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was it not your Viets who put Khmer Rouge in power in the first place, it was not until they turned against your Viets that you started complaining, again Pol Pot is the hero the same as Hitler wishing for an honourable agrarian society but it was sadly destroyed because of your evil Yuon race, I am sure the puppet Hun Sen is also the Khmer Rouge why you don't say anything against him, also if you hate Chinese why you are living in China, I think you are the 2 faced person denounce Chinese but living in their country
you idiot, show me evidence that we backed the Khmer Rouge when they came into power? ha ha ha...and you reveal that you are a Cambodian by calling us Yuon.

Pol Pot was an ally of Red China, that was in the midst on a campaign against Vietnam. The Khmer Rouge's ideology was Mao´s Marxist coupled with an extreme version of Khmer nationalism and xenophobia. Plus Pol Pot dreamed of a return of the Angkor Empire. That were the reasons why he ordered to kill the existing population and launched attacks on Vietnam. Without Beijing´s backing, the army of Khmer Rouge never dared to touch us. Not to mention the existence of thousands of China military advisers serving in Cambodia at that time.

As for Hun Sen, he was in the Khmer Rouge but turned to Vietnam as he realised how barbaric Pol Pot was.
 
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The word 'invasion' generally have a negative context, as in wanting something from the victim country. No one 'invade' for nothing. It was clear what France, China, and Imperial Japan wanted. But if you are going to say the US 'invaded' Viet Nam, you have to show what was it that Viet Nam have that the US: Either does not have and wanted, or have but wanted more of.

Did the US 'invaded' Viet Nam for oil? Land? Women? What?

The fact is that the US was invited into Viet Nam, first by necessity in WW II, then later by the South Vietnamese government. Whatever your feelings are about the South Vietnamese government, they are irrelevant. What is relevant is that the US took nothing from Viet Nam.
The US got involved in Vietnam because it wanted to stop communism spreading from China over North Vietnam and further to other nations in South East Asia.

You know, the former US defence minister Robert McNamara wrote later a book revealing how it came to the tragic decision, and how wrong America was in the assessment. What went wrong? Actually America overlooked two key points towards Vietnam:

- the determination of Vietnamese to fight for independence and unity whatever the cost, and how long it takes: 10, 100 or even 1,000 years.
- the tradional hostility between China and Vietnam. Plus Mao wanted to spread communism over the world, while Vietnam sought independence and control over Indochina peninsular.

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In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam: Robert S. McNamara, Brian VanDeMark: 9780679767497: Amazon.com: Books
 
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The US got involved in Vietnam because it wanted to stop communism spreading from China over North Vietnam and further to other nations in South East Asia.
Communism is an evil that MUST be resisted. What has it done for Viet Nam that no other ideology can do?

You know, the former US defence minister Robert McNamara wrote later a book revealing how it came to the tragic decision, and how wrong America was in the assessment. What went wrong? Actually America overlooked two key points towards Vietnam:

- the determination of Vietnamese to fight for independence and unity whatever the cost, and how long it takes: 10, 100 or even 1,000 years.
- the tradional hostility between China and Vietnam. Plus Mao wanted to spread communism over the world, while Vietnam sought independence and control over Indochina peninsular.
You misunderstood what McNamara meant when he said the US miscalculated. Was the US intent on denying Viet Nam independence? The reality was that while South Viet Nam was not a model of democracy and capitalistic wealth, it was far better than North Viet Nam. You may not know it because you are borned after the war and are conditioned to believe everything the Vietnamese communists tells you, including the lie that the US 'invaded' Viet Nam.

Communism have brought nothing but misery and poverty anywhere it was imposed. Many nationalists sensed it long before the treacherous Ho-Sainteny Agreement was made that brought France back to Viet Nam. My grandfather remember how villagers were forced to line up alongside the road and waved French flags to welcome French troops. He took most of the clan southward after that episode. Whoever of the family that remained in the north was slaughtered by the Viet Minh using French soldiers and weapons because they resisted both communism and France.

Be honest with yourself. You have no emotional ties to the Vietnam War. I do because I lived through it. Independence was inevitable for Viet Nam and the rest of Indochina. But thanks to the communists, it was earned with blood from war instead of blood from honest labor in the pursuit of a better life.
 
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The US got involved in Vietnam because it wanted to stop communism spreading from China over North Vietnam and further to other nations in South East Asia.
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Ho Chi MInh dismissed Communist party in 1946, but US still support France to invade us.
As Jesus Christ spoke from a care for what was done to "the least of these," King looks to a subject neglected by Americans: the history of suffering by the Vietnamese people.

"They must see Americans as strange liberators. The Vietnamese people proclaimed their own independence in 1945, after a combined French and Japanese occupation and before the communist revolution in China. They were led by Ho Chi Minh. Even though they quoted the American Declaration of Independence in their own document of freedom, we refused to recognize them. Instead, we decided to support France in its re-conquest of her former colony. Our government felt then that the Vietnamese people were not ready for independence, and we again fell victim to the deadly Western arrogance that has poisoned the international atmosphere for so long."

by Martin Luther King
Martin Luther King's Speech Against the Vietnam War - by David Bromwich

and pls stop arguing with our old man Gambit abt communist, I've explained to him many times already, give him many evident from American views,too , but it seems too hard for him to admit the Truth that he was so wrong , so Let the old man be :pop:
 
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The word 'invasion' generally have a negative context, as in wanting something from the victim country. No one 'invade' for nothing. It was clear what France, China, and Imperial Japan wanted. But if you are going to say the US 'invaded' Viet Nam, you have to show what was it that Viet Nam have that the US: Either does not have and wanted, or have but wanted more of.
Did the US 'invaded' Viet Nam for oil? Land? Women? What?
The fact is that the US was invited into Viet Nam, first by necessity in WW II, then later by the South Vietnamese government. Whatever your feelings are about the South Vietnamese government, they are irrelevant. What is relevant is that the US took nothing from Viet Nam.
this is just bald face lies, your whites invaded simply because you are imperialist, it is something that is carried in your whites genes passed down from generation to generation, it is your mentality to subjugate others, post war is just a game of appeasement between USSR and US carving up the entire planet into their respective spheres of influence

Check again the source of this photo, here is photo of Vietnamese students were studied in China from 1964-1967, before Universities in China closed by Jiang Jing wife of Mao.
Pol Pot details Khmer Rouge killing enemies in the party to Chinese premier Hua Guofeng in 1977, warns him war with Vietnam is neccessary and looming

Beijing, 29 September 1977

By Nate Thayer

he day before Pol Pot arrived for a state visit in Beijing in September 1977, he made a speech in Phnom Penh in which he publicly revealed for the first time the existence of the Cambodian Communist Party and that he himself was its General Secretary. Neither the Cambodian people nor the world was aware of this even after they had been in power for over two years.

Five days earlier, on September 24, Khmer Rouge forces launched attacks against a number of villages inside Vietnam.

He arrived in Beijing 28 September and departed for Pyongyang on October 4, returning China a week later and returning to Cambodia on 22 October 1977.

It was Pol Pot’s only official visit outside Cambodia while in power as the leader of the Khmer Rouge government, to China and North Korea.
In China, he met with the chairman of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party and Chinese premier Hua Guofeng, who was Mao’s hand-picked successor, as well as soon to be top leader Deng Xiapeng......
The official Chinese diplomat passport Beijing issued to Ieng Sary under the false Chinese name “Su Hao,” falsely stating he was born in Beijing on 1 January 1930. The passport was issued by the Chinese Minister for Foreign Affairs, to allow Sary to travel outside of China after the fall of the Khmer Rouge to Vietnam in January 1979.

POL POT: The strategic orientation, therefore, should be to develop revolution in Southeast Asia. Otherwise, it will take centuries to solve the problem between Vietnam and Cambodia. Laos, to our knowledge, will play an important role in the strategy of Vietnam. The Vietnamese-Lao Treaty of 13 July 1977 is a treaty under which Vietnam annexes Lao territory. Laos’ population is three million. Yet, the number of Vietnamese in Laos alone—not to mention the Vietnamese Laotians—is three million. The Vietnamese population is increasing by between one and two million every year. After five years, the Laotians will be a minority. Vietnam, however, is not able to control Laos because it has insufficient human, financial, and food resources. If the revolution in Southeast Asia advances strongly, exploiting the opportunities, then the situation will be better and we shall solve our problem. We have conversed with our Burmese, Malaysian, Indonesian, and Thai friends and reached agreement with them. This is a big political victory even though it will be more complicated when we go into details. We rely on our Chinese friends in the North. Southeast Asia is united. This situation encourages us strategically. As far as our foreign policy is concerned, we try to unite the Southeast Asian forces. Our Central Committee considers this an important task. We spend time working with parties in Southeast Asia. That Cambodia can defend itself is contributing to the defense of Southeast Asia. As before, we feel safe having the Chinese as friends. The recent 11th CCP Congress encourages us and promises us and the Southeast Asian revolution a bright future.

Hua Guofeng: Your strategy regarding the neighboring countries is correct.


and read more here.Pot Pot Tells China in 1977 that Killings Underway, to Continue | natethayer
your Viets mentality is truly sickening, you still cannot see they are crying about the very same thing your Viets cry about with Chinese hegemony

here more pictures for you
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the whole country of Vietnam must be student in China

you idiot, show me evidence that we backed the Khmer Rouge when they came into power? ha ha ha...and you reveal that you are a Cambodian by calling us Yuon.

Pol Pot was an ally of Red China, that was in the midst on a campaign against Vietnam. The Khmer Rouge's ideology was Mao´s Marxist coupled with an extreme version of Khmer nationalism and xenophobia. Plus Pol Pot dreamed of a return of the Angkor Empire. That were the reasons why he ordered to kill the existing population and launched attacks on Vietnam. Without Beijing´s backing, the army of Khmer Rouge never dared to touch us. Not to mention the existence of thousands of China military advisers serving in Cambodia at that time.
As for Hun Sen, he was in the Khmer Rouge but turned to Vietnam as he realised how barbaric Pol Pot was.
I did not reveal anything, how can I know to write basic Viet if I am the Khmer as I told your Viets I am the 100% Viet blood, I just copied Yuon from Khmer extremist on internet

as I said somewhere before everything I post has truth in it but your Viets mentality is not right, believe in many lies taught to you by VN education system, it is sad situation
The failure to establish contacts with Moscow did not weaken the position of Pol Pot, as he had Beijing and Hanoi behind him. To strengthen his support from Hanoi he even showed readiness for close union and “special solidarity” with the DRV: Pol Pot introduced Nuon Chea – a person trusted in Hanoi, whom Le Duan, leader of the Vietnamese communists, in a conversation with the Soviet ambassador, called a politician of “pro-Vietnam orientation” as the occupant of the second most important post in the party. Speaking of Nuon Chea, Le Duan literally emphasized “he is our man indeed and my personal friend" (Record of conversation of the Soviet ambassador with Le Duan, first secretary of the Vietnamese communist party Central Committee, RSAMH, Fund 5, inventory 69, file 2314, November 16, 1976, p. 113).
The compromise with Hanoi allowed Pol Pot to reserve to himself authority in the party leadership, to provide the material and military aid for fighting groups, which he called the Revolutionary Army. In the period 1968-1970 this army conducted unsuccessful operations against the forces of the ruling regime, sustaining heavy losses, and did not have the slightest hope of coming to power.A great chance for Pol Pot and Khmer communists came in March, 1970. Their long-term enemy - Cambodian leader prince Sihanouk - was overthrown in the military coup d’etat of March 18, 1970. He had to enter into a military-political union with the communists to get back to power. It became a turning point for the communists: in the eyes of thousands of peasants, they turned from enemies of Sihanouk into his protectors. The revolutionary army started growing as on yeast, and the mass base of the communists considerably increased. In this case the goals of purely communist reorganization obviously were set aside for the moment, and the slogans of protection of the legal chief of state and of national independence came to the fore.
In April-May 1970, significant North-Vietnamese forces entered Cambodia in response to the call for help addressed to Vietnam not by Pol Pot, but by his deputy Nuon Chea. Nguyen Co Thach recalls: “Nuon Chea has asked for help and we have liberated five provinces of Cambodia in ten days.” (RSAMH, Fund 5, inventory 75, file 1062. Information on the conversation of the German comrades with the deputy minister of foreign affairs of the SRV Nguyen Co Thach, who stayed on a rest in the GDR from the 1st to the 6th of August, 1978. August 17, 1978, p. 70). In 1970, in fact, Vietnamese forces occupied almost a quarter of the territory of Cambodia, and the zone of communist control grew several times, as power in the so-called liberated regions was given to the CPK. At that time relations between Pol Pot and the North Vietnamese leaders were especially warm,

In 1978, the then Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Vietnam, Ngyuen Co Thach, told German communists that in 1974 Cambodians had asked for assistance for the purpose of taking Phnom Penh. “But the Chinese did not provide such aid, then Pol Pot had approached Vietnam”. The new call for assistance, as in 1970, did not come from Pol Pot himself, but from his deputy within the party, Nuon Chea (Record of conversation of the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the SRV, Ngyuen Co Thach, with German comrades while staying for rest in the GDR in August 1-6, 1978. RSAMH, Fund 5, inventory 75, file 1062, August 17, 1978, p. 72). There is nothing strange about Pol Pot’s compelled appeal to Vietnam for assistance. The strange thing was why the Vietnamese leadership, which was fully informed of the special position of the Khmer Rouge leader concerning relations with Hanoi, did not undertake any action to change the power pattern within the top ranks of the Communist Party to their own benefit. Apparently, the position of Nuon Chea, as the main person on whom Hanoi leaders put their stakes, proved to be decisive at that moment. Nuon Chea was already closely cooperating with Pol Pot. It was obvious that he consistently and consciously deceived the Vietnamese principals concerning the real plans of the Khmer leadership, pointing out the inexpediency of any replacement of the Khmer leader. As a result, in 1974 Vietnam granted military aid with no strings attached. Pol Pot was not toppled. There were not even attempts to shatter his positions or strengthen the influence of opposition forces. It is possible that Hanoi simply did not want undesirable problems in its relations with Phnom Penh at the moment of preparation for its own decisive assault in the South.There is no doubt that the apparent desire of the Khmer leadership’s majority to govern Cambodia independently and without external trusteeship, was obviously underestimated in Hanoi. Vietnamese leaders confessed to this blunder later. A member of the VWP Politbureau and a long-term Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ngyuen Co Thach, for instance, in his 1978 conversation with German communists, told them that “in 1975 Vietnam evaluated the situation in Cambodia incorrectly”
 
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Without China's help, vn would have been already part of France. Let alone the talk for reunification.

As for choosing between China and ussr, I do not think you are that naive thinking you can get stuff from both sides at that time, right???

China's help has always been without conditions then. We did not demand vn to repay what we have sent to vn. Otherwise, you will be in tons of debts already to China before your reunification. ussr was just for its dominating world goal and money as well.

We both supported nk during korean war. China has donated tens of thousands of lives there and ussr provided some advanced weapons. However, in the end, ussr demanded China to repay what it sent to China during korean war and before that. And that bastard nk did not pay anything at all and threw itself into ussr during the 60s.

Now it begs China each day for food, oil, support and etc.

Don't tell me ussr supported you for free. It has its base in vn until ussr's collapse. It has done the same to China asking permanent bases for it in China, while Mao soundly rejected it.

Why did you see it necessary to push Vietnam and Korea into the corner? Why did North Vietnam have to chose between USSR and China, just because you had conflict with the Soviets?

Again, China was not willing to support Vietnam´s ultimate goal: re-unitification. That is the root of the problem. You played foul. By the way, China was a mess in that time, unable to provide modern weapons such as MIG-21s and anti-aircraft missiles against high-flying bombers like B-52s. Vietnam was at war, and not in a peace time.

History proves that North Vietnam was on the right side.
 
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Please refrain yourself. The thread is dedicated to show respects to one of the greatest heroes of Vietnam, who was also among the people who changed the face of the world. Without him, I believe many Asian and African countries would be still under painful colonialism today. If you want to bash Vietnam, go to other threads.
 
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Without China's help, vn would have been already part of France. Let alone the talk for reunification.

As for choosing between China and ussr, I do not think you are that naive thinking you can get stuff from both sides at that time, right???

China's help has always been without conditions then. We did not demand vn to repay what we have sent to vn. Otherwise, you will be in tons of debts already to China before your reunification. ussr was just for its dominating world goal and money as well.

We both supported nk during korean war. China has donated tens of thousands of lives there and ussr provided some advanced weapons. However, in the end, ussr demanded China to repay what it sent to China during korean war and before that. And that bastard nk did not pay anything at all and threw itself into ussr during the 60s.

Now it begs China each day for food, oil, support and etc.

Don't tell me ussr supported you for free. It has its base in vn until ussr's collapse. It has done the same to China asking permanent bases for it in China, while Mao soundly rejected it.

We never deny that PRC helped Vietnam so much in the War. We also know nobody help the other for free. But many of you just keep saying like we're ungraceful, betrayer, ...etc.
LOL, Look at history, you want the best path for yourself, but we saw the other way for us, so we didn't follow you.

China's help has always been without conditions then. We did not demand vn to repay what we have sent to vn

PRC DEMAND VIETNAM CUT OFF OUR RELATION WITH USSR, PRC DEMEND VIETNAM ACCEPT THE LIMIT LINE PLACE AT 17TH PARALLEL,...etc.

Don't say like you are God, you're not.

You supported NK because you want to do that for yourself, so you must face with result from this action, right !?
 
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this is just bald face lies, your whites invaded simply because you are imperialist, it is something that is carried in your whites genes passed down from generation to generation, it is your mentality to subjugate others, post war is just a game of appeasement between USSR and US carving up the entire planet into their respective spheres of influence


your Viets mentality is truly sickening, you still cannot see they are crying about the very same thing your Viets cry about with Chinese hegemony

here more pictures for you
b31-331.jpg

b31-332.jpg

the whole country of Vietnam must be student in China


I did not reveal anything, how can I know to write basic Viet if I am the Khmer as I told your Viets I am the 100% Viet blood, I just copied Yuon from Khmer extremist on internet

as I said somewhere before everything I post has truth in it but your Viets mentality is not right, believe in many lies taught to you by VN education system, it is sad situation

I remindered you that the photo you psted is photo of Vietnamese Students studied in China in last time.

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and China's leaders did his policy, when you are bullied by USA, USA called by Chinese as "paper tiger" and China should fight against USA to last Vietnamese.

But here is true face of China.

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Nixon in China 1972, and 1974 China robbed Hoangsa of Vietnam.


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China was best master of Khmer Rouge 1977, backed them to attack vietnam.


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China begged your master USA to attack Vietnam 1979.


Helped Vietnam in the past were peoples around the world, included American people.

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Ho Chi MInh dismissed Communist party in 1946, but US still support France to invade us.


Total BS. Ho Chi Minh was a communist. Even General Vo was a communist.
 
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Ho Chi MInh dismissed Communist party in 1946, but US still support France to invade us.


and pls stop arguing with our old man Gambit abt communist, I've explained to him many times already, give him many evident from American views,too , but it seems too hard for him to admit the Truth that he was so wrong , so Let the old man be :pop:
You are nothing but a brainwashed fool and quoting MLK is not going to make you any smarter.

Here is the truth on how France returned to Viet Nam...

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The Ho–Sainteny agreement was an agreement made March 6, 1946 between Ho Chi Minh, President of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and Jean Sainteny, Special Envoy of France. It recognized Vietnam as a "Free State" within the French Union, and permitted France to continue stationing troops in North Vietnam until 1951.
King may have been an intelligent man and a morally righteous leader, but that does not make him right in this subject.
 
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You are nothing but a brainwashed fool and quoting MLK is not going to make you any smarter.

Here is the truth on how France returned to Viet Nam...

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King may have been an intelligent man and a morally righteous leader, but that does not make him right in this subject.

Here is the REAL truth on how France returned to Viet Nam
Then, in a treaty concluded in February 1946, France cut a deal with Chiang: France gave up all of its colonial possessions in China; in return the Chinese turned over Tonkin to the French. The French calculated that, rather than try to fight their way back, which would have entailed battling a wide-spread armed resistance, it made better sense to recognize Ho Chi Minh on the condition that he allow French troops to be stationed in Tonkin. That is precisely what took place. For his part, Ho Chi Minh felt he had no choice but to deal with the French. He knew it was his only chance to rid his people of the hated Chinese, their age-old rivals. In response to his predicament Ho is reported to have said “The last time the Chinese came, they stayed a thousand years. The French are foreigners. They are weak. Colonialism is dying. The white man is finished in Asia. But if the Chinese stay now, they will never go. As for me, I prefer to sniff French **** for five years than to eat Chinese **** for the rest of my life.” The Franco-Vietnamese agreement concluded between Ho Chi Minh and the French on March 6, 1946, stipulated that 15,000 French troops and 10,000 Vietnamese under French command would be stationed in and around Hanoi and Haiphong.Vietnam Notebook: First Indochina War, Early Years (1946-1950) | Parallel Narratives
Man, u r so old to admit the Truth already :pop:

Total BS. Ho Chi Minh was a communist. Even General Vo was a communist.
BS ?? read the history again, the truth that HCM dimissed communist party in 1946, and US still support France to invade Vn again
 
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I remindered you that the photo you psted is photo of Vietnamese Students studied in China in last time.
and China's leaders did his policy, when you are bullied by USA, USA called by Chinese as "paper tiger" and China should fight against USA to last Vietnamese.
But here is true face of China.
Nixon in China 1972, and 1974 China robbed Hoangsa of Vietnam.
Helped Vietnam in the past were peoples around the world, included American people.
and how do you know those people are the Viets students and even if they are so what? I don't why you keep repeating the same BS, no one robbed anything of your Viets, the North already kow towed to Chinese and acknowledged Chinese claims when they sre desperate begging for Chinese involvement, it is clear that your mentality is just wrong continually crying about the Chinese try to use everything to speak against them but if they did not help you are just the slave but even if it was the dog US that completely ignored your begging for help from Frenchy even backing their ally and then invading you still find BS to support them, what shameless and ungrateful people, your people is deserve to be kept poor for eternity
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'One million in Peking rally over War'
this is another protest different from picture
The Age - Google News Archive Search



Here is the REAL truth on how France returned to Viet Nam

The Age - Google News Archive Search

Man, u r so old to admit the Truth already :pop:
BS ?? read the history again, the truth that HCM dimissed communist party in 1946, and US still support France to invade Vn again
do you really think you can brazenly post lies and expect people like me to believe you
Last year I wrote a post (here) in which I tried to refute the idea that Hò Chí Minh said in the late 1940s that “I prefer to sniff French **** for five years than eat Chinese **** for the rest of my life (or some versions have ‘for a thousand years’).”
This statement was allegedly made in reference to Hồ Chí Minh’s agreement in 1946 to let French troops return to Tonkin, which had been occupied by Nationalist Chinese troops in 1945 that had arrived to disarm the Japanese.
At the end of World War II, the southern half of Vietnam was occupied by British forces which were also responsible for disarming the Japanese there.
Today I came across a cable (telegram) that was sent from the British (in Saigon, but via London) to the Australians in late December 1945. It states the following:
“The Political Adviser to the Allied Force Commander in Saigon reports that French authorities there have been advised by the French Ambassador at Changking [should be “Chungking” (i.e., Chongqing)] that Generalissimo Chian[g] Kai Shek has decided to withdraw Chinese forces in the near future though the date has not yet been fixed from that part of French Indo-China north of 16degrees.”
So as early as December 1945, Chiang Kai-shek apparently already made it known that he would pull his troops out of Tonkin.This report also states the following:
“Adviser learns that the Chinese government are still insisting vis-à-vis French authorities that Chinese Nationals should have the same rights in French Indo-China as the French Nationals. The French are particularly anxious to withhold the right of ownership of land and are reporting that they are unable to agree to Chinese demand since it is not possible to lay down in advance future policy of the Federation of French Indo-China.”
This is further proof that this alleged statement by Hồ Chí Minh that “I prefer to sniff French **** for five years than eat Chinese **** for the rest of my life” is a myth.
Chiang Kai-shek didn’t care about Vietnam. He had no desire to control that country, and there was no possibility that Hồ Chí Minh or anyone else in Vietnam was ever going to have to “eat Chinese shit” for the rest of their lives.

What Chiang Kai-shek did care about was the Chinese people and how the French treated them. He was angry that Chinese had been treated as second-class citizens by Westerners since the Opium Wars of the nineteenth century. He hated the extraterritoriality laws that Westerners had forced the Chinese agree to. And he wanted to make sure that nothing like this continued in the post-war era.
He knew that the French wanted to create some kind of Federation of French Indo-China in the future, and he was ok with that. He just wanted Chinese to have equal rights to reside and do business in that federation that French nationals did.
In other words, Chiang Kai-shek wanted Chinese to be treated as the equals of Westerners. As for Vietnam and the Vietnamese, my guess would be that he couldn’t have cared less.
So there is no “history of Chinese aggression” in anything Chiang Kai-shek said or did, nor did he reveal any “eternal Chinese desire” to assimilate Vietnam. In the 1940s there was no chance that Hồ Chí Minh or anyone else in Vietnam was going to have to deal with the Chinese for the rest of their lives. The people that Chiang Kai-shek and Hồ Chí Minh were concerned with at that time were the French, and they both dealt with the French in their own ways.

Ho Chi Minh and his men often said that being ruled by the French is better than by the Chinese. This is more like a fool because later the Chinese army units in Vietnam had to withdraw to reinforce their troops in Manchuria against the Chinese Red Army. Chiang Kai Shek at the Yalta Convention refused to control Vietnam. "They (the Vietnamese) are not Chinese, they always rebel against China."
To show his welcome to the arrival of French Special Envoy Sainteny and French military units coming under the March 6 Agreement, Ho Chi Minh instructed people to display flags. Ho showed to the French that people appreciated their coming back..
Richard Nixon, in No More Vietnam, wrote: "While nationalist groups refused to cooperate with the French, the communist Viet Minh chose to collaborate with the French. Ho signed the so-called March 6 agreement that brought the French army back into Northern Vietnam. His greetings were effused 'I love France and French solders. You are welcome. You are heroes. Some say Ho compromised with the French to force the Nationalist Chinese to withdraw. But one week earlier, China had pledged to remove its army in a separate agreement with France. As to the real motivation of the communists, Ho's right-hand man, Le Duan, later said it was to 'wipe out the reactionaries.' For the Viet Minh, this included all nationalists."

If Mao Tse Tung had not taken over China in 1949, Ho Chi Minh would have been responsible for turning Vietnam over to France. Since 1949, communist China armed and trained Viet Minh. This led to the Viet Minh victory at the China-Vietnam Border Battle. Later, it was the Chinese artillery that helped Viet Minh to defeat the French at Dien Bien Phu
 
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and how do you know those people are the Viets students and even if they are so what? I don't why you keep repeating the same BS, no one robbed anything of your Viets, the North already kow towed to Chinese and acknowledged Chinese claims when they sre desperate begging for Chinese involvement, it is clear that your mentality is just wrong continually crying about the Chinese try to use everything to speak against them but if they did not help you are just the slave but even if it was the dog US that completely ignored your begging for help from Frenchy even backing their ally and then invading you still find BS to support them, what shameless and ungrateful people, your people is deserve to be kept poor for eternity
b31-333.jpg


'One million in Peking rally over War'
this is another protest different from picture
The Age - Google News Archive Search




do you really think you can brazenly post lies and expect people like me to believe you

hey, you should be Sino-Khmer Rouge. :smokin:
 
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