LeT, JuD planning to attack Bhakra Dam

[Abu Zolfiqar]

do i have evidence of it?

absolutely NOT....

it's just a hunch I have. Though there are people in india even (e.g. the late Karkare's wife) who have a similar hunch. Truth be told, the saffron militant outfits would definitely have liked to see him silenced!

 

[Peshwa]

its only considered a terror plot if it involves Pakistan even remotely.....

you think 26/11 drama could have taken place without inside support? Seems that a few unruly kids with rusty assault rifles knew the layout of mumbai (leave alone the hotels) better than their police/security forces did. More to it than meets the eye.

You obviously missed the Headley-Rana trial didnt you?

Would do well to read up so we dont have to spoon feed you when it comes to connecting the dots...

 

[gaurish]

do i have evidence of it?

absolutely NOT....

it's just a hunch I have. Though there are people in india even (e.g. the late Karkare's wife) who have a similar hunch. Truth be told, the saffron militant outfits would definitely have liked to see him silenced!

FYI here is my clarification ... again come to reality and stop dreaming... Hemank karkare wife clearing the air with her views what she perceived who killed her husband...

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You obviously missed the Headley-Rana trial didnt you?

Would do well to read up so we dont have to spoon feed you when it comes to connecting the dots...

Headley yes -- the American who had little to nothing to do with Pakistan; the one who was an informant for the CIA/DEA. You should be talking to Americans about him, he isnt one of ours.

why do you think even the US was reluctant to cooperate?

 

[Peshwa]

Headley yes -- the American who had little to nothing to do with Pakistan; the one who was an informant for the CIA/DEA. You should be talking to Americans about him, he isnt one of ours.

why do you think even the US was reluctant to cooperate?

Well if you followed his trial, you would know where those "rag-tag" militants got their intel and detailed layouts of mumbai and the hotels from....

Lastly...
Why are Pakistanis so vehemently defending LET/JUD? Intelligence agencies have only mentioned LET/JUD as being part of the plot.....I didnt know that LET/JUD was directly related to PA or GOP to be considered pointing fingers at Pakistan as a state?
Though yes....LET is a Pakistani organization...though a terrorist entity that your own country has banned as well..

 

[Bhairava]

a lot of people believe that he was killed by ''blues'' and not ''reds''


i.e. it was an inside job

A "lot of people" from Pakistan and those influenced by crass vote-bank politics.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Well if you followed his trial, you would know where those "rag-tag" militants got their intel and detailed layouts of mumbai and the hotels from....

.......?

Why are Pakistanis so vehemently defending LET/JUD?

present credible evidence to the courts and share it with us.....politics and prose will not suffice. We live in a world where suspicion alone does not constitute as 'evidence'

as for LeT, no such group exists in Pakistan it is a banned outfit for some years now.

Intelligence agencies have only mentioned LET/JUD as being part of the plot.....I didnt know that LET/JUD was directly related to PA or GOP to be considered pointing fingers at Pakistan as a state?

it isn't.....it is the indians only who want Pakistan as a whole to be isolated or implicated in the mumbai thing

if you are privvy to some additional details encompassing the investigation, do share by all means.

Though yes....LET is a Pakistani organization...though a terrorist entity that your own country has banned as well..

you just answered your own question.

 

[Gentle Typhoon]

 

[S.M.R]

so now 26/11 , 9/11 , 7/7 is all drama for you .... Oh god when will we start living in reality ... the only nation living in reality may be pakistan and all other non muslim countries live in illusion and dramas

Read my post again, you will come to know what is drama and what is reality.

 

[S.M.R]

if you RIP for Hemanth, then you should understand that your ismaic jihadi terrorist killed him for busting your enemy(safron brigade). We have always respected our men in uniforms, they do their duty at the best so that even the people who get busted respect them and they are our heros

Can please explain? I didn't get it.

 

[Nelson]

Headley yes -- the American who had little to nothing to do with Pakistan; the one who was an informant for the CIA/DEA. You should be talking to Americans about him, he isnt one of ours.

why do you think even the US was reluctant to cooperate?

Really? I thought that he is American of Pakistani origin. I also thought that he accepted working for ISI and was reporting to some major iqbal.

but how can that be right because everything is a conspiracy, propaganda and campaign to defame Pakistan and ISI, right? right?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Really? I thought that he is American of Pakistani origin.

legally, he is an American. He holds a US passport (i.e. proof of American citizenship). He grew up in the U.S. not Pakistan.

I also thought that he accepted working for ISI and was reporting to some major iqbal

the fact that he was a former informant for the DEA who allegedly went rogue speaks volumes about his credibility and judgement of character

if the news-bytes surrounding the ongoing investigation are to be believed, this man single-handedly manipulated his own childhood friend, multiple wives, extremist groups and even government agencies....

for all we know, he could just be pointing fingers just to get less light on himself and the multiple lives he lived, which we are being told about

it should also be mentioned that if these same news-bytes are to be believed, he was already training with the so-called ''lashkar e toiba'' even while being an informant. As an American citizen, it seems that the US didn't do a good job in their screening process. Perhaps you should have more words with them!

but how can that be right because everything is a conspiracy, propaganda and campaign to defame Pakistan and ISI, right? right?

when you lack evidence, it's difficult for you to have a case....

empty statements, rhetoric and prose alone can never be mistaken as hard evidence. Hopefully you indians will learn that sooner than later.

 

[Nelson]

legally, he is an American. He holds a US passport (i.e. proof of American citizenship). He grew up in the U.S. not Pakistan.

I said that he is an American with Pakistani origin (Since his dad is from Pakistan), He also attended Cadet College Hasan Abdal, a preparatory boys' high school for the military, in Pakistan. He got his training in Pakistan. So saying that he has "nothing to do" with Pakistan would not be appropriate.

if the news-bytes surrounding the ongoing investigation are to be believed, this man single-handedly manipulated his own childhood friend, multiple wives, extremist groups and even government agencies....

Well, if we are talking about manupulations, then let me give you some examples (Which would be off topic but please bear with me)..
1. Pakistan first said that they were not involved in Kargil, but then they declare awards to their Army men for the same war!! Some even claim the victory. That's manupalation.
2. Pakistan first said that the Kasab was not Pakistani but later accepted. That's manupalation.
3. Supporting Taliban rule in Afghanistan and then helping US to fight Taliban. That's manupalation.

My point is, after all these manupalations, do you think that Pakistan as a nation has lost the credibility? The question stands the same for David. By the way, his last stament on May 30, 2011 was given in the court, in which he said that ISI was "not" involved. Now, do you think that he is lying in this statement? Yes, he is! Because according to you he is manupalating, right??

when you lack evidence, it's difficult for you to have a case....

empty statements, rhetoric and prose alone can never be mistaken as hard evidence. Hopefully you indians will learn that sooner than later.

There is a way to look at it. US could have never proved that OBL was in Pakistan Because, you cant expect to take pictures of him in a mension which he never leaves. Even if you take pictures of him, then the question would arise whether or not it is the location of Pakistan. But the truth is, He Was There.

My point is, you can not have evidences in all cases, but that does not mean that the case is false. (he finest example is OBL's presense in Pakistan.) Hopefully you Pakistanis will learn that sooner than later.

 

[ashokdeiva]

Can please explain? I didn't get it.

I am telling that Hamenth did not die in the hands of Safron brigade but in the hands of Kasab and team that came from Pakistan via boat

 

[S.M.R]

I said that he is an American with Pakistani origin (Since his dad is from Pakistan), He also attended Cadet College Hasan Abdal, a preparatory boys' high school for the military, in Pakistan. He got his training in Pakistan. So saying that he has "nothing to do" with Pakistan would not be appropriate.

Well, if we are talking about manupulations, then let me give you some examples (Which would be off topic but please bear with me)..
1. Pakistan first said that they were not involved in Kargil, but then they declare awards to their Army men for the same war!! Some even claim the victory. That's manupalation.
2. Pakistan first said that the Kasab was not Pakistani but later accepted. That's manupalation.
3. Supporting Taliban rule in Afghanistan and then helping US to fight Taliban. That's manupalation.

My point is, after all these manupalations, do you think that Pakistan as a nation has lost the credibility? The question stands the same for David. By the way, his last stament on May 30, 2011 was given in the court, in which he said that ISI was "not" involved. Now, do you think that he is lying in this statement? Yes, he is! Because according to you he is manupalating, right??

What exactly is your point? We from the very first day were saying that he is the person who can not be trusted bcaz of his credentials, but indians were asking us to keep watching the US court trials. When he took U-turn, that ISI is not involved, he suddenly became the global's most untrustworthy creature, why?

There is a way to look at it. US could have never proved that OBL was in Pakistan Because, you cant expect to take pictures of him in a mension which he never leaves. Even if you take pictures of him, then the question would arise whether or not it is the location of Pakistan. But the truth is, He Was There.

My point is, you can not have evidences in all cases, but that does not mean that the case is false. (he finest example is OBL's presense in Pakistan.) Hopefully you Pakistanis will learn that sooner than later.

OBL presence is very much discussed in his specific threads. for your bold caps part, how do you know about his presence? just bcaz uncle US told you?