London fire vs. 9-11 fire

[Divergent]

@BATMAN They spent 10 million pounds to have it cladded. What doesn't make sense to me is every block or residential area requires health and safety system. No clue to what that money has been spent on except making the exterior look good for the rich residents living opposite the block since it wasn't a 'pretty sight'.

It costs £300,000 to fit in sprinklers, and around
Service per extinguisher £ 9.00 + vat (£ 10.80 inc. vat)
Service per fire blanket £ 3.00 + vat (£ 3.60 inc. vat)
Technician visit charge (added to each order) £25.97 + vat (£31.16 inc. vat)

- All of which would have cost well below the millions.

It appears the councils/gov/private lenders have pocketed the money and carried very little work through the project.

It's not so much about immigration control, it's more about Kensington having rich people and neglecting the poor. The area is split in two, the upper and lower class. They always wanted to get rid off the block.

 

[Cthulhu]

@niaz Found some of those conspiracy theorists that you were referring to us earlier.

 

[niaz]

There is no conspiracy here. It is simply a question of money. Two things happened simultaneously.

Boris Johnson (Mayor of London 2008 -2016) while doing great for London in many things was stingy about fire services:

"Boris’s cuts – implemented in 2014 – closed 10 fire stations, with the loss of 552 fire fighters’ jobs.
Labour Assembly leader Andrew Dismore asked then-Mayor Boris, ‘How can cutting fire stations, cutting fire engines and cutting fire-fighters post not be a reduction in fire cover? You’ve lied to the people of London.’

Boris snapped, ‘Get stuffed’ – but apologised saying, ‘It just popped out.’

When the cuts were implemented in 2014, fire-fighters wept and embraced each other outside stations which closed – including Britain’s oldest, in Clerkenwell."

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/14/boris...itician-to-get-stuffed-6708609/#ixzz4kG8Tp3vI


Besides, UK has been living under a long period of austerity.

"Austerity’s £18bn impact on local services

FT analysis reveals local government welfare system creaking under weight of growing demand"

https://www.ft.com/content/5fcbd0c4-2948-11e5-8db8-c033edba8a6e

Add normal penny pinching contractors who carried out the repairs & maintenance and you have a disaster waiting to happen. Unfortunately, like most countries, people here also try to close the door after the horse has bolted.

Thankfully it is a criminal inquiry now and heads will roll.

 

[gambit]

Sir, try to quiz some of your friendly client who happenz to be a structural engineer or metallurgical engineer.

So when are YOU going to quiz structural and metallurgical engineers that you know ?

http://www.tomatobubble.com/manhattan_project.html

Just a reminder.

100,000 CONSPIRATORS WORKING IN 3 SECRET CITIES!
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The next time an Anti-conspiracy theorist tells you: "It's impossible for the government to hide something that big!" - show them this story!
For nearly 3 years, many of the world's top scientists will be holed up in reclusive research facilities across the U.S. The Project is supported by the military and 100,000 workers (most of them kept ignorant of "the Big Picture"). It culminates with the dropping of the Atomic bombs on Japan (Hiroshima, August 6, 45 and Nagasaki, August 10, 45)...

The first problem for this argument is not about creating a secret, it is about KEEPING a secret, particularly keeping it over time.

The second problem for this argument is reproductivity, meaning if something can be reproduced.

At the time of the Manhattan Project, atomic fission was relatively unknown but to the most educated scientists who specialized in the field. Compare that to tall buildings -- just about every country have either the native talent to build or can hire foreign talents to build.

If we go by the first problem, no one who was 'in' the original secret, as in actually planting the explosives, came out with definitive proof that he/she was involved. By the time of Imperial Japan's surrender, nuclear weapons were known, while those who worked on the project had to keep silent, their families and friends can and have guessed what they in those yrs. So why is it that after all these yrs, no one who was involved in the 9/11 conspiracy, or their relations, ever came out ?

Now we go to the second problem of reproductivity. Unlike nuclear fission of the 1940s era, knowledge of building tall structures through various means are well known, from universities to actual working professionals. So why is it that no country, especially the wealthy ones like China or Russia or any of the ME sorts, have put forth definitive proof that the World Trade towers must have been brought down by professional demolition ?

 

[Divergent]

Basic online research indicating a direct link to a the type of cladding materials employed and number of similar catastrophes worldwide. It seems that cost cutting is a key factor in choice, particularly cheaper Chinese products; this then led to the company supplying and the contractor. Harley Facades is the same company in administration in 2014, same owner, changed company name now boasting all these fabulous new contracts on this site, these supposedly wonderful facades/envelopes. How was such a turnaround achieved and what is the source and substance of the materials used? Elementary non specialist research of freely available on line specialist information does not indicate aluminium with polyethylene as offering highest safety, these same materials are implicated in a number of catastrophic high rise fires world wide. For a residential urban high density London tower block surely safety comes before cost doesn't it?

 

[BATMAN]

So when are YOU going to quiz structural and metallurgical engineers that you know ?

YOU surely have no qualification to discuss structures.
Trump seems more educated than you. There are thousands of architects and engineers around the globe, who reject your official narrative. All you can do is make fun of them.

@niaz Found some of those conspiracy theorists that you were referring to us earlier.

It is amazing how Iranian and their team in Pakistan, endorse US state narrative so religiously.
Looks like, behind the scene Iran state is helping US, in spreading that absurd official narrative.

 

[gambit]

YOU surely have no qualification to discuss structures.

And YOU do ?

There are thousands of architects and engineers around the globe, who reject your official narrative. All you can do is make fun of them.

And many times more accept the official narrative. To use the climate change language: 'The science is settled.'

More serious problems for your secrecy argument...

When the world's first nuclear bomb was under development, only a few had even a theoretical understanding of the project, as such, the government had complete control of the project, plus it was war time, so it was, in relative terms, somewhat easier to stress to everyone the reason why it was necessary to keep their mouths shut. Even so, there are plenty of personal anecdotes in the many books about the nuclear bomb project where those who were not directly involved knew, at the very least, the government was working on a weapon.

To put enough explosives into all three WTC towers may not involved hundreds of thousands of people, but more like tens of thousands of people, and it would involve a lot of time. Then there is the problem of possession, as in the government, or the Joos, or whoever you want to assign the guilt, were not in possession of the scene of the crime. Lack of possession means lack of control on who would see what and when, not like the Manhattan Project and even back then they had leaks.

https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2014/08/manhattan-project-leaks/

Nevertheless, it generated more than 1,500 leak investigations involving unauthorized disclosures of classified Project information.

How much work is always involved in collapsing a regular building instead of a non-regular building like the WTC towers ?

http://www.demolitionassociation.com/demolition-faq
http://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/building-implosion.htm

According to Brent Blanchard, an implosion expert with the demolition consulting firm Protec Documentation Services, virtually every building in the world is unique. And for any given building, there are any number of ways a blasting crew might bring it down. Blanchard notes the demolition of the Hayes Homes, a 10-building housing project in Newark, New Jersey, which was demolished in three separate phases over the course of three years.

So how long and how many people are we talking about here ? The demolition work had to be done despite the fact that the towers were essentially public at all time.

 

[VCheng]

The spate of such topics are almost predictable

And boring. And false.

 

[BATMAN]

And YOU do ?

I do.
what you want to know about concrete, its making, its settling and its strength?
WTC was demolished in 2001, by then US surely have mini nukes and have plenty of experience in controlled demolition.

 

[gambit]

I do.

Excellent. Then we eagerly await your PEER REVIEWED dissertation on why the WTC towers were an 'inside job'.

 

[Cthulhu]

It is amazing how Iranian and their team in Pakistan, endorse US state narrative so religiously.
Looks like, behind the scene Iran state is helping US, in spreading that absurd official narrative.

LOL, I'm a mechanical engineer myself kiddo, in order to understand why WTC towers collapsed under the fire you should have some knowledge of "Mechanics of fracture" which you obviously don't. Also regarding this "You are working behind the scene with US", You might wanna adjust your tin foil hat properly, apparently it doesn't cover your head completely.

 

[BATMAN]

LOL, I'm a mechanical engineer myself kiddo, in order to understand why WTC towers collapsed under the fire you should have some knowledge of "Mechanics of fracture" which you obviously don't. Also regarding this "You are working behind the scene with US", You might wanna adjust your tin foil hat properly, apparently it doesn't cover your head completely.

Fracture inflicted in meters wide steel by an airplane made of fiber glass and aluminum.
You must be joker of the century, you might wanna adjust your red nose now!

I pity at ball lickers of Iran in Pakistan.

TOPIC: London fire vs. 9-11 fire
NOT a rehash of all debunked conspiracy theories re. 9/11, thank you.
It is very disrespectful towards victims and the ones they leave behind.

Keeping quite, is like doing injustice to the families of victims.
Presenting comparable examples, helps to educate the non tech. people.
Its about time, real culprits and there associates are served justice.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I don't know why some people here are even arguing about. There's is nothing you can say that will make conspiracy theories believers to change their mind. So good luck with wasting your time.

 

[TMA]

I don't know what some people here are arguing here for. There's is nothing you can day that will make conspiracy theories believers to change their mind. So good luck with wasting your time.

I concur.

 

[Cthulhu]

Fracture inflicted in meters wide steel by an airplane made of fiber glass and aluminum.
You must be joker of the century, you might wanna adjust your red nose now!

I pity at ball lickers of Iran in Pakistan.

LMAO, You think Mechanics of fracture is about analyzing the fractures caused by airplane? It's about understanding the causes of failure of material under applying forces and stresses. Educate yourself:

Fracture mechanics is the field of mechanics concerned with the study of the propagation of cracks in materials. It uses methods of analytical solid mechanics to calculate the driving force on a crack and those of experimental solid mechanics to characterize the material's resistance to fracture.
In modern materials science, fracture mechanics is an important tool used to improve the performance of mechanical components. It applies the physics of stress and strain behavior of materials, in particular the theories of elasticity and plasticity, to the microscopic crystallographic defects found in real materials in order to predict the macroscopic mechanical behavior of those bodies. Fractography is widely used with fracture mechanics to understand the causes of failures and also verify the theoretical failure predictions with real life failures. The prediction of crack growth is at the heart of the damage tolerance mechanical design discipline.

I would call someone a joker who doesn't know even smallest things about a particular subject, yet think they are qualified to have a lecture on it.