London museum showcases India’s contribution to science

[Pakistani E]

Who do you think built it? @Sher Shah Awan Take a guess?

Durr probably the Spanish. Because you know, they were all part of one Empire once.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Own what exactly? As people start to learn about Asia further, don't you think you Indians will look like dipshits for naming your country after a river than runs throughout neighboring Pakistan?

@SOUTHie

would love to hear your answer..

 

[Peshwa]

Well, the name we adopted was I would say a smart move. When created, the widely assumed name was Hindustan.

I know what you are saying, yeah that was name given to the subcontinent. And it still is.

But I guess our founding fathers were smart to pick up a name like India.

ugh actually I beg to differ.

Pakistan in its present form is one small representative sample of the larger Indian civilization that focusses on the Islamic history and people of the subcontinent.
India in its present form, on the other hand is the true representation of what India was as a geographical entity (before the concept of nation states) as described by the historians.
India not only houses, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism AND Islam that represents the evolution of religion and culture in the subcontinent, but being secular actually gives you an insight into the melting pot that was an undivided India before the politics of religion took over.
Apart from having historical sites both religious and archeological, India also is a trade powerhouse, something India of the past was and has one of the largest GDPs in the world today, which also is indicative of the Indian subcontinent under different rulers in time.

The simple fact is, the subcontinent was amputated. But lets be clear that when the arm is amputated from the body, the amputated part does not take on the identity of the person. That person still remains who he/she was...In this case India being the person. Pakistan and BD being the amputated parts. They may have/want their own identity but cannot represent the 5000 year old history of the subcontinent in its entirety.

@Joe Shearer @AUSTERLITZ

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Durr probably the Spanish. Because you know, they were all part of one Empire once.

Ancient Rome > today Romania. [Indian logic].

Sher Gates. Do you think that would give me rights on the inheritance of Bill Gates?

Good idea. You claim Bill Gates heritage. I will claim Mohammed Ali's heritage. That leaves Pakistan. My suggestion. Change the name of Pakistan to "Asia" or maybe something like "Islamic Republic of Pakistan of Asia". Then use the name "Asia" to claim every single culture, heritage, history of the entire darned Asian continent. Scoop the Turks, Persians, Middle East, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, claim the heritage of every inch of Asia. Hey that would even give us right to pull the rug under the Ganga-deshis.

Anybody complains. Just say "Its Asia innit".

 

[Chhatrapati]

Own what exactly? As people start to learn about Asia further, don't you think you Indians will look like dipshits for naming your country after a river than runs throughout neighboring Pakistan?

Lol! Says who, Indus was called Sindhu.

Like Arabean sea, Sindu sagar.

 

[Peshwa]

That's like relegating all the history of the American continents to just the U.S because it has America in it's name.

Do you think Pakistan of today represents the full evolution of history and culture in the subcontinent? and if so how?
How do you see Pakistan as being the true inheritor of what was the geographical entity of the Indian subcontinent?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

How do you see Pakistan as being the true inheritor of what was the geographical entity of the Indian subcontinent?

Pakistan cannot be inheritor of the entire geographic sub-continent simple because it does not cover it all. It can only be the inheritor of the geography that it occupies - the Indus Region.

Ganga Basin and Deccan/Dravid Peninsula falls well outside of Pakistan and India has full right to the inheritance of those regions. Common sense really.


Ganga basin

Deccan

 

[Peshwa]

Pakistan cannot be inheritor of the entire geographic sub-continent simple because it does not cover it all. It can only be the inheritor of the geography that it occupies - the Indus Region.

Ganga Basin and Deccan/Dravid Peninsula falls well outside of Pakistan and India has full right to the inheritance of those regions. Common sense really.

The argument I'm trying to counter is that India as a geographical entity of the past as described by historians can only be truly represented by India of today as it actually encompasses all phases of the history of the subcontinent.

Hence India as a name for what is todays nation "India" is actually correct and most appropriate.
I have explained my reasoning in my previous post #18

Maybe the term inheritor was wrong. The right word should have been representative.

Like if we replaced the name Pakistan with India for the country (Pakistan), would it be a true representation of the Indian subcontinent as mentioned in history?

 

[Pakistani E]

Do you think Pakistan of today represents the full evolution of history and culture in the subcontinent? and if so how?
How do you see Pakistan as being the true inheritor of what was the geographical entity of the Indian subcontinent?

You can't take the history of the land and transport it hundred of miles away under some false sense of geographical unity. A unity that was only enforced by empires who held these areas together through bloody conquests, not some cultural affinity.

You can't take the people of Pakistan and say you are no longer inheritors of your forefathers because you have changed your religion or name. What kind of logic is this? Did the people of Pakistan drop out of the sky? How can someone living in Tamilnadu, who's never set foot here claim the legacy of the land my forefathers lived and are buried in?

 

[Peshwa]

You can't take the history of the land and transport it hundred of miles away under some false sense of geographical unity. A unity that was only enforced by empires who held these areas together through bloody conquests, not some cultural affinity.

You can't take the people of Pakistan and say you are no longer inheritors of your forefathers because you have changed your religion or name. What kind of logic is this? Did the people of Pakistan drop out of the sky? How can someone living in Tamilnadu, who's never set foot here claim the legacy of the land my forefathers lived and are buried in?

I apologize for using the term inheritor. That was wrong.
Please see my response to Kaptaan where Ive explained further.

But you gave an example about taking on the name Sher Gates and suddenly "inheriting" or representing Bill Gates because your last name is Gates. Then you equated this with the name India for the current nation state.
The fallacy here is that you actually have nothing to do with Bill gates in any way shape or form.
But the India of today is a true representation of what India of the past was. A melting pot of ethnicities and religions that encompass the entire 5000 years old history of the subcontinent.
Hence India as a name for this entity is appropriate.
Read post #18 for further explanation.

 

[Pakistani E]

Ancient Rome > today Romania. [Indian logic].

Yeah certainly, I was going to say that but I thought I play the other game that some eastern folks play with being ruled by a certain entity in 1947.

Good idea. You claim Bill Gates heritage. I will claim Mohammed Ali's heritage. That leaves Pakistan. My suggestion. Change the name of Pakistan to "Asia" or maybe something like "Islamic Republic of Pakistan of Asia". Then use the name "Asia" to claim every single culture, heritage, history of the entire darned Asian continent. Scoop the Turks, Persians, Middle East, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, claim the heritage of every inch of Asia. Hey that would even give us right to pull the rug under the Ganga-deshis.

Anybody complains. Just say "Its Asia innit".

We Wuz Asia and Shieet sounds so much better.

But the India of today is a true representation of what India of the past was. A melting pot of ethnicities and religions that encompass the entire 5000 years old history of the subcontinent.

Lol yes we all lived happily together didn't we? I am sorry this logic is amusing, which political entity of bygone era are you comparing modern secular republic of India with that you believe make's it a representation of the past?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Like if we replaced the name Pakistan with India for the country (Pakistan), would it be a true representation of the Indian subcontinent as mentioned in history?

No. A name is just a name. It is profoundly silly and pedantic to just fool yourself with the name. Romania has no right to Rome - Italy has despite it supporting the name "Romania". Names are just represntative of something tangible in this case. My handle before was "Atanz", now it is "Kaptaan" and might change it tomorrow to "Brito" but the essential me remains the same. If you adopted my name "Kaptaan" tomorrow and I accepted yours as "Peshawa" we both would remain the same entities despite our names being flipped over.

The fact is Pakistan is inheritor of Indus region - it has the real estate and the peoples of that region and therefore is the modern iteration of a 8,000 year long story.

We Wuz Asia and Shieet sounds so much better.

Hahahaha. So "Asia" it is then !

 

[Peshwa]

Lol yes we all lived happily together didn't we? I am sorry this logic is amusing, which political entity of bygone era are you comparing modern secular republic of India with that you believe make's it a representation of the past?

I'm comparing the entity in modern times that comes closest to representing what was India as a geographical concept as described by historians.
If the naming convention was switched where Pakistan was named India, would it truly represent the various facets of the history of the subcontinent? If so how?

 

[DoTell]

London museum showcases India’s contribution to science
London’s Science Museum on Tuesday unveiled a new exhibition that traces India’s contribution to science and technology globally over the past 5,000 years.

Bringing together pieces from scientific institutes and museums across India, as well as those held by British institutions, the Indian High Commission and the museum hope to bring the exhibition to India too, providing what they believe is a rare opportunity to tie together the developments that have taken place across the centuries and the country into a single narrative. The exhibition’s highlight is a folio from the Bakhshali manuscript, loaned by the Bodleian Library in Oxford, where it has gone on show only on occasion, and contains the oldest recorded origins of the symbol ‘zero’. In September, the Bodleian revealed that new carbon-dating research into the manuscript revealed it to be hundreds of years older than originally thought, dating to the third or fourth century AD.
Another remarkable piece is an 1817 Jambudvipa, or Jain map of the world, and a spectrometer from 1928 designed by Nobel laureate CV Raman.

The exhibition also covers significant recent contributions — from the Jaipur foot, developed by craftsman Ram Chander Sharma and orthopedic surgeon Pramod Karan Sethi, that has been used across 27 countries; and the Intel Pentium processor, whose development was led by electrical engineer Vinod Dham, to Embrace Nest neonatal pouch.

In black and white
The exhibition also highlights correspondence and writings by some of the most influential figures, including letters from SN Bose to Albert Einstein, held by The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and selected papers of Ramanujan held by Trinity College, Cambridge. It also includes an index chart of the great trigonometrical survey of India from 1860, which “no map in the world at that time could rival” for scale, detail and accuracy.

“It encapsulates what India has gone through in terms of science and technology in the past 5,000 years,” said India’s Deputy High Commissioner to the UK Dinesh Patnaik, who hopes to work with the museum to take the exhibition to India. “We wanted to tell the story of India’s role in science and technology, which is an incredibly difficult and complex thing to do. We wanted to capture just how far-reaching it has been in shaping science and technology,” said the exhibition’s head of content, Matt Kimberley, pointing, in particular, to the spectrometer and the influence
it had in shaping industries from forensics to art conservation.

Captured history
A separate exhibition charts the growth of photography in India, focussed around 1857 (including the bizarre growth of what is referred to as “mutiny tourism,” whereby the sites of conflict and suffering were turned into “postcards, stereocards and prints for a burgeoning British tourist industry”). It includes works by Ahmad Ali Khan, the court photographer to the last king of Lucknow, to the works of Felice Beato. The exhibition also focusses on 1947, and includes works by photojournalists Henri Cartier-Bresson and Margaret Bourke-White, as well as more recent works.

‘The Illuminating India: 5,000 years of Science’, and ‘Innovation and Photography: 1857 to 2017’ are both free to enter and run till March 2018.
http://m.thehindubusinessline.com/o...as-contribution-to-science/article9885555.ece

Srinivasa Ramanuja was one of most genius mathematicians ever lived. Never formally trained, he made quite a few ground breaking discoveries in math. Forget 0. How about -1/12? Ramanujan discovered the famous (or infamous ) identity called Ramanujan Summation which says 1+2+3+4+... = -1/12. Yes you're reading it right. Somehow he figured out that the sum of all the positive integers is actually "equal to" -1/12! If such an idea bothers you, try Einstein's theory of relativity. Shouldn't you be equally surprised that time can actually "slow down"??? This identity along with the new thinking brought forth with it laid in part the mathematical foundation for string theory and quantum mechanics. He was a once in a millennium genius who lived well ahead of his time. Too bad he died at just the age of 32. Who knows what he could've done had he lived 30 more years!

 

[Peshwa]

No. A name is just a name. It is profoundly silly and pedantic to just fool yourself with the name. Romania has no right to Rome - Italy has despite it supporting the name "Romania". Names are just represntative of something tangible in this case. My handle before was "Atanz", now it is "Kaptaan" and might change it tomorrow to "Brito" but the essential me remains the same. If you adopted my name "Kaptaan" tomorrow and I accepted yours as "Peshawa" we both would remain the same entities despite our names being flipped over.

The fact is Pakistan is inheritor of Indus region - it has the real estate and the peoples of that region and therefore is the modern iteration of a 8,000 year long story.

Hahahaha. So "Asia" it is then !

NO!
Indian subcontinent IS a geographical entity. That is a fact.
It consists of India, BD, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan and maybe Afghanistan depending on who you speak to .
India is the largest of these units that maybe politically separated in todays world, but have shared history with each other under different rulers.
Pakistan as a nation today represents a small part of that shared history.
India as a nation today houses and represents all aspects of history that went into the creation of the Indian subcontinent.

The naming convention is appropriate for India as it is the only true representative of the 5000 year old history or comes closest to it.