LOL Temple devoted to Modi to open in Gujarat

[SQ8]

everyone has their hand dirty here , so called secular parties minority appeasement led to radicalization of hindus so blaming modi or BJP for it doesn't make sense . RSS was always there in india the support for it has increased only in the last few years after hindus saw a clear bias against them .

People generally in india take their religion way too seriously , i saw a masjid being constructed in a famous tourist spot in kerala , who constructs a masjid on a beach ? so many illegal religious structures have come up that way in the last decade . Shouldn't we have strict rules against it after all this space could be used for something better , you guys think modi is a hindutva poster boy while he demolished illegally constructed temples in his state , now if he tries to do the same with churches and masjids seculars will just have an heart attack .

There is no such thing as secularism with people. The Indian constitution can be and those who interpret it are bound by it to give decisions based on it. But the Indian people can never be secular, because religion does form a part of their lives and their thinking. What is important that the delicate harmony that was formed due to the constitution is not broken by radicals forming from within the Indian people.

A basic example is when you see rioters going wild after a football game in a seemingly well educated, lawful country. That is because given the right catalyst Human beings can turn destructive within moments(or months or years in case of entire populations a.k.a Nazi Germany). The same goes for India, Hindus who by their otherwise Dharmic nature might be peaceful.. but it only takes ten nutjobs to turn a hundred out of a thousand into blood thirsty genocidal maniacs... the rest of the 900 are left as a silent majority then.

 

[Chronos]

The opinion is divided among older expats here as well. It seems they have a better understanding of his true standing and while they appreciate his economic uplift prowess, they dismiss his "Hindutva" as nothing more than political gimmickry to keep his seat and consider those that follow him for it as complete idiots.

Well it is a cause for concern. India is a young country. A lot of people seem really impatient for change.

Unfortunately, nation building is a slow, mundane excercise that requires a large cultural change and governmental change.

An easy, quick fix 'back to our roots' solution is probably more appealing and makes religious extremists more appealing.

especially when they appeal to your fears, insecurity.

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar

IN Every democratic country including the most liberal ones in the west have A Right wing party
whatever the name may be say Christian Democrats

SO do we

What is wrong in it ; WE have ALL the THREE types of parties
Left ; Right and Centre

But we have to live and function within the parameters of our constitution

Do not disagree at all. But history is testament that constitutions can be dissolved and right wingers have done so throughout history.

Well it is a cause for concern. India is a young country. A lot of people seem really impatient for change.

Unfortunately, nation building is a slow, mundane excercise that requires a large cultural change and governmental change.

An easy, quick fix 'back to our roots' solution is probably more appealing and makes religious extremists more appealing.

especially when they appeal to your fears, insecurity.

The neighbour is a great example why this will backfire with the worst of consequences.. and in the case of India with a greater minority population and further "groups"..the repercussions of the worst case scenario are much worse than next door.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Oscar

Could you please explain HOW inspite of the Communalism of the Nineties
in India ie Babri Masjid movement and BJP rule from 1998 to 2004
We are STILL a secular country

Because Indians are NOT extremists by nature

 

[Chronos]

Do not disagree at all. But history is testament that constitutions can be dissolved and right wingers have done so throughout history.



The neighbour is a great example why this will backfire with the worst of consequences.. and in the case of India with a greater minority population and further "groups"..the repercussions of the worst case scenario are much worse than next door.

Well, I have said this before, hopefully the Indian poor will save the Indian upper classes from their own prejudices.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

But history is testament that constitutions can be dissolved and right wingers have done so throughout history.

We will ACT to change the constitution
only if we are THREATENED by Minority Population explosion

That will happen post 2050 AD not before

The voting rights of MInorities would be restricted post 2050 in my view

 

[SQ8]

We will ACT to change the constitution
only if we are THREATENED by Minority Population explosion

That will happen post 2050 AD not before

The voting rights of MInorities would be restricted post 2050 in my view

Hence, all assertions you made in your previous posts are null and void. India too suffers from the same inbuilt potential for strife as all its subcontinent siblings and a right winger government(and population) that would actively promote genocide may come much earlier than 2050.

Well, I have said this before, hopefully the Indian poor will save the Indian upper classes from their own prejudices.

The Upper class may not want any saving at all, as I said before.. the neighbour is a great example to heed a warning from.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Hence, all assertions you made in your previous posts are null and void. India too suffers from the same inbuilt potential for strife as all its subcontinent siblings and a right winger government(and population) that would actively promote genocide may come much earlier than 2050.


The Upper class may not want any saving at all, as I said before.. the neighbour is a great example to heed a warning from.

My assertions in the previous are VALID
For the period from 1947 TILL 2050

They are an example of the ACCOMDATIVE ; LIBERAL and BROAD MINDED nature of Hindus
BUT we will NOT hand over our country to Muslims

And your fears of Genocide are absurd ; we just have to curtail the voting rights
to prevent a hostile takeover

 

[Chronos]

Hence, all assertions you made in your previous posts are null and void. India too suffers from the same inbuilt potential for strife as all its subcontinent siblings and a right winger government(and population) that would actively promote genocide may come much earlier than 2050.


The Upper class may not want any saving at all, as I said before.. the neighbour is a great example to heed a warning from.

Oh no, you misunderstand me, I was referring to the electoral politics. The last time BJP used the 'Indian shining' example they got trounced.

Modi I personally believe got into power because of strong marketing and a belief that he can provide strong growth.

So it is utpo Modi and BJP to prevent 'Shining India 2.0.'

 

[SQ8]

BUT we will NOT hand over our country to Muslims

Your assertions and this single line implies that you consider India NOT a secular country but a Hindu country. Hence, you already carry that bigoted view as a religious extremist and so regardless of your secular façade you too are willing to accept genocide as a solution eventually are you not?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Oscar

It is also possible that the Population stabilises and there is NO threat to
ONE group from the other

BUT Human beings no matter how liberal have to act for PROTECTING themselves

 

[SQ8]

Oh no, you misunderstand me, I was referring to the electoral politics. The last time BJP used the 'Indian shining' example they got trounced.

Modi I personally believe got into power because of strong marketing and a belief that he can provide strong growth.

So it is utpo Modi and BJP to prevent 'Shining India 2.0.'

Modi did bring an example of economic performance, but his backbone lies on religious extremism; that may have little to do with his own views but when in politics personal beliefs and public beliefs are mutually exclusive.

 

[noksss]

"Modi-temple" in Rajkot has been demolished by "Goverment-Authorities"

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Your assertions and this single line implies that you consider India NOT a secular country but a Hindu country. Hence, you already carry that bigoted view as a religious extremist and so regardless of your secular façade you too are willing to accept genocide as a solution eventually are you not?

India is SECULAR because it is Hindu majority

You are obsessed with the word GENOCIDE ; that is absurd
Self protection can be done in other ways too

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar

It is also possible that the Population stabilises and there is NO threat to
ONE group from the other

BUT Human beings no matter how liberal have to act for PROTECTING themselves

And hence, you are proving my point. India is prone to extremism.. you seem to be too sadly.. and there is a real possibly that it will go there much sooner than expected despite the current "isolation" of these incidents.

India is SECULAR because it is Hindu majority

You are obsessed with the word GENOCIDE ; that is absurd
Self protection can be done in other ways too

Like what? Concentration camps? Castration? At the very least.. deportation?