Saif al-Arab
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"your absurd fairytale stories. I stick to history and actual evidence (DNA)." - I'm not telling stories I report the truth, In the meantime, you deny history and science
"migrated to India from Southern Levant for some unknown and highly inexplicable reason" - If his ancestors migrated thousands of years ago the reason is Assyria/Babylon/Rome
"That's probably his invented story." - His last name is talker, meaning that he is one of the Jews of the Babylonian exile,That some merchants from this community had emigrated to India
+Even if he was just an Indian who converted, he is still a Jew and does not need any stories
"No, so-called Mizrahi Jews (another recent invention used for mostly Arab Jews)" - Again, you brought the term of one woman who suggested it, which you think is why these Jews are Arabs, they are not Arabs like I am not Caucasian or Turk.
An Arab is one ethnicity, a Jew is another
"number 2/3's of the Israeli Jewish population." - No dude, they're not, it's around 40%
There are 6.4 million Jews in Israel (according to Jewish law), which means that 2/3 of them are just over 4 million.
Of all the this Jews, only a million immigrated to Israel over the years.
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Another lie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
Your own government data is the source:
http://www.cbs.gov.il/publications/isr_in_n10e.pdf " - 20% Arabs, But 14% identify as Palestinians
"Sure. DNA has proven that Arab Jews are not different genetically from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren. Whether they are Yemeni Jews or Moroccan Jews. We are not going to allow you to claim them as your own when you have created a 70 year old version of the United States of America in the middle of the Arab world. You can scream all you want to. "
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Once again, the DNA has proved that all Jews have a connection to each other. You try to take control of the Jews and to arabize them (of course you can't and you will not succeed) because you are an Arab imperialist.
But I'm fucking Jew, I know my people, go tell this stories to your fellow arabs.
We didn't invent a nation 70 years ago, we have been a nation for more than 3000 years.
You can deny, you can ignore, but it will not change reality.
"Just like we won't be silent when you claim Arab cuisine, music, art etc. to be Israeli or Jewish."
You just said that most Israelis are Arabs, but they must not claim that the Arab cuisine belongs to them
There is no original Israeli cuisine, 70 years is not enough time to develop a local cuisine
Therefore, the cuisine in Israel is a universal cuisine.
It's true that some say that falafel, for example, is Israeli, I don't like and agree with it.
Okay al-Andalus
Yes, you are. I just proved it.
The chance of that person having any remote (which it would be in every case) Hebrew/Israelite/Semitic ancestry is as likely as all the 20 million or so Muslim South Asians who claim to be Sayyids (descendants of Prophet Muhammad (saws). Sure some of them are (most likely a minority) but far from the majority.
Do you even know how surnames work? Historically only people that valued genetics and ancestry highly and put a lot of focus on it (such as Arabs and to a lesser degree Mongols) have long and well-established linages. Let alone surnames. For instance in the Muslim world alone most people in countries like Turkey and Iran (alone) first adopted surnames in the past 100 years. In the case of Turkey a law some 83 years ago Turkified their surnames to make matters even more difficult.
In Iran surnames were introduced in 1919.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_name#Surnames
Turkish surname law in 1934:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surname_Law
The Mongol tribes of Genghis Khan's time had a very good knowledge of their genealogy, second only to the Arabs according to Rashid Al-Din Hamadani.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid-al-Din_Hamadani
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return
Let me try again. It has been proven time and time again (since the firs time such genetic tests were conducted) that Jews from the Arab world (Jewish Arabs) whether from Yemen or Morocco have no genetic difference from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren. Nor do they look differently. Do you understand it now? Or shall I repeat myself 10 times more?
That Jews are all related is no sign of anything as all humans are related. You are not going to convince any knowledgeable let alone sane people of some Yemeni Jew having close genetic ties to an Latvian Jew or an Indian Jew having close genetic ties to an Ethiopian Jew. Yet in your universe they are all Jews and in the universe of the Israeli state.
Mizrahi and Ashkenazi are recently invented terms by Israel. That's a fact. Jews from Yemen considered themselves as YEMENIS. Sons and daughters of the land. So did Iraqi Jews and all others.
Yes, there was at one point in time a ancient Israeli kingdom however it would not surprise me the least if modern-day Arabs, as they are more Semitic than modern-day Jews, would have a closer genetic connection. Just like King Herod the Great (an ancient Israeli king) would have a closer genetic connection to a ordinary Hijazi next door seeing that his mother was an Nabatean (Arab) princes and his father a Edomite (Semitic people) from what is today Jordan (Arabia) and the Negev Desert (homeland of the so-called "Israeli" Bedouins!).
It is generally accepted that Herod was born around 73 BCE in Idumea, south of Judea.[10][not in citation given]. However, some authors think that he was born in about 72/71 BCE.[11] He was the second son of Antipater the Idumaean, a high-ranking official under ethnarch Hyrcanus II, and Cypros, a Nabatean. Herod's father was by descent an Edomite whose ancestors had converted to Judaism. Herod was raised as a Jew.[12][13][14][15][16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great
I am talking about Ashkenazi and non-Arab Jews (Jews not originally from Arab lands) and non-Israeli Arabs (another name for Palestinians who stayed in modern-day Israel - you could not expel all of them after all and thankfully nor will this ever happen) who claim Arab cuisine, art, music etc. as "Jewish" and "Israeli". Also while demonizing Arabs all the time while writing historical lies like you have done in this debate.
We know how your show works. You are working 24/7 to demonize Palestinians and trying to do the same with all Arabs. Your Jewish influenced Hollywood has institutionalized this demonization. Recently a hero of the Arab-American community and a brave man and intellectual died and he used to make life a hell for your fraudsters that tried to demonize an nation this great and home to so many people and this ancient history (the oldest in the world) and great culture. Won't be allowed and we will fight that institutionalized propaganda.
You of course no nothing about India, and would be unwilling to watch because it might have some facts as opposed to your Madrasa education.
India's Jewish community and the Christen community is older then that of Europe. The jews arrived and settled in India 1000 years during King Solomon's time before the birth of Christ and Christianity arrived in 53 years after the birth of Christ.
Watch it from 12.53
LOL. An Indian of all people is lecturing people from the region (Arabs and Semites) about religions that originated in our lands and where first followed by our people. What is next, are you going to teach me Arabic while you are at it?
BTW you are describing tiny communities who indeed have nothing to do with India other than migrating there. BTW most of those following the Syrian rite in Kerala/India are actually local converts.
Anyway the depth of this discussion is not something that you are able to understand.
Let's just accept your position for argument's sake, big whoop asshole. No one cares that you're Jewish, you are just a drop in the ocean of semitic peoples in the region. We never read/hear about the ancient semitic people of the Middle East in any history curriculum in the US, even though they have much more significant history and attachment to the region and 'Holy Land' area. For most Americans they probably think Middle East was inhabited by Jews/Hebrews only and no nothing about Assyrians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Samaritans, Hamites, etc....
Quit behaving like everyone owes you something or you should be given more legitimacy than others.
Good to see you back here brother. Hopefully everything is well. We should not be wasting our times with this lot but sometimes you have to make a comment when you see this degree of nonsense.