus on it (such as Arabs and to a lesser degree Mongols) have long and well-established linages. Let alone surnames. For instance in the Muslim world alone most people in countries like Turkey and Iran (alone) first adopted surnames in the past 100 years. In the case of Turkey a law some 83 years ago Turkified their surnames to make matters even more difficult.

In Iran surnames were introduced in 1919.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_name#Surnames

Turkish surname law in 1934:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surname_Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid-al-Din_Hamadani
​

I know how it works in Israel. If your claim that you great-great-grandmother was a Jew (even if there is little prof to establish this - you can always use the Holocaust as an excuse for lack of documents) you will be able to settle in Israel. A lot of Eastern Europeans have used this to settle in Israel and escape poverty in the former USSR and Eastern Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

Let me try again. It has been proven time and time again (since the firs time such genetic tests were conducted) that Jews from the Arab world (Jewish Arabs) whether from Yemen or Morocco have no genetic difference from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren. Nor do they look differently. Do you understand it now? Or shall I repeat myself 10 times more?

That Jews are all related is no sign of anything as all humans are related. You are not going to convince any knowledgeable let alone sane people of some Yemeni Jew having close genetic ties to an Latvian Jew or an Indian Jew having close genetic ties to an Ethiopian Jew. Yet in your universe they are all Jews and in the universe of the Israeli state.

Mizrahi and Ashkenazi are recently invented terms by Israel. That's a fact. Jews from Yemen considered themselves as YEMENIS. Sons and daughters of the land. So did Iraqi Jews and all others.

Yes, there was at one point in time a ancient Israeli kingdom however it would not surprise me the least if modern-day Arabs, as they are more Semitic than modern-day Jews, would have a closer genetic connection. Just like King Herod the Great (an ancient Israeli king) would have a closer genetic connection to a ordinary Hijazi next door seeing that his mother was an Nabatean (Arab) princes and his father a Edomite (Semitic people) from what is today Jordan (Arabia) and the Negev Desert (homeland of the so-called "Israeli" Bedouins!).

It is generally accepted that Herod was born around 73 BCE in Idumea, south of Judea.[10][not in citation given]. However, some authors think that he was born in about 72/71 BCE.[11] He was the second son of Antipater the Idumaean, a high-ranking official under ethnarch Hyrcanus II, and Cypros, a Nabatean. Herod's father was by descent an Edomite whose ancestors had converted to Judaism. Herod was raised as a Jew.[12][13][14][15][16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great

I am talking about Ashkenazi and non-Arab Jews (Jews not originally from Arab lands) and non-Israeli Arabs (another name for Palestinians who stayed in modern-day Israel - you could not expel all of them after all and thankfully nor will this ever happen) who claim Arab cuisine, art, music etc. as "Jewish" and "Israeli". Also while demonizing Arabs all the time while writing historical lies like you have done in this debate.

We know how your show works. You are working 24/7 to demonize Palestinians and trying to do the same with all Arabs. Your Jewish influenced Hollywood has institutionalized this demonization. Recently a hero of the Arab-American community and a brave man and intellectual died and he used to make life a hell for your fraudsters that tried to demonize an nation this great and home to so many people and this ancient history (the oldest in the world) and great culture. Won't be allowed and we will fight that institutionalized propaganda.



LOL. An Indian of all people is lecturing people from the region (Arabs and Semites) about religions that originated in our lands and where first followed by our people. What is next, are you going to teach me Arabic while you are at it?

BTW you are describing tiny communities who indeed have nothing to do with India other than migrating there. BTW most of those following the Syrian rite in Kerala/India are actually local converts.

Anyway the depth of this discussion is not something that you are able to understand.



Good to see you back here brother. Hopefully everything is well. We should not be wasting our times with this lot but sometimes you have to make a comment when you see this degree of nonsense.

I love you, God bless you for helping me reveal the truth through you
I ask you not to stop the argument, and don't be afraid to attack me, I enjoy it
And now for my responses...

The chance of that person having any remote (which it would be in every case) Hebrew/Israelite/Semitic ancestry is as likely as all the 20 million or so Muslim South Asians who claim to be Sayyids (descendants of Prophet Muhammad (saws). Sure some of them are (most likely a minority) but far from the majority.

I understand what you're talking about, but it does not apply to this man's case
This man is from a family of Jewish merchants from the Babylonian exile who immigrated to India
There are Jewish communities in India who are actually local converts, like the Bnei Menashe.

Do you even know how surnames work? Historically only people that valued genetics and ancestry highly and put a lot of focus on it (such as Arabs and to a lesser degree Mongols) have long and well-established linages. Let alone surnames. For instance in the Muslim world alone most people in countries like Turkey and Iran (alone) first adopted surnames in the past 100 years. In the case of Turkey a law some 83 years ago Turkified their surnames to make matters even more difficult.

In Iran surnames were introduced in 1919.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_name#Surnames

Turkish surname law in 1934:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surname_Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid-al-Din_Hamadani
​

I know very well, because of that I tell you that the "Palestinians" are not ancient natives, they have surnames that reveal their origin.

I know how it works in Israel. If your claim that you great-great-grandmother was a Jew (even if there is little prof to establish this - you can always use the Holocaust as an excuse for lack of documents) you will be able to settle in Israel. A lot of Eastern Europeans have used this to settle in Israel and escape poverty in the former USSR and Eastern Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

You went far
If you have a Jewish grandmother then you can immigrate to Israel, but you are not considered a Jew.
It is true that there are many people from Russia who are not Jewish according to Jewish law and immigrated to Israel(Around 300,000 people).

Let me try again. It has been proven time and time again (since the firs time such genetic tests were conducted) that Jews from the Arab world (Jewish Arabs) whether from Yemen or Morocco have no genetic difference from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren. Nor do they look differently. Do you understand it now? Or shall I repeat myself 10 times more?

That Jews are all related is no sign of anything as all humans are related. You are not going to convince any knowledgeable let alone sane people of some Yemeni Jew having close genetic ties to an Latvian Jew or an Indian Jew having close genetic ties to an Ethiopian Jew. Yet in your universe they are all Jews and in the universe of the Israeli state.

It is clear that there will be a genetic link between people sitting in the same place
People marry local people, there are locals who convert, there is rape.
And yet all Jews have a Levantine mutation that distinguishes only the Jews, the Jewish genetic basis goes back to the Kingdom of Israel.

Mizrahi and Ashkenazi are recently invented terms by Israel. That's a fact. Jews from Yemen considered themselves as YEMENIS. Sons and daughters of the land. So did Iraqi Jews and all others.
Yes, there was at one point in time a ancient Israeli kingdom however it would not surprise me the least if modern-day Arabs, as they are more Semitic than modern-day Jews, would have a closer genetic connection. Just like King Herod the Great (an ancient Israeli king) would have a closer genetic connection to a ordinary Hijazi next door seeing that his mother was an Nabatean (Arab) princes and his father a Edomite (Semitic people) from what is today Jordan (Arabia) and the Negev Desert (homeland of the so-called "Israeli" Bedouins!).
It is generally accepted that Herod was born around 73 BCE in Idumea, south of Judea.[10][not in citation given]. However, some authors think that he was born in about 72/71 BCE.[11] He was the second son of Antipater the Idumaean, a high-ranking official under ethnarch Hyrcanus II, and Cypros, a Nabatean. Herod's father was by descent an Edomite whose ancestors had converted to Judaism. Herod was raised as a Jew.[12][13][14][15][16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great
I am talking about Ashkenazi and non-Arab Jews (Jews not originally from Arab lands) and non-Israeli Arabs (another name for Palestinians who stayed in modern-day Israel - you could not expel all of them after all and thankfully nor will this ever happen) who claim Arab cuisine, art, music etc. as "Jewish" and "Israeli". Also while demonizing Arabs all the time while writing historical lies like you have done in this debate.
We know how your show works. You are working 24/7 to demonize Palestinians and trying to do the same with all Arabs. Your Jewish influenced Hollywood has institutionalized this demonization. Recently a hero of the Arab-American community and a brave man and intellectual died and he used to make life a hell for your fraudsters that tried to demonize an nation this great and home to so many people and this ancient history (the oldest in the world) and great culture. Won't be allowed and we will fight that institutionalized propaganda.

Herod is not connected, stop pushing him in your argument
Ashkenazim and Sephardim This is a term expounded by rabbis in exile in order to describe a different type of prayer and different customs. The State of Israel adopted this years later
Again, Israel did not try to expel the Arabs, because of that Israel is suffering now.
Zionism clearly states that the Jews come to live with the Arabs.
No one claims that falafel and hummus is Jewish.
I write only the truth, I do not care who will be the right side, if necessary, I go against Israel and you know it
The Jews in America see themselves first of all as Americans
Second, most of them love Arabs, it's just that American culture does not know you,
Too bad you have an amazing history, their loss.

Dear, this is because most Israeli Jews are from the Arab world so this basically confirms what I have been saying all the time.

Most of the Jews in Israel are not Mizrahim
Stop lying

 

[Saif al-Arab]

True, this is a myth, Abraham was not a Jew.
The person who is considered the first of the people of Israel is Jacob (Israel)
Abraham was apparently an Indian, his family emigrated 4,000 years ago in the wave of migration from the Indus valley to Mesopotamia, Abraham himself was probably born in today southern Iraq.
Later he emigrated with his family to the kingdom of Mithani, where they held a cult of Indian gods, and he went against the cult of idols.
But this is according to historical theory
According to the Bible, Abraham is the ninth generation of descendants of Shem.


According to both the Bible and history, the people of Israel were created in Canaan.
There are semitic peoples in the north Levant, as well as in Africa.


The Canaanite religion was pagan, we have a religion of our own. Our whole story is based on opposition to the Canaanite religion.
We developed our own culture, because we opposed the culture of the rest of the world.
There was a proto-Canaanite language, from which the Phoenician, Hebrew, and Aramaic languages developed.
All the peoples of Canaan came to Canaan from the north, namely Syria, Lebanon, and Turkey of our time,are you trying to arabize them too??? hhhh.
The Nabateans were not Canaanites, they arrived long after Canaan ceased to exist.
Basically,we have unique characteristics that distinguish us from the rest of the world, that's our story.
Those who copied the religions of others, it's you the Arabs.


The Samaritans are not Jewish and never were
They are "kutim" and were brought by Assyria to the northern kingdom of Israel. Out of faith in the God of the place and out of fear of attacks by lions and bears, they adopted the God of Israel.

All Jews from all the Diaspora and from every country have a distinct genetic connection, and this includes Ashkenazim and Mizrahim. Moreover, they all have clear Levantine genes.


Shlomo Sand is an anti-Semitic Jew, a radical leftist, anarchist and a globalist. He devoted his life to do everything against the Jews. As part of this, he invented a theory(unfounded) that says there is no such thing as Jews.


Herod's mother was a Nabatean, so what? It was at a time when Judaism was not determined by the mother.
All the Edomites converted during the Hasmonean period, so his father was a Jew.


Again, there is no such thing as an Arab Jew,An Arab is an Arab, a Jew is a Jew.
Eliezer Ben Yehuda was Ashkenazi.
This is what happens in exile
There are Arabs in Europe who don't know Arabic, and you compare thousands of years of exile.


Everyone who came to Israel speaks with the accent of the place he comes from, the Sabras all speak the same accent.
And if not, then what's the problem here??


what?


Jews are Jews, your fantasies are not the ones who will determine who is a Jew, the Ashkenazim also have Levantine genes and common genes with the rest of the Jews.
The Jews who lived in the Arab countries are not your brothers
Stop trying to Arabize the Jews as an imperialist!!


Abraham emigrated to the kingdom of Mithani in northern Syria, from there to Canaan, from there to Egypt, and from there to Canaan, where he died and was buried. The hijaz is not connected at all.
His prodigy passed only to Isaac, Ishmael left him and went away and worshiped idols,And there are no other people who adopted Abraham's words or passed them on as folk tales.
Those who spread Abraham's stories in the Arab world and throughout the world in general are the Jews. Before us, no Arab knew who Abraham was.


This is because their imam is an Iraqi who was apparently a descendant of a Jewish priesthood,which converted to Islam, and then moved to Yemen and founded the family.


The Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, asked Hitler not to deport the Jews from Germany to the Land of Israel as Hitler initially wanted (before the Final Solution). He asked Hitler to set up extermination camps in the Middle East to exterminate the Jews who lived there.
Other Arab leaders also asked for this.
Arabs enlisted in the Nazi army.
It's true that there are those who shout about everything "Holocaust holocaust"
But they are not all of the Jews and not the majority, and they have no bad intentions.
Jews didn't demonized arabs in the past, only after the arabs tried to kill us, we just said the truth.

"He claimed to not have a problem with Arabs" hhh Al-Andalus, you are exposing yourself.
I really have no problem with Arabs or Muslims, my problem is with people who try to kill me, deprive me of my identity, or liars

Nonsense.

Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was from Southern Iraq (next to the borders of modern-day KSA and Iraq) and his name is a Semitic name.

No, he migrated from Southern Iraq to Southern Levant and from there Sinai and ultimately neighboring Hijaz.

Yes, and Semitic people originate in Arabia originally.

Every pre-Abrahamic Semitic religion was pagan. Judaism derives and was influenced from previous Semitic religions that were followed by our ancestors.

Ancestrally, Samaritans claim descent from the tribe of Ephraim and tribe of Manasseh (two sons of Joseph) as well as from the Levites,[1] who have links to ancient Samaria (now constituting the majority of the territory known as the West Bank) from the period of their entry into Canaan, while some suggest that it was from the beginning of the Babylonian captivity up to the Samaritan polity under the rule of Baba Rabba. Samaritans used to include descendants who ascribed to the Benjamin tribe, but this line became extinct in the 1960s.[4] According to Samaritan tradition, the split between them and the Judean-led Southern Israelites began during the time of the priest Eli when the Southern Israelites split off from the central Israelite tradition, as they perceive it.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans

Funnily enough the Samaritans not only look like neighboring Arabs but are also genetically related to them.

You are using recently invented names. There is nothing called Mizrahim. I will try again for the 100th time.

It has been proven time and time again (since the firs time such genetic tests were conducted) that Jews from the Arab world (Jewish Arabs) whether from Yemen or Morocco have no genetic difference from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren. Nor do they look differently. Do you understand it now? Or shall I repeat myself 10 times more?

It proves what I wrote that even one of the most famous ancient Jewish kings (Kind Herod the Great) was half Arab (Nabatean - people originally from Hijaz) and half Edomite (Semitic people originally from modern-day Jordan (Arabia) and the Negev.

Ashkenazi Jews have limited ancestral ties to the Levant and Middle East. You cannot claim them to have similar kinship as Jews from the actual region.

 

[jewishm]

There are many studies, each raising another or similar claim
Some Indians like the Menashe are those who converted at some point
I believe that the Ethiopians converted at some point, but not sure


I don't care about legitimization and all your other nonsense
I arrive as soon as I see lies that touch me, don't lie, I will not come




I love you, God bless you for helping me reveal the truth through you
I ask you not to stop the argument, and don't be afraid to attack me, I enjoy it
And now for my responses...


I understand what you're talking about, but it does not apply to this man's case
This man is from a family of Jewish merchants from the Babylonian exile who immigrated to India
There are Jewish communities in India who are actually local converts, like the Bnei Menashe.


I know very well, because of that I tell you that the "Palestinians" are not ancient natives, they have surnames that reveal their origin.


You went far
If you have a Jewish grandmother then you can immigrate to Israel, but you are not considered a Jew.
It is true that there are many people from Russia who are not Jewish according to Jewish law and immigrated to Israel(Around 300,000 people).

It is clear that there will be a genetic link between people sitting in the same place
People marry local people, there are locals who convert, there is rape.
And yet all Jews have a Levantine mutation that distinguishes only the Jews, the Jewish genetic basis goes back to the Kingdom of Israel.


Herod is not connected, stop pushing him in your argument
Ashkenazim and Sephardim This is a term expounded by rabbis in exile in order to describe a different type of prayer and different customs. The State of Israel adopted this years later
Again, Israel did not try to expel the Arabs, because of that Israel is suffering now.
Zionism clearly states that the Jews come to live with the Arabs.
No one claims that falafel and hummus is Jewish.
I write only the truth, I do not care who will be the right side, if necessary, I go against Israel and you know it
The Jews in America see themselves first of all as Americans
Second, most of them love Arabs, it's just that American culture does not know you,
Too bad you have an amazing history, their loss.


Most of the Jews in Israel are not Mizrahim
Stop lying

55% of the jews in israel are mizrahi jews.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I understand what you're talking about, but it does not apply to this man's case
This man is from a family of Jewish merchants from the Babylonian exile who immigrated to India
There are Jewish communities in India who are actually local converts, like the Bnei Menashe.


I know very well, because of that I tell you that the "Palestinians" are not ancient natives, they have surnames that reveal their origin.


You went far
If you have a Jewish grandmother then you can immigrate to Israel, but you are not considered a Jew.
It is true that there are many people from Russia who are not Jewish according to Jewish law and immigrated to Israel(Around 300,000 people).

It is clear that there will be a genetic link between people sitting in the same place
People marry local people, there are locals who convert, there is rape.
And yet all Jews have a Levantine mutation that distinguishes only the Jews, the Jewish genetic basis goes back to the Kingdom of Israel.


Herod is not connected, stop pushing him in your argument
Ashkenazim and Sephardim This is a term expounded by rabbis in exile in order to describe a different type of prayer and different customs. The State of Israel adopted this years later
Again, Israel did not try to expel the Arabs, because of that Israel is suffering now.
Zionism clearly states that the Jews come to live with the Arabs.
No one claims that falafel and hummus is Jewish.
I write only the truth, I do not care who will be the right side, if necessary, I go against Israel and you know it
The Jews in America see themselves first of all as Americans
Second, most of them love Arabs, it's just that American culture does not know you,
Too bad you have an amazing history, their loss.


Most of the Jews in Israel are not Mizrahim
Stop lying

Yes, and according to similar legends there are 20 million Hashemites in South Asia alone.

They are more ancient than your likes which has been confirmed ages ago on every front and surnames, once again, are not an indication of ancestry. In KSA some people (local Arabs) are named Al-Hindi because they used to trade with South Asia. If one would not have known that one could easily be lead to believe that they are originally from South Asia. However there are some named Al-Hindu who are originally from South Asia indeed. But far from anyone named Al-Hindi.

So if I am right what are you commenting on?

You see this is the problem with Jews and Judaism. A non-Jew can convert and afterwards his descendants will be known as Jews. In Islam a Muslim does not mean an Arab and a person converting to Islam does not suddenly become an Arab ethnically.

No, if that was the case Ethiopian, Indian, Eastern European and Jews from the Arab world would have the same ancestry but they have not.

You are inventing nonsense again. Yes, Jews did not try to expel local Palestinians, this is why modern-day Israel is home to millions of people not from the region while millions of Palestinians were forced to leave Jaffa (Tel Aviv) etc. You become more and more desperate. Thank you for exposing yourself again.

Well, statistics would disagree with you as would Israeli users such as @500 who himself has stated the same, namely that most Israelis' are Mizrahi Jews or partially Mizrahi.

55% of the jews in israel are mizrahi jews.

Here was another one. Also a fellow Israeli. I guess that I am wrong as is the official data of the Israeli government that states that 20,8% of the Israeli population is Palestinian Arab, which you claimed was 12-14% or what it was.

I provided a source but you ignored it:

http://www.cbs.gov.il/publications/isr_in_n10e.pdf

Anyway I am not sure what we are discussing anymore. You have your own hilarious unfounded theories that are not based on history or genetics so let us leave it at that.

However I know that this will bother you but I will post this FACT again:

It has been proven time and time again (since the firs time such genetic tests were conducted) that Jews from the Arab world (Jewish Arabs) whether from Yemen or Morocco have no genetic difference from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren. Nor do they look differently. Do you understand it now? Or shall I repeat myself 10 times more?

BTW there are Jews originally from modern-day KSA (Southern KSA) in Israel that are considered as Yemeni Jews (Jews from Southern Arabia were considered that) and you are not going to tell me that they are different from their Muslim or Atheist brethren which is not the case on any front other than religion and them having used Hebrew as a liturgic language for their religious services.

 

[19887]

Nonsense.
Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was from Southern Iraq (next to the borders of modern-day KSA and Iraq) and his name is a Semitic name.
No, he migrated from Southern Iraq to Southern Levant and from there Sinai and ultimately neighboring Hijaz.

Abraham migrated from Ur of the Chaldeans in southern Iraq to Charan in northern Syria, from there to Canaan, from there to Egypt, via the international route in northern Sinai, and then returned on the same route to Canaan.
Why are you pushing your hijaz everywhere? There is no Hijaz here!

Yes, and Semitic people originate in Arabia originally.

Absolutely not true

Every pre-Abrahamic Semitic religion was pagan. Judaism derives and was influenced from previous Semitic religions that were followed by our ancestors.

"Every pre-Abrahamic Semitic religion was pagan" - true
Judaism invented and removed itself from the pagan religions, but until the process of monotheism took hold, Judaism had several Pagan motifs, such as the copper snake that Hezekiah king of Judah shelved because people began to believe that he had powers.
There is no connection between Canaanites and Arabs
Stop pushing the Arabs everywhere.

Ancestrally, Samaritans claim descent from the tribe of Ephraim and tribe of Manasseh (two sons of Joseph) as well as from the Levites,[1] who have links to ancient Samaria (now constituting the majority of the territory known as the West Bank) from the period of their entry into Canaan, while some suggest that it was from the beginning of the Babylonian captivity up to the Samaritan polity under the rule of Baba Rabba. Samaritans used to include descendants who ascribed to the Benjamin tribe, but this line became extinct in the 1960s.[4] According to Samaritan tradition, the split between them and the Judean-led Southern Israelites began during the time of the priest Eli when the Southern Israelites split off from the central Israelite tradition, as they perceive it.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans
Funnily enough the Samaritans not only look like neighboring Arabs but are also genetically related to them.

The Samaritans arrived only after the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed
There is no such thing as the tribe of Joseph
There was no split because they were never part of the people of Israel
They look like Arabs because they are originally from Iraq
And also because they were raped by Arabs
And also because they assimilated with Arabs
I understand that you are trying to use whatever you can to support your legends,
But you are a sinner for truth, that's why I keep responding to you all the time.

You are using recently invented names. There is nothing called Mizrahim.

Mizrahim are clearly an invented concept
This term comes to describe all the Jews who were in exile in North Africa, Arabia, Levant, Mesopotamia and Persia.

I will try again for the 100th time.
It has been proven time and time again (since the firs time such genetic tests were conducted) that Jews from the Arab world (Jewish Arabs) whether from Yemen or Morocco have no genetic difference from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren. Nor do they look differently. Do you understand it now? Or shall I repeat myself 10 times more?

I'll tell you again,
It is clear that Jews living in the Arab countries will have a percentage of local genes
Because of assimilation, rape, conversion
But still, they are Jews, their genetic origin is like that of the rest of the Jews and they are the children of Israel, they are not Arabs

I'm not sure if your agenda is imperialism or Pan Arabism
Or you are looking for a way to "confirm" Israel and the Jews, because Israel is the enemy but Saudi Arabia and Israel have common interests.
Your solution is probably to Arabize Israel and the Jews (at least some of them) and so you think you have found the solution to the problem that you need to explain to yourself and others, how you "approve" the devil? Very simple, they're Arabs!

55% of the jews in israel are mizrahi jews.

Definately not

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Abraham migrated from Ur of the Chaldeans in southern Iraq to Charan in northern Syria, from there to Canaan, from there to Egypt, via the international route in northern Sinai, and then returned on the same route to Canaan.
Why are you pushing your hijaz everywhere? There is no Hijaz here!


Absolutely not true


"Every pre-Abrahamic Semitic religion was pagan" - true
Judaism invented and removed itself from the pagan religions, but until the process of monotheism took hold, Judaism had several Pagan motifs, such as the copper snake that Hezekiah king of Judah shelved because people began to believe that he had powers.
There is no connection between Canaanites and Arabs
Stop pushing the Arabs everywhere.


The Samaritans arrived only after the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed
There is no such thing as the tribe of Joseph
There was no split because they were never part of the people of Israel
They look like Arabs because they are originally from Iraq
And also because they were raped by Arabs
And also because they assimilated with Arabs
I understand that you are trying to use whatever you can to support your legends,
But you are a sinner for truth, that's why I keep responding to you all the time.


Mizrahim are clearly an invented concept
This term comes to describe all the Jews who were in exile in North Africa, Arabia, Levant, Mesopotamia and Persia.


I'll tell you again,
It is clear that Jews living in the Arab countries will have a percentage of local genes
Because of assimilation, rape, conversion
But still, they are Jews, their genetic origin is like that of the rest of the Jews and they are the children of Israel, they are not Arabs

I'm not sure if your agenda is imperialism or Pan Arabism
Or you are looking for a way to "confirm" Israel and the Jews, because Israel is the enemy but Saudi Arabia and Israel have common interests.
Your solution is probably to Arabize Israel and the Jews (at least some of them) and so you think you have found the solution to the problem that you need to explain to yourself and others, how you "approve" the devil? Very simple, they're Arabs!


Definately not

Yes, there is according to Arab and Islamic traditions and archeological evidence and ancient folklore.

Absolutely true as confirmed by most linguists, scholars and historians. In fact the first humans that inhabited the Middle East came from Arabia originally which is one of the earliest inhabited places by humans. Second only to Ethiopia/Horn of Africa/East Africa. In the entire world!



The Arabian peninsula has long been accepted as the original Urheimat of the Semitic languages by a majority of scholars.[34][35][36][37]

1. Gray, Louis Herbert (2006) Introduction to Semitic Comparative Linguistics
2. Jump up ^ Courtenay, James John (2009) The Language of Palestine and Adjacent Regions
3. Jump up ^ Kienast, Burkhart. (2001). Historische semitische Sprachwissenschaft.
4. Jump up ^ Bromiley, Geoffrey W. (1995) The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia

Yes there is. Canaanites migrated from neighboring Arabia.

Ancient pre-Abrhamic (themselves Semitic) religions had elements of monotheism. I suggest studying ancient Arabian mythology.

That is what most historians say about the Samaritans and what they claim themselves. Sure, everyone was raped and invaded by Arabs.

No percentage. Their entire genes are not any different from local Muslim, Christian and Atheist Arabs. I think I need to tell you this 1 million times before you understand it.

You just admitted that non-Jews can convert to Judaism fairly easily. Most Jews converted that way. And most of the converts did NOT descend from a few long extinct Israelites/Hebrews. Romans killed most of them let alone Babylonians.

No, I am simply saying that Arab Jews are our people on every front. The only difference is religion. Genetics confirm this, physical appearance, language, history etc.

I understand when you have created the United States of America 70 years in the middle of the Arab world where you have invited people from all corners of the world who claim to be "Jewish", you want to claim that they are all the same and identical. You want to do everything in your power to claim that a Yemenite Jew is a total alien from his Yemeni Muslim brethren. I understand.

Funnily enough a lot of Israel Jews call themselves Arab Jews (collectively) despite all the brainwashing and demonization of Arabs.

In post-Zionism
The term Arab Jews has become part of the language of post-Zionism.[8] The term was introduced by Ella Shohat.[9] Ella Shohat argues Zionist historiography could not accept a hyphenated Arab-Jewish identity and embarked on a program to remove the Arabness and Orientalness of the Jews from the Arab world after they arrived in Israel. To insure homogeneity Zionist focused on religious commonality and a romanticized past.[10] She argues that the use of the term Mizrahim is in some sense a Zionist achievement in that it created a single unitary identity separated from the Islamic world. Which replaced older multifaceted identities each linked to the Islamic world, including but not limited to identifying as Arab Jews.[2] She argues that when Sephardi express hostility towards Arabs it is often due to self-hatred.[11] Another argument that Shohat makes is that Israel is already demographically an Arab country.[9]

Yehouda Shenhav’s works are also considered to be among the seminal works of post-Zionism.[8][12] Shenhav, an Israeli sociologist, traced the origins of the conceptualization of the Mizrahi Jews as Arab Jews. He interprets Zionism as an ideological practice with three simultaneous and symbiotic categories: "Nationality", "Religion" and "Ethnicity". In order to be included in the national collective they had to be "de-Arabized". According to Shenhav, Religion distinguished between Arabs and Arab Jews, thus marking nationality among the Arab Jews.[13]

David Rabeeya argues that while the Zionist movement succeed in creating a Jewish state it did irreparable harm to Arab Jews and Palestinians.[14]: 23–26 He argues that Israel has already entered a post-Zionist era in which the influence of Zionist Ashkenazim has declined. With many Jews of European origin choosing to leave the country as Israel becomes less Western.[14]: 113–114 He also self-identified as an Arab Jew, extends that identification back even further, noting the long history of Arab Jews in the Arab world that remained in place after the dawn of Islam in the 7th century until midway through the 20th century.[14]: 49–50 He writes that Arab Jews, like Arab Muslimsand Arab Christians, were culturally Arab with religious commitments to Judaism.[14]: 49–50 He notes that Arab Jews named their progeny with Arabic names and "Like every Arab, Arab Jews were proud of their Arabic language and its dialects, and held a deep emotional attachment to its beauty and richness."[14]: 49–50

David Tal argues that Shohat and her students faced great resistance from Mizrahim with few choosing to identify as Arab Jews. He argues that Shohat in a sense tried to impose an identity in the same way in which she criticized the Ashkenazi for doing.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Jews

Anyway otherwise all of them consider themselves Yemeni Jews, Iraqi Jews, Moroccan Jews, Syrian Jews etc. Arabs that happen to believe in Judaism just like there were large Jewish communities (locals) in Hijaz at the time of Prophet Muhammad (saws).

If I started to follow some ancient several millennia old pre-Abrahamic Semitic religion (Semitic religions are the oldest known collective religions described in history) tonight I am not more of an "ancient Semite" than some Iraqi or Yemeni adopting that similar religion early tomorrow morning.

Followers of Judaism = not necessarily descendants of ancient and long extinct Hebrew and Israelite tribes. (vast majority are not)

Similarly Muslims = not necessarily ethnic Arabs. In fact 66% of all Muslims are not Arabs.

 

[19887]

They are more ancient than your likes which has been confirmed ages ago on every front and surnames, once again, are not an indication of ancestry. In KSA some people (local Arabs) are named Al-Hindi because they used to trade with South Asia. If one would not have known that one could easily be lead to believe that they are originally from South Asia. However there are some named Al-Hindu who are originally from South Asia indeed. But far from anyone named Al-Hindi.

They are not ancient, 99% of them immigrated to Israel in the 19th and 20th centuries.

You see this is the problem with Jews and Judaism. A non-Jew can convert and afterwards his descendants will be known as Jews. In Islam a Muslim does not mean an Arab and a person converting to Islam does not suddenly become an Arab ethnically.

Your description is correct, but where is the problem?

You are inventing nonsense again. Yes, Jews did not try to expel local Palestinians, this is why modern-day Israel is home to millions of people not from the region while millions of Palestinians were forced to leave Jaffa (Tel Aviv) etc. You become more and more desperate. Thank you for exposing yourself again.

Ha ha ha ha ha
Millions of Palestinians in Jaffa ??
The Arabs in Jaffa attacked the Jews during the War of Independence, the Jews attacked back and the Arabs simply fled.

Well, statistics would disagree with you as would Israeli users such as @500 who himself has stated the same, namely that most Israelis' are Mizrahi Jews or partially Mizrahi.

I know the statistics
About 50% Ashkenazim
About 40% Sephardim / Mizrahim.
I know the statistics
About 50% Ashkenazim
About 40% Sephardim / Mizrahim
There are only a few hundred thousand that are mixed, it does not change the statistics too much.

I guess that I am wrong as is the official data of the Israeli government that states that 20,8% of the Israeli population is Palestinian Arab, which you claimed was 12-14% or what it was.
I provided a source but you ignored it:
http://www.cbs.gov.il/publications/isr_in_n10e.pdf

I claimed that about 20% are Arabs
But only 14-15% identify as "Palestinians"
You probably chose not to see what I wrote.

Anyway I am not sure what we are discussing anymore. You have your own hilarious unfounded theories that are not based on history or genetics so let us leave it at that.

I have no theories, I don't care about theories
I care about the truth, and because you write the wrong things, you're wrong and misleading, and here I come in and write the truth.
I'm not trying to convince you, you will not be convinced by an Israeli Jewish guy who will talk to you on the forum, I'm worried that the truth will be written and I'm using you to implement It.
That's why we're debating.

Yes, and according to similar legends there are 20 million Hashemites in South Asia alone.

They are more ancient than your likes which has been confirmed ages ago on every front and surnames, once again, are not an indication of ancestry. In KSA some people (local Arabs) are named Al-Hindi because they used to trade with South Asia. If one would not have known that one could easily be lead to believe that they are originally from South Asia. However there are some named Al-Hindu who are originally from South Asia indeed. But far from anyone named Al-Hindi.

So if I am right what are you commenting on?

You see this is the problem with Jews and Judaism. A non-Jew can convert and afterwards his descendants will be known as Jews. In Islam a Muslim does not mean an Arab and a person converting to Islam does not suddenly become an Arab ethnically.

No, if that was the case Ethiopian, Indian, Eastern European and Jews from the Arab world would have the same ancestry but they have not.

You are inventing nonsense again. Yes, Jews did not try to expel local Palestinians, this is why modern-day Israel is home to millions of people not from the region while millions of Palestinians were forced to leave Jaffa (Tel Aviv) etc. You become more and more desperate. Thank you for exposing yourself again.

Well, statistics would disagree with you as would Israeli users such as @500 who himself has stated the same, namely that most Israelis' are Mizrahi Jews or partially Mizrahi.



Here was another one. Also a fellow Israeli. I guess that I am wrong as is the official data of the Israeli government that states that 20,8% of the Israeli population is Palestinian Arab, which you claimed was 12-14% or what it was.

I provided a source but you ignored it:

http://www.cbs.gov.il/publications/isr_in_n10e.pdf

Anyway I am not sure what we are discussing anymore. You have your own hilarious unfounded theories that are not based on history or genetics so let us leave it at that.

However I know that this will bother you but I will post this FACT again:

It has been proven time and time again (since the firs time such genetic tests were conducted) that Jews from the Arab world (Jewish Arabs) whether from Yemen or Morocco have no genetic difference from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren. Nor do they look differently. Do you understand it now? Or shall I repeat myself 10 times more?

BTW there are Jews originally from modern-day KSA (Southern KSA) in Israel that are considered as Yemeni Jews (Jews from Southern Arabia were considered that) and you are not going to tell me that they are different from their Muslim or Atheist brethren which is not the case on any front other than religion and them having used Hebrew as a liturgic language for their religious services.

I answered this in a different response.




***Please respond in an orderly fashion so I can answer everything you wrote

 

[Saif al-Arab]

They are not ancient, 99% of them immigrated to Israel in the 19th and 20th centuries.

Your description is correct, but where is the problem?


Ha ha ha ha ha
Millions of Palestinians in Jaffa ??
The Arabs in Jaffa attacked the Jews during the War of Independence, the Jews attacked back and the Arabs simply fled.


I know the statistics
About 50% Ashkenazim
About 40% Sephardim / Mizrahim.
I know the statistics
About 50% Ashkenazim
About 40% Sephardim / Mizrahim
There are only a few hundred thousand that are mixed, it does not change the statistics too much.

I claimed that about 20% are Arabs
But only 14-15% identify as "Palestinians"
You probably chose not to see what I wrote.


I have no theories, I don't care about theories
I care about the truth, and because you write the wrong things, you're wrong and misleading, and here I come in and write the truth.
I'm not trying to convince you, you will not be convinced by an Israeli Jewish guy who will talk to you on the forum, I'm worried that the truth will be written and I'm using you to implement It.
That's why we're debating.


I answered this in a different response.




***Please respond in an orderly fashion so I can answer everything you wrote

100% of them in fact.

The problem is that this obviously contradicts your absurd claim of trying to link yourself with long extinct Hebrew and Israelite tribes that were close to extinction and reduced to very low numbers just during the Roman period let alone the Babylonian era. After the Roman period a HELL lot of events have occurred diminishing that number completely. In fact vanishing that community. However not the religion or the language. Different thing.

Millions across Israel. Jaffa was used as an example of a majority Arab city that is now majority Israeli. Sure, sure.

So-called Mizrahi (of which almost all are Arab Jews) are the majority of the Israeli Jews. Every statistic confirms this and even your compatriots here state it openly. Not sure what you are trying to do here.

Does not matter what they identify as. I know 1-2 young Hijazis who claim to be Nabateans on Twitter, lol. I know that you consider "Bedouins" as an alien people compared to the Palestinian Arabs that they are a part of and consider themselves a part of and live next to.

Obviously this is part of the agenda.

Just like your agenda of trying to alienate Arabs that happen to believe in Judaism from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren despite being identical people as confirmed by history, birth place, DNA, language, physical appearance etc.

You remind me of those "American nationalist" (yes on the American census there is something called American which mostly the oldest English-Americans in the South consider themselves as) who are trying to claim that they jumped down from the Moon in the US and that they have nothing to do with the UK despite their ancestors being from the UK.

20 million Americans consider themselves as that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ancestry

No, they are not the native "Indians" (the supposedly red ones) but actually descendants of European settlers from the British Isles who have now cut all connection to their ancestral lands other than language which some of them probably also call American rather than English!

Remember what I said about Israel being the USA of the Middle East?

Well, that's because it is very similar. You can deny this but this is how most people look at it.

 

[19887]

Yes, there is according to Arab and Islamic traditions and archeological evidence and ancient folklore.

Absolutely true as confirmed by most linguists, scholars and historians. In fact the first humans that inhabited the Middle East came from Arabia originally which is one of the earliest inhabited places by humans. Second only to Ethiopia/Horn of Africa/East Africa. In the entire world!



The Arabian peninsula has long been accepted as the original Urheimat of the Semitic languages by a majority of scholars.[34][35][36][37]

1. Gray, Louis Herbert (2006) Introduction to Semitic Comparative Linguistics
2. Jump up ^ Courtenay, James John (2009) The Language of Palestine and Adjacent Regions
3. Jump up ^ Kienast, Burkhart. (2001). Historische semitische Sprachwissenschaft.
4. Jump up ^ Bromiley, Geoffrey W. (1995) The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia

We are not talking about the origin of man
We are talking about the origin of the Semitic peoples
All the Semitic peoples are Caucasian.

Yes there is. Canaanites migrated from neighboring Arabia.

The Canaanites migrated to Canaan from the north, they have no connection to the Arabian Peninsula
The Jebusites, for example, are the tribe of Hittite (Anatolia) who emigrated to Canaan and settled in Jerusalem.

Ancient pre-Abrhamic (themselves Semitic) religions had elements of monotheism. I suggest studying ancient Arabian mythology.

If yes, then what? How does that relate?

That is what most historians say about the Samaritans and what they claim themselves. Sure, everyone was raped and invaded by Arabs.

Some historians are not the majority
The Samaritans were brought from Mesopotamia by Assyria.
"Sure, everyone was raped and invaded by Arabs." - This was a norm in the world in the old days.

No percentage. Their entire genes are not any different from local Muslim, Christian and Atheist Arabs. I think I need to tell you this 1 million times before you understand it.

Of course their genes are different
You're the one who does not get it

You just admitted that non-Jews can convert to Judaism fairly easily. Most Jews converted that way. And most of the converts did NOT descend from a few long extinct Israelites/Hebrews. Romans killed most of them let alone Babylonians.

You can not convert easily, where did you see that I admitted it?
"Most Jews converted that way" - The opposite.
"And most of the converts did NOT descend from a few long extinct Israelites/Hebrews" - Non of the converts.
The Romans and Babylonians killed a lot but not the majority.

No, I am simply saying that Arab Jews are our people on every front. The only difference is religion. Genetics confirm this, physical appearance, language, history etc.

Again you try to take ownership of the Jews
The difference is also genetic, but that's not what matters
The difference is that they belong to another people, to another identity.

I understand when you have created the United States of America 70 years in the middle of the Arab world where you have invited people from all corners of the world who claim to be "Jewish", you want to claim that they are all the same and identical. You want to do everything in your power to claim that a Yemenite Jew is a total alien from his Yemeni Muslim brethren. I understand.

A Jew is a Jew
Whoever claims to be Jewish, but it is not true, then he is not Jewish despite what he claims
Yes, all Jews have the same identity, Jews,"Am Israel".
"Yemenite Jew is a total alien from his Yemeni Muslim" - He is not entirely a stranger, but he is not a brother or the same.

Funnily enough a lot of Israel Jews call themselves Arab Jews (collectively) despite all the brainwashing and demonization of Arabs.

Not many, and those who do, those adults and old people who are not aware of the meaning.
The only ones who demonize the Arabs are the Arabs themselves.

Y
In post-Zionism
The term Arab Jews has become part of the language of post-Zionism.[8] The term was introduced by Ella Shohat.[9] Ella Shohat argues Zionist historiography could not accept a hyphenated Arab-Jewish identity and embarked on a program to remove the Arabness and Orientalness of the Jews from the Arab world after they arrived in Israel. To insure homogeneity Zionist focused on religious commonality and a romanticized past.[10] She argues that the use of the term Mizrahim is in some sense a Zionist achievement in that it created a single unitary identity separated from the Islamic world. Which replaced older multifaceted identities each linked to the Islamic world, including but not limited to identifying as Arab Jews.[2] She argues that when Sephardi express hostility towards Arabs it is often due to self-hatred.[11] Another argument that Shohat makes is that Israel is already demographically an Arab country.[9]

Yehouda Shenhav’s works are also considered to be among the seminal works of post-Zionism.[8][12] Shenhav, an Israeli sociologist, traced the origins of the conceptualization of the Mizrahi Jews as Arab Jews. He interprets Zionism as an ideological practice with three simultaneous and symbiotic categories: "Nationality", "Religion" and "Ethnicity". In order to be included in the national collective they had to be "de-Arabized". According to Shenhav, Religion distinguished between Arabs and Arab Jews, thus marking nationality among the Arab Jews.[13]

David Rabeeya argues that while the Zionist movement succeed in creating a Jewish state it did irreparable harm to Arab Jews and Palestinians.[14]: 23–26 He argues that Israel has already entered a post-Zionist era in which the influence of Zionist Ashkenazim has declined. With many Jews of European origin choosing to leave the country as Israel becomes less Western.[14]: 113–114 He also self-identified as an Arab Jew, extends that identification back even further, noting the long history of Arab Jews in the Arab world that remained in place after the dawn of Islam in the 7th century until midway through the 20th century.[14]: 49–50 He writes that Arab Jews, like Arab Muslimsand Arab Christians, were culturally Arab with religious commitments to Judaism.[14]: 49–50 He notes that Arab Jews named their progeny with Arabic names and "Like every Arab, Arab Jews were proud of their Arabic language and its dialects, and held a deep emotional attachment to its beauty and richness."[14]: 49–50
David Tal argues that Shohat and her students faced great resistance from Mizrahim with few choosing to identify as Arab Jews. He argues that Shohat in a sense tried to impose an identity in the same way in which she criticized the Ashkenazi for doing.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Jews

You brought me radical leftists and anti-Zionists again
It is only the opinion of some anti-Semitic Jews, who see themselves as global, citizens of the world and the State of Israel interferes with their worldview, so they come out against it.
Those who favored the Arabs were the Ashkenazim, and those who did not like the Arabs were the Mizrahim, because they suffered from the Arabs.
The situation to this day remains this way.

***Do not bother to respond to me, "Arabs and Jews have lived in peace for thousands of years"
The whole world knows that this is not true. I understand that this is a common myth in the Arab world, so you can tell this to your Arab friends.

Anyway otherwise all of them consider themselves Yemeni Jews, Iraqi Jews, Moroccan Jews, Syrian Jews etc. Arabs that happen to believe in Judaism just like there were large Jewish communities (locals) in Hijaz at the time of Prophet Muhammad (saws).

In Israel, which we are all Jews, but we all came from other countries, we identify among us as "Moroccans," "Yemenites," "Caucasians,
We don't mean that we are like the locals where we lived, we mean that this is where we were in exile.
But you just do not get it
Again you think that if you read a little Wikipedia and some opinions of Jewish anarchists then you are an expert on Jews and Israel, I have news for you, you don't!
"there were large Jewish communities (locals) in Hijaz at the time of Prophet Muhammad (saws)." - Until he killed them all.

If I started to follow some ancient several millennia old pre-Abrahamic Semitic religion (Semitic religions are the oldest known collective religions described in history) tonight I am not more of an "ancient Semite" than some Iraqi or Yemeni adopting that similar religion early tomorrow morning.

I really do not care how you recognize yourself, it's your private matter.

Followers of Judaism = not necessarily descendants of ancient and long extinct Hebrew and Israelite tribes. (vast majority are not)

There is a group of people called Am Yisrael
This group has been held continuously for more than 3000 years
The same group can enter foreigners (provided they meet the conditions)
And from that group people can also leave and be no longer part of the group
The entrance ticket and exit ticket is religion
Although this group is not a distinct ethnic group
It runs like an ethnic group
Which means there is no racial purity here
But still, even those who are not genetically connected to the group's ancestors, mingle within the group and their offspring are genetically related to the fathers
However, this group has never examined who belongs and who is not according to genetics and according to physical characteristics(Except for priests)
It is a group led by consciousness and spirit
Then the vast majority is a descendent of the first Israelites

Similarly Muslims = not necessarily ethnic Arabs. In fact 66% of all Muslims are not Arabs.

There is no connection between Muslims and Jews in this sense
It's impossible to compare, it's completely different

 

[Saif al-Arab]

We are not talking about the origin of man
We are talking about the origin of the Semitic peoples
All the Semitic peoples are Caucasian.


The Canaanites migrated to Canaan from the north, they have no connection to the Arabian Peninsula
The Jebusites, for example, are the tribe of Hittite (Anatolia) who emigrated to Canaan and settled in Jerusalem.


If yes, then what? How does that relate?


Some historians are not the majority
The Samaritans were brought from Mesopotamia by Assyria.
"Sure, everyone was raped and invaded by Arabs." - This was a norm in the world in the old days.


Of course their genes are different
You're the one who does not get it


You can not convert easily, where did you see that I admitted it?
"Most Jews converted that way" - The opposite.
"And most of the converts did NOT descend from a few long extinct Israelites/Hebrews" - Non of the converts.
The Romans and Babylonians killed a lot but not the majority.


Again you try to take ownership of the Jews
The difference is also genetic, but that's not what matters
The difference is that they belong to another people, to another identity.


A Jew is a Jew
Whoever claims to be Jewish, but it is not true, then he is not Jewish despite what he claims
Yes, all Jews have the same identity, Jews,"Am Israel".
"Yemenite Jew is a total alien from his Yemeni Muslim" - He is not entirely a stranger, but he is not a brother or the same.


Not many, and those who do, those adults and old people who are not aware of the meaning.
The only ones who demonize the Arabs are the Arabs themselves.


You brought me radical leftists and anti-Zionists again
It is only the opinion of some anti-Semitic Jews, who see themselves as global, citizens of the world and the State of Israel interferes with their worldview, so they come out against it.
Those who favored the Arabs were the Ashkenazim, and those who did not like the Arabs were the Mizrahim, because they suffered from the Arabs.
The situation to this day remains this way.

***Do not bother to respond to me, "Arabs and Jews have lived in peace for thousands of years"
The whole world knows that this is not true. I understand that this is a common myth in the Arab world, so you can tell this to your Arab friends.

In Israel, which we are all Jews, but we all came from other countries, we identify among us as "Moroccans," "Yemenites," "Caucasians,
We don't mean that we are like the locals where we lived, we mean that this is where we were in exile.
But you just do not get it
Again you think that if you read a little Wikipedia and some opinions of Jewish anarchists then you are an expert on Jews and Israel, I have news for you, you don't!
"there were large Jewish communities (locals) in Hijaz at the time of Prophet Muhammad (saws)." - Until he killed them all.


I really do not care how you recognize yourself, it's your private matter.


There is a group of people called Am Yisrael
This group has been held continuously for more than 3000 years
The same group can enter foreigners (provided they meet the conditions)
And from that group people can also leave and be no longer part of the group
The entrance ticket and exit ticket is religion
Although this group is not a distinct ethnic group
It runs like an ethnic group
Which means there is no racial purity here
But still, even those who are not genetically connected to the group's ancestors, mingle within the group and their offspring are genetically related to the fathers
However, this group has never examined who belongs and who is not according to genetics and according to physical characteristics(Except for priests)
It is a group led by consciousness and spirit
Then the vast majority is a descendent of the first Israelites


There is no connection between Muslims and Jews in this sense
It's impossible to compare, it's completely different

Never said anything about Semitic people not being Caucasian. What are we supposed to be? Black? Mongoloids?

You are wrong. The Urheimat (homeland) of the Semitic peoples is in Arabia. I already provided you with 4-5 well-known historians and respected linguists and their scholarly works. I linked to them and gave you the references.

Canaanites like all the other long ago extinct Semitic peoples have mixed with other Semites and have been absorbed by mostly modern-day Arabs as we are by far the largest Semitic group today (500 million people). The Arab identity is what prevailed and similarly with Arabic language. Previously in our part of the world Aramaic (also a Semitic language) was the lingua franca.

Not it was not. It is very much overestimated. That is why there is not a single Arab genocide recorded in history and why Arabs never destroyed any previous ancient monuments or destroyed churches, synagogues and other places of worship expect for idol places of worship in and around Hijaz mostly. Afterwards, once when people adopted Islam, they themselves willingly turned away from non-Islam.

No, they are not. They are identical. DNA has confirmed this ages ago. Look identical too.

Easy or not with a few years of dedication you can easily convert. And voila, some ethnic Dane is now a Jew. He marries another recent Jewish convert and 100 years in the future (2-3 generations) his ancestors will claim that they are descendants of long extinct Hebrew and Israelite tribes.

No, I am saying that they are my people expect for another religion in the same religious family (Abrahmic) which everything confirms. Language, ethnicity, origin, DNA, cuisine, physical appearance etc.

Now we are discussing semantics.

Let me give you an example:

A school class of 30 children all claim to be sons and daughters of the King.

But only 3 of them (10%) are actual offspring of the King. However they all identify as the sons and daughters of the King.

However this does not matter when 27 of the 30 are not actual offspring.

Anyone can change his identity overnight. That's not what we are discussing. I am countering the main claim of Zionism and your claim which is the ethnic/ancestral claim on the land of Palestine and Israel which your likes claim to have the most kinship to when this is not the case compared to Palestinians. Hence the talk about DNA.

Sure every Israeli Jew that does not agree with your worldview is a leftist, anti-Semite (LOL) etc. despite those people being Jews themselves and considering themselves as Arab Jews proudly.

No myth. This is how it was which is why the largest Jewish community lived in the Arab world pre-1948. I don't need some Jew from Azerbaijan (some mountain village there) whose parents or grandparents visited the Arab world for the first time a few decades ago to tell me otherwise. Disputes occurred as a consequences of mass-Jewish migration to Palestine and the subsequent takeover of large areas of Palestine.

 

[19887]

100% of them in fact.
The problem is that this obviously contradicts your absurd claim of trying to link yourself with long extinct Hebrew and Israelite tribes that were close to extinction and reduced to very low numbers just during the Roman period let alone the Babylonian era. After the Roman period a HELL lot of events have occurred diminishing that number completely. In fact vanishing that community. However not the religion or the language. Different thing.

The Jews were never close to extermination
The Babylonians did not commit genocide, nor did the Assyrians
The Romans did, but there were many Jews in the Diaspora so there was no danger to the people
Even in the Land of Israel there was no danger to the Jews who continued to live to build synagogues and wrote the Talmud under the rule of Rome

I know the Arab / Muslim myth on which you are based
The Jews killed their Messiah / prophet, God cursed them and scattered them and passed the "chosen" to others
The Jews are not a people, they are not a living religion, they have no land and they have no state
They lied to you, brother

Millions across Israel. Jaffa was used as an example of a majority Arab city that is now majority Israeli. Sure, sure.

Not a million, 700 thousand
Most of them fled without being touched
The rest are some of those who remained to fight the Jews and were therefore deported

So-called Mizrahi (of which almost all are Arab Jews) are the majority of the Israeli Jews. Every statistic confirms this and even your compatriots here state it openly. Not sure what you are trying to do here.

What statistics ???
I tell you that a million Mizrahi Jews immigrated to Israel over the years
The rest are Ashkenazim, and the rest are Indians and Ethiopians
The Mizrahim are no more than 40% that is 2.5-3 million out of 6.4 / 6.8 (depending on the count).

Does not matter what they identify as. I know 1-2 young Hijazis who claim to be Nabateans on Twitter, lol. I know that you consider "Bedouins" as an alien people compared to the Palestinian Arabs that they are a part of and consider themselves a part of and live next to.

The Bedouins themselves say they don't define themselves as Palestinians, they say they are original Arabs, and they identify as Arabs and Muslims as Bedouins, and if they live in Israel then as Israelis, they don't belong to any people, nations is a European invention
^
I quoted the Bedouins
I do not care. For my part, they can consider themselves Palestinians if they want to, I will not tell them what their identity is.

Obviously this is part of the agenda.
Just like your agenda of trying to alienate Arabs that happen to believe in Judaism from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren despite being identical people as confirmed by history, birth place, DNA, language, physical appearance etc.

I'm not trying to create something, I don't care about Ashkenazi Mizrahim, for me it's a big bullshit
I only have the truth, and you make a false claim, and then I refute it, but you claim the same argument again.
The Jews are strangers in the Arab world, they were never Arabs, you speak as if they were Arabs who were always Arabs and at a certain point they decided they believed in Judaism, that's not true
They were Jews before they went into exile in the Arab countries, and they returned as Jews to Israel.
History, genetics, language only prove that you are wrong.

You remind me of those "American nationalist" (yes on the American census there is something called American which mostly the oldest English-Americans in the South consider themselves as) who are trying to claim that they jumped down from the Moon in the US and that they have nothing to do with the UK despite their ancestors being from the UK.

20 million Americans consider themselves as that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ancestry

No, they are not the native "Indians" (the supposedly red ones) but actually descendants of European settlers from the British Isles who have now cut all connection to their ancestral lands other than language which some of them probably also call American rather than English!

Remember what I said about Israel being the USA of the Middle East?

Well, that's because it is very similar. You can deny this but this is how most people look at it.

Do you know the difference between the US and Israel?

American nationalism was invented by the European settlers
We didn't have to invent Jewish nationalism because it existed for 3,000 years

The Americans maintain their nationalism on foreign soil
The Jews maintain their nationalism on their land