LIVE UPDATES: PML-N scores upset victory in Lodhran by-election

[saiyan0321]

Ignore the idiot from canada he most likely gets paid to write bs

I hate it when people who have no knowledge Pakistan and Pakistan political history start speaking like experts, make a fool of themselves and then deny that they just made a fool of themselves.

Bet he doesn't even know that provincial assembly is made from provincial member elections and federal assembly is made from national member elections.

 

[Shani Ali]

PTI thinks it can do the same as everyone else and get the same results. It's not the case. PMLN and PPP have voters who will vote for them even if they came round and abused them the day of the election. They have people who will vote for them because they are in physical and mental bondage to the candidates. PTI does not have this. The other two parties have political dynasties going back 100+ years - PTI doesn't have that.

Agree...!!PMLN and PPP have an opinion about their voters, and they know how can they win, and every time they motivate and get the attention of people by their agenda and development work...!!

 

[LeGenD]

Ali Tareen was wrong choice for this contest.

Sometimes I wonder that Imran Khan has a functioning brain anymore.

 

[Champion_Usmani]

Rauf Klasra analysis on na-154 election result..

 

[Champion_Usmani]

https://twitter.com/x/status/962447877833453569

 

[Champion_Usmani]

لودھراں(ڈیلی پاکستان آن لائن )لودھراں کے ضمنی انتخاب میں ن لیگ کے غیر معروف امیدوار پیر اقبال شاہ نے جہانگیر ترین کے معروف بیٹے علی ترین کو انتہائی دردناک شکست سے دو چار کر دیاہے تاہم ن لیگ کے امیدوار کے حوالے سے ایسی معلومات سامنے آ ئی ہے جوکہ ان کی سادگی کو بھی بیان کرتی ہیں ، پیر اقبال شاہ کے ذاتی استعمال میں صرف ایک 2009 ماڈل کی گاڑی ہے جبکہ ان کے اثاثے 9 کروڑ 4 لاکھ 85 ہزار روپے ہیں جو کہ جہانگیر ترین کے مقابلے میں ریت کے زرے برابر بھی نہیں ہے ۔
تفصیلات کے مطابق پیر اقبال شاہ قریشی حلقے میں سماجی شخصیت کے طور پر بھی جانے جاتے ہیں، ان کے دو بیٹے ہیں جن میں سے ایک رکن صوبائی اسمبلی ہے، وہ لوگوں پر دم درود کرتے ہیں اور لوگ ان سے عقیدت بھی رکھتے ہیں۔ ان کے ذاتی استعمال میں صرف ایک 2009 ماڈل کی گاڑی ہے۔پیر اقبال شاہ نے لاہور سے گریجویشن کیا ہے، ان کا ذریعہ معاش زمینداری ہے۔ الیکشن کمیشن میں انہوں نے 9 کروڑ 4 لاکھ 85 ہزار 123 روپے کے اثاثہ جات ظاہر کئے ہیں۔وہ 2005 میں تحصیل ناظم منتخب ہوئے اور حالیہ بلدیاتی انتخابات میں چیئرمین یونین کونسل منتخب ہوئے۔یونین کونسل کی چیئرمین شپ سے استعفیٰ دے کر قومی اسمبلی کا الیکشن لڑا ہے اور جہانگیر ترین کے بیٹے کو شکست دی۔
جبکہ دوسری جانب پیر اقبال شاہ سے شکست کھانے والے علی خان ترین جہانگیر ترین کے اکلوتے بیٹے اور تین بہنوں کے بھائی ہیں۔علی ترین شادی شدہ اور ایک بچی کے والد ہیں، ان کے والد جہانگیر ترین رکن قومی اسمبلی اور تحریک انصاف کے جنرل سیکریٹری بھی رہے جہانگیر ترین نے اپنے بیٹے کو دو سماجی اداروں لودھراں پائلٹ پروجیکٹ اور ترین ایجوکیشن فاونڈیشن کا چیف ایگزیکٹو بنا رکھا ہے۔علی خان ترین کے اثاثہ جات کی مالیت تین ارب 63 کروڑ 31 لاکھ 91 ہزار 33 روپے ہے۔ علی ترین نے بی بی اے کینیڈا سے کیا، لندن سے ایم بی اے کیا۔جہانگیر ترین ایک سرمایہ دار، شوگر ملوں کے مالک، ذاتی جہاز رکھنے والے، منجھے ہوئے سیاستدان اور تحریک انصاف کے جنرل سیکریٹری بھی رہے۔

https://dailypakistan.com.pk/13-Feb-2018/731197

 

[koolio]

لودھراں(ڈیلی پاکستان آن لائن )لودھراں کے ضمنی انتخاب میں ن لیگ کے غیر معروف امیدوار پیر اقبال شاہ نے جہانگیر ترین کے معروف بیٹے علی ترین کو انتہائی دردناک شکست سے دو چار کر دیاہے تاہم ن لیگ کے امیدوار کے حوالے سے ایسی معلومات سامنے آ ئی ہے جوکہ ان کی سادگی کو بھی بیان کرتی ہیں ، پیر اقبال شاہ کے ذاتی استعمال میں صرف ایک 2009 ماڈل کی گاڑی ہے جبکہ ان کے اثاثے 9 کروڑ 4 لاکھ 85 ہزار روپے ہیں جو کہ جہانگیر ترین کے مقابلے میں ریت کے زرے برابر بھی نہیں ہے ۔
تفصیلات کے مطابق پیر اقبال شاہ قریشی حلقے میں سماجی شخصیت کے طور پر بھی جانے جاتے ہیں، ان کے دو بیٹے ہیں جن میں سے ایک رکن صوبائی اسمبلی ہے، وہ لوگوں پر دم درود کرتے ہیں اور لوگ ان سے عقیدت بھی رکھتے ہیں۔ ان کے ذاتی استعمال میں صرف ایک 2009 ماڈل کی گاڑی ہے۔پیر اقبال شاہ نے لاہور سے گریجویشن کیا ہے، ان کا ذریعہ معاش زمینداری ہے۔ الیکشن کمیشن میں انہوں نے 9 کروڑ 4 لاکھ 85 ہزار 123 روپے کے اثاثہ جات ظاہر کئے ہیں۔وہ 2005 میں تحصیل ناظم منتخب ہوئے اور حالیہ بلدیاتی انتخابات میں چیئرمین یونین کونسل منتخب ہوئے۔یونین کونسل کی چیئرمین شپ سے استعفیٰ دے کر قومی اسمبلی کا الیکشن لڑا ہے اور جہانگیر ترین کے بیٹے کو شکست دی۔
جبکہ دوسری جانب پیر اقبال شاہ سے شکست کھانے والے علی خان ترین جہانگیر ترین کے اکلوتے بیٹے اور تین بہنوں کے بھائی ہیں۔علی ترین شادی شدہ اور ایک بچی کے والد ہیں، ان کے والد جہانگیر ترین رکن قومی اسمبلی اور تحریک انصاف کے جنرل سیکریٹری بھی رہے جہانگیر ترین نے اپنے بیٹے کو دو سماجی اداروں لودھراں پائلٹ پروجیکٹ اور ترین ایجوکیشن فاونڈیشن کا چیف ایگزیکٹو بنا رکھا ہے۔علی خان ترین کے اثاثہ جات کی مالیت تین ارب 63 کروڑ 31 لاکھ 91 ہزار 33 روپے ہے۔ علی ترین نے بی بی اے کینیڈا سے کیا، لندن سے ایم بی اے کیا۔جہانگیر ترین ایک سرمایہ دار، شوگر ملوں کے مالک، ذاتی جہاز رکھنے والے، منجھے ہوئے سیاستدان اور تحریک انصاف کے جنرل سیکریٹری بھی رہے۔

https://dailypakistan.com.pk/13-Feb-2018/731197

This is a very interesting video to watch

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Punjab is the reason PTI is popular in the first place. In the last four years, PTI became laughing stock due to u-turn policy, recycling, double-standard mindset, anti-CPEC, anti-military operation against Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP, lack of respect and temperament for woman and marriage, and chairman of PTI with the history of suspicious financial background caught endorsing racial war during the dharna.

Not only in Punjab, PTI might even lose in KPK as well. Asad Umar is sensible choice who should be groomed to take over by now. Imran Khan might have made PTI platform but Asad Umar can carry that platform forward so the hard work of Imran Khan and his teams will not go in vain.

Exactly
The CHANGE & NAYA PAKISTAN is now gone when people from PPP & PML Q joined PTI

Bringing in the same people from other parties to yours isn't a new face and they can't bring change

Nahi janab ye sab kuch app patwariyo ke liye ha, aur main 100% guarantee se keh sakta ho app mian sahab ke piyar main pagal ho gaye ho aur ye jo kuch maine yaha lagaya he ye app nai parhne ke zehmat bhe na ke ho ge.

You see the attitude is the problem of PTI & their supporters
Bhai sahab Patwari Ka na dictionary me MATLAB seekho ja k apka leader Jo UK ki democracy ki misal Deta nhi thakta container pe charh k usko democracy Ka mtlb seekho

According to you guys ager PTI ki vote de dia jai to mtlb ap parhe like Achi family se belong krne wale sachay Pakistani Han ager Kisi or party

Certified daku aur chor ko certified sadiq aur ameen se compare na karo. Judges decesion, ab ye mat kehna establishment ke sazish ha.
Ajeeb logic he patwariyo ke, jab jeet jatey ha tu it is ok, jab har jatey he establishment ke sazish.

Acha chalo man Lia certified daku hai please adalat se kaho ja k Kay sir ab to ap ne sabit krdia k certified daku or choor hai isko jail me q nhi Dal rhy... Jo kal Sheikh sahib k sath hua apko wahan ja k hi jwab jwab milay ga

https://twitter.com/x/status/962447877833453569

Wo Jo dete thay galian bhejty thay lanat maurausi siyasat par aaj Apne pe aai to haq ki bat krte Hain

Ali Tareen Ka kya qasoor k wo Jahangir tareen Ka beta hai to Bilawal Maryum or Hamza Ka kya qasoor k wo zardZar Nawaz or Shahbaz k bachay Hain

 

[Kabira]

Rauf Klasra analysis on na-154 election result..

haha Rauf Klasra, fake seraki wannabe nationalist doesn't have any explanation for what happened in Lodhran.

South punjab have rejected PPP and PTI, now its time to merge seraki areas from other provinces with punjab. Seraiki is just punjabi with sindhi accent.

Punjab is the reason PTI is popular in the first place. In the last four years, PTI became laughing stock due to u-turn policy, recycling, double-standard mindset, anti-CPEC, anti-military operation against Indian-funded Terrorist-outfit aka TTP, lack of respect and temperament for woman and marriage, and chairman of PTI with the history of suspicious financial background caught endorsing racial war during the dharna.

Not only in Punjab, PTI might even lose in KPK as well. Asad Umar is sensible choice who should be groomed to take over by now. Imran Khan might have made PTI platform but Asad Umar can carry that platform forward so the hard work of Imran Khan and his teams will not go in vain.

In KP PTI won only 35 seats out of 99 and that to in central KP region which keep changing sides in every election. In all other regions they couldn't do anything new. Chances are they will loss central KP to ANP this time.

 

[Kabira]

https://twitter.com/x/status/962447877833453569

Knew it giving ticket to Tareen 2.0 will be disaster. In turn N league gave ticket to middle class men and won.

 

[Champion_Usmani]

Have diminishing returns set in for IK?

By Dr Pervez Tahir

Political outcomes, just like economic returns, are governed by the law of diminishing returns. Successive application of an input adds more and more units of output but not indefinitely. There is a point beyond which diminishing returns set in. It seems Imran Khan has reached that point. His was a single-input approach driven by the anti-corruption campaign. The slogan ‘Go Nawaz, go’ was designed to focus on what was perceived to be the most corrupt family rule. Predictably, the point of maximum return would be the exit of Nawaz. Dharna after dharna, jalsa after jalsa and, finally, court battle after court battle, there was a single-minded pursuit of this objective. Nawaz met his Waterloo on 28 July 2017. This is when diminishing returns set in for Imran Khan.

Suddenly there was nothing to do, as is the wont of one-point campaigners. The battle against corruption had been won, but before the Great War — the general elections. In the process, Imran ran out of ammunition. With his main weapon, the fight against corruption, now the property of the courts, offence offered no returns. There was no preparation for defence. When the questions of corruption were raised in his own backyard, Imran either kept quiet or let others offer lame excuses, forgetting what was done to the K-P Ehtisab Commissioner or to Election Commissioner in the party elections. It was pathetic to see the IK brigade at pains to explain that the use of official helicopter by IK was kosher and by others a corrupt practice. Nominating son to replace father and making campaign speeches by Tareen are OK with IK, but not by others. When it came to delivery in the child abuse cases, it turned out that the much-publicised K-P police were clueless until help arrived from Shehbaz Sharif’s ‘daakias’. His aides threw statistics and philosophised in response to simple questions asked by the media. It was just like a bureaucrat failing in his duty, with the difference that the latter never loses composure. There is no explanation of why jangla bus is bad in Punjab and good in K-P. Nor is there any understanding of the country’s energy policy and the kilowatt difference between the federal and provincial domains. The naivety in assuming that a billion trees could not be counted was appalling. In education, the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa government spent three years in learning what Punjab did in the very first year, despite the same teacher, ie, British DFID. The health sector has not even begun to heal. The list goes on. So does apologetics.

While the IK brigade, trained only for offence, is having to defend, it has brought upon itself the worst scenario of a ruling party roaring across the length and breadth of the country as if it were the opposition. IK has to carry the burden of incumbency in an election year. The hand-picked party organisation looks up to him to lead, unable as it is to organically change in response to a fast changing environment. He is lost and seeking solace in the world of metaphysics. He does not realise that the marriages of popular leaders are not a personal matter. The PTI does not have the resilience of a mass party. The middle class and youthful composition of the members and supporters raise the spectre of disillusionment. With a genetic imprint of the leader on the party, it is the leader who has to change. This, in the case of IK, is asking for the moon.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 9th, 2018.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1629756/6-diminishing-returns-set-ik/

 

[Handshake]

As I said earlier, If you want democracy than you have to learn the decision of people - The Jahil Punjabis and Sindhis were more illiterate in 1945 than today, What if today India says that people were unparh and jahils and sold their vote to Muslim League for plate of beriyani? If Shaoor is the name of hypocrisy, abusing people for not agreeing with you than this kind of shaoor is not needed, If IK & PTI has something to show and persuade people than they wouldn't have to resort to demeaning and abusing people who aren't convinced by them or praying/trying the opponents taken out of competition so they can win the race.

Exactly
The CHANGE & NAYA PAKISTAN is now gone when people from PPP & PML Q joined PTI

Bringing in the same people from other parties to yours isn't a new face and they can't bring change



You see the attitude is the problem of PTI & their supporters
Bhai sahab Patwari Ka na dictionary me MATLAB seekho ja

Exactly
The CHANGE & NAYA PAKISTAN is now gone when people from PPP & PML Q joined PTI

Bringing in the same people from other parties to yours isn't a new face and they can't bring change



You see the attitude is the problem of PTI & their supporters
Bhai sahab Patwari Ka na dictionary me MATLAB seekho ja k apka leader Jo UK ki democracy ki misal Deta nhi thakta container pe charh k usko democracy Ka mtlb seekho

According to you guys ager PTI ki vote de dia jai to mtlb ap parhe like Achi family se belong krne wale sachay Pakistani Han ager Kisi or party



Acha chalo man Lia certified daku hai please adalat se kaho ja k Kay sir ab to ap ne sabit krdia k certified daku or choor hai isko jail me q nhi Dal rhy... Jo kal Sheikh sahib k sath hua apko wahan ja k hi jwab jwab milay ga






Wo Jo dete thay galian bhejty thay lanat maurausi siyasat par aaj Apne pe aai to haq ki bat krte Hain

Ali Tareen Ka kya qasoor k wo Jahangir tareen Ka beta hai to Bilawal Maryum or Hamza Ka kya qasoor k wo zardZar Nawaz or Shahbaz k bachay Hain

Hahahaha patwari ke logic seekho dictionary main? Democracy ka matlab sekho? Wtf you are talking dude? Are you high on weed? App mujhai dictionary kholne ka keh rahey ho leken i think dictionary ke zaroorat app ko he janab. Bilawal bhutto , hamza shahbaz aur maryam nawaz ko ap ali tareen se compare kar ke pata chalta ha hay how much low thinking boundaries you have. Ali tareen koi imran khan ka beta nai jo imran khan ke bad party par qabiz ho jaye ga,Who said pti loosing its supporter? Pti supporter still with khan and will forever.
Har jeet hote rehti ha janab har kar thak jana imran khan ke blood main nai.
Salam app logo ke zehniyat par.

 

[Finer]

Exactly
The CHANGE & NAYA PAKISTAN is now gone when people from PPP & PML Q joined PTI

Bringing in the same people from other parties to yours isn't a new face and they can't bring change

I know. Recycling is sort of contradictory to the whole premise of PTI. Then again, irony has always eluded PTI and Imranistan.

 

[Champion_Usmani]

Should PTI be worried? 5 takeaways from the NA-154 defeat

It should have been game, set and match for PTI. Jahangir Tareen had trounced his PML-N rival in the 2015 by-election by a huge margin and with Nawaz Sharif’s disqualification fresh in the minds of the public, the writing was on the wall–PTI would soon regain NA-154 which it had lost due to Tareen’s disqualification.

The news shocked us all. Whether you were a PTI supporter (that must have hurt) or a PML-N sympathiser or even someone who keeps a keen eye on politics. You were just not expecting Ali Khan Tareen to lose. But lose he did and with it, dented the morale of his party.

Here are six takeaways from PTI’s loss at the hands of PML-N in the NA-154 by-election:-

1. Imran may have underestimated the reaction to Ali Tareen’s nomination

Politics is not a bed of roses and the cricketer-turned-politician should keep that in mind. Imran has always held his opponents responsible for destroying Pakistan–and more than often, he has blamed it on the menace of nepotism. Hence it came as a shock to most (particularly PTI loyalists) when Ali Khan Tareen was nominated as PTI’s candidate for the NA-154 election.

The fact that Ali Tareen had no prior stellar experience in politics and only bore his father’s name came as a shock to many since the party was quite outspoken on dynastic politics. Perhaps Imran Khan misjudged the reaction of his core support base–and is now forced to lick his wounds when they did not take to the ballot box.

2. The Kyun Nikala narrative seems to be gaining traction with the masses

Ever since Nawaz has been ousted from the echelons of power in Islamabad, he has called on the masses to support him as a ‘conspiracy’ was being hatched against him. The former prime minister has lashed out at everyone–from the country’s judiciary to its establishment and even referred to Imran Khan as a ‘puppet’ or the ‘blue-eyed-boy’.

While the opposition made fun of the whole Kyun Nikala slogan, turns out, it may have gained traction with the masses. If the layman is not convinced that a conspiracy is in the works against Nawaz, why is he taking to the ballot box with such passion?

3. What does PTI have in its bag of tricks to compete with PML-N in the forthcoming election?

Nawaz Sharif has hammered home the message that he has ended loadshedding in the country, restored law and order to a restive country, tackled the economic woes of Pakistan and built modern infrastructure that meets the needs of the common man in the country.

On the other hand, what does Imran Khan have to sell to the people? The recent results have shown that the PTI chief’s criticism of the Sharif family and their involvement in corruption is not enough–Imran needs more to sway the voters of Punjab who still believe Nawaz is the right man.

With time running out (and fast), does the PTI have anything up its sleeve to counter PML-N’s claims with a stellar development project of its own?

4. PTI’s popularity is Lodhran has taken a steep dive. Here’s why…

Jahangir Khan Tareen had defeated his opponent convincingly in the 2015 by-election, beating him with a margin of over 40,000 votes.

Tareen, who was then PTI’s General Secretary, secured 117,053 votes against 73,247 of PML-N’s Siddique Baloch.

The fact that Ali Tareen has lost the election this time around by more than 25,000 votes is evidence that the difference in votes this time around has been more than 60,000.

5. Will Lady Luck ever shine on the PPP again in Punjab?

Pakistan Peoples Party’s candidates have had a sound thrashing in Punjab. The NA-120 by-election was especially disappointing for the party who used to win scores of seats from Pakistan’s most populated province and even held its own in toughly contested seats.

In NA-120, PPP’s candidate polled less votes than the MML candidate. This time around, PPP lost to another upcoming religious party in the Lodhran NA-54 by-election as the party’s candidate polled even lesser votes than the TLYR.

Time for the PPP to put on its thinking cap and make sure its candidates try something out-of-the-box in Punjab.

https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2018/02/should-pti-be-worried-5-takeaways-from-the-na-154-defeat/

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Hahahaha patwari ke logic seekho dictionary main? Democracy ka matlab sekho? Wtf you are talking dude? Are you high on weed? App mujhai dictionary kholne ka keh rahey ho leken i think dictionary ke zaroorat app ko he janab. Bilawal bhutto , hamza shahbaz aur maryam nawaz ko ap ali tareen se compare kar ke pata chalta ha hay how much low thinking boundaries you have. Ali tareen koi imran khan ka beta nai jo imran khan ke bad party par qabiz ho jaye ga,Who said pti loosing its supporter? Pti supporter still with khan and will forever.
Har jeet hote rehti ha janab har kar thak jana imran khan ke blood main nai.
Salam app logo ke zehniyat par.

Logic nhi beta mtlb mtlb seekho dictionary se Patwari Ka Jo government employee hota hai Jo land record rakhta hai jazbati ho k Nahi Aram se BAAT suna kro..

Or yeh kya logic hui k Ali tareen party nhi sambhalay GA to usko election larne do maurusi siyasat Ka mtlb pata BHI hai? Imran khan k betay to Pakistan me BHI nhi warna party unko jati Imran khan kal ager mar Gaya to party Tareen k pass hi jai gi


Or ager PTI supporters loose Nahi me rahi to Jo election 117,000 votes se jeeta wo is dafa 85000 votes pe aagaya or jisne 76000 votes le k hara tha wo 113,000 votes le k jeet Gaya

Bi-elections me 29K or 26K votes k difference se har rahi hai PTI or keh Raha k votes Kahan loose huay Hain LOL