Learn about the "Meteor" air-to-air missile obtained by the Egyptian Air Force, which changes the balance of power in the region

[SpaceMan18]

The only advantage Israel would have over Egypt is F-35 which the Egyptians can make obsolote and take it out of air rendering useless while their defensive systems will be easily breachable as we already have seen in demonstrations.

They will then have to run into a wall of a well armed Egyptian army in conventional engagment and they have zero advantage there whatsoever in armement. They are vastly outnumbered and out-hardware'd. As Sun-tzu said all wars are won before it even begins.. They have less then 1% chance of rebelling them in a conventional engagement against a well armed and more battle hardened troops that vastly outnumber them.. This is not 60 years ago it is 20s and beyond. No comparison in reality

Silly man , Egyptian military leadership is no where near Israel's military leadership and that's what matters the most not just advanced weapons.

Also not to mention cyber warfare and using spies , Israel even though I hate their government I can at least acknowledge the fact that their spies and cyber warfare is top notch.

Also have you seen Israeli pilots ? Those guys are crazy skilled

 

[Bilal9]

The only advantage Israel would have over Egypt is F-35 which the Egyptians can make obsolote and take it out of air rendering useless while their defensive systems will be easily breachable

This is interesting and I was not aware that F-35's could be made "obsolete" by any arsenal Egypt currently has.

Egypt has only recently received Su-35s from Russia (minuscule numbers) which would be their best platform yet against Israel's F-35s and F-15's (in way greater numbers) which are currently the best American frontline fighters. Note how I have not even mentioned the F-16 Sufaa which is self-developed by Israel (the improvements were initiated in Israel, then replicated by GD later in the US for conformal tanks etc.) and is available to Israel in far greater numbers than publicized (refurb'd from older F-16's in US inventory which they do constantly).

Of course, since Israel is the de-facto 52nd US state, they get access to a lot of technology goodies (especially advanced sensors and electronics) that Egypt does not. Whatever they can't get, they develop themselves with their own companies (Rafael Industries etc.). One simply has to admit that they currently are at the forefront in these technologies.

On the Army Front, the number of Merkava Mk.4's are slated to exceed that of Egypt's older version Abrams that it is dependent on the US for (SKD kits), not to speak of older version Merkavas etc. (MK1,2,3) which together number in the thousands.

Other than materiel, there is also advanced disciplined warfighting training that Israelis are famous for.

I am not rooting for Israel - but being aware of their capabilities is necessary.

Hold your friends close, your enemies closer.

And developing countermeasures should come first instead of Egypt boasting on simple numbers of obsolete weapons.

@Ceylal would you agree with me brother?

 

[Bilal9]

But the issue of the Americans entering into a direct war with Egypt in the event of a war with Israel is not easy, this is at all. Oh, it supports Israel with weapons and supports it with ammunition, but I do not think a direct entry into the beginning of the battle, unless you feel that Israel is disappearing

Actually it was very well planned for.. for then and forever.. there was a strategic objective that was achieved ..so don't think just with a loser's mentality.. That war was the latest and was won hands up .. the whole world testify to it..

So now why are you still basing your comments on 50 years ago? you should ask yourself to be true and up to date with events..

Today even if the Israeli Air Force is technologically superior with fifth-generation aircraft and the qualitative additions.. Egypt can neutralize it on the ground in the first hours of the war by dumping missiles with rocket launchers to get air bases out of the battle .... Here we are not talking about random or rudimentary missiles, but rather GPS / INS-guided missiles with maneuvering capabilities. Against the air defenses ... with the neutralization of the Israeli Air Force, half the battle ends before it even begins..

Neutralizing the most important and strongest air force that Usrael possesses can be done in this way. Before even targeting the depth, which are advanced stages in wars. Since under the sky of Egypt and the surrounding region. The Egyptian air defense and the Egyptian interceptor fighters are absolutely capable of completely reducing and lowering the air threat, and in the worst case, if it does not completely neutralize the Usraeli airforce,. its impact will be reduced close to nothing.

Another very important point is the technological difference is in some weapons and equipment. Is countered by corresponding Egyptian fire density in almost all weapons. The Egyptian army has a fire intensity that is extremely strong and extremely dangerous. And I'm not just talking about missile or artillery capabilities.. But also at the level of all land weapons, naval or even air defense. Even from the history of the Missile defense.. Although it is not as advanced as what Israel has..but the passive detection radars networks of Egypt and the diversity of the Egyptian system of radars that operate on different detection waves helped a lot and gives a great power to the Egyptian air defense.. And on land the possession of Israel of the trophy APS, will be overwhelmed by the intensity of the firepower of the Egyptian armored forces. From tanks, anti-tank armored vehicles, and Anti tank missiles weapons, it is considered a river of fire ... it will be directed at the Israeli tanks. On the average, it is possible to target one tank with four or five missiles..

Technology wise..The elements of strength and weakness are present on both sides, but to clarify, Egypt has changed its centers of command and control at the highest level for battle management and a secure communications network, and Egypt is still building its capabilities in this field, the last of which is the military communications satellites..the Spy satellites, reconnaissance aircrafts,. the radar network and early warning radars with good situational awareness and decision-making ability Especially since the enemy is close by.. And radars like Resonans, revealing his airfields,

On top of that ..Usrael does not have a strategic depth..just artillery, rocket launchers, and short ballistic missiles launched from Sinai would easily destroy the Usraeli main infrastructure ..

So you know now who is scared of whom..

The only problem then is the US..But the issue of the Americans entering into a direct war with Egypt in the event of a war with Israel is not that easy, it will supports Usrael with weapons, ammunition and new tech, but I will not get involved directly in the beginning of the battle, unless it feels that Israel is on the verge of disappearing from the map..

I agree with most of your points, but Egypt leadership and therefore armed forces are compliant at the whims of the Americans and the Saudis. Having weapons is moot.

They will not do anything to anger Washington or Riyadh. Sisi is very close to the Saudis especially.

Biden reached out to Sisi recently to have Egypt negotiate the Israel-Palestine ceasefire. I rest my case,

 

[The SC]

I agree with most of your points, but Egypt leadership and therefore armed forces are compliant at the whims of the Americans and the Saudis. Having weapons is moot.

They will not do anything to anger Washington or Riyadh. Sisi is very close to the Saudis especially.

Biden reached out to Sisi recently to have Egypt negotiate the Israel-Palestine ceasefire. I rest my case,

Actually Egypt is the most independent Middle Eastern country..No US nor anyone else can dictate stuff on it.. follow the history of Egypt and you will know for sure when it has refused military bases to the US and Russia alike..

Can you stop talking about things you are not familiar with..for once..

 

[The SC]

This is interesting and I was not aware that F-35's could be made "obsolete" by any arsenal Egypt currently has.

Egypt has only recently received Su-35s from Russia (minuscule numbers) which would be their best platform yet against Israel's F-35s and F-15's (in way greater numbers) which are currently the best American frontline fighters. Note how I have not even mentioned the F-16 Sufaa which is self-developed by Israel (the improvements were initiated in Israel, then replicated by GD later in the US for conformal tanks etc.) and is available to Israel in far greater numbers than publicized (refurb'd from older F-16's in US inventory which they do constantly).

Of course, since Israel is the de-facto 52nd US state, they get access to a lot of technology goodies (especially advanced sensors and electronics) that Egypt does not. Whatever they can't get, they develop themselves with their own companies (Rafael Industries etc.). One simply has to admit that they currently are at the forefront in these technologies.

On the Army Front, the number of Merkava Mk.4's are slated to exceed that of Egypt's older version Abrams that it is dependent on the US for (SKD kits), not to speak of older version Merkavas etc. (MK1,2,3) which together number in the thousands.

Other than materiel, there is also advanced disciplined warfighting training that Israelis are famous for.

I am not rooting for Israel - but being aware of their capabilities is necessary.

Hold your friends close, your enemies closer.

And developing countermeasures should come first instead of Egypt boasting on simple numbers of obsolete weapons.

@Ceylal would you agree with me brother?

You can worship the Usraelis what you want .. just stop talking BS here..The Egyptians have proven to be better planners and more disciplined than the IDF you are still worshiping.. and that was over 50 years ago in the October Ramadan war of 1973..even the Egyptian pilots were much better.. so you go educate yourself a bit before commenting with BS talk here..a fake pro-Usraeli talk that is empty from any factual substance..Usraelis can talk like that to sooth they wounded soul.. but you..Hey!

And you call 30 SU-35S a minuscule number..only your brain seem minuscule...HaHaHa..

The best Egyptian platform is the Rafale with numbers going up to 100 very soon..

My friend ..if someone on this earth know the capabilities of Usrael..it is Egypt..

Egypt is pretty advanced in electronics and EW and this for a long time.. you should learn about these things first before talking..

 

[batmannow]

The recent image above shows the moment when a French Rafale aircraft launched an advanced air-to-air missile, which is considered the best in the world, a "Meteor" missile, which is classified within the so-called "Beyond Visual Range" because of its very long range, which ranges from 100 to 200 km and a no escape range of 75 to 90 km.
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The Meteor is considered the best air-to-air missile with the largest no escape range in the world and an active advanced seeker.

The Rafale can carry 6 "Meteor" long-range missiles and 6 "Mica" missiles, which are divided into Mica Thermal with a range of 60 km and Mica Radar with a range of 80 km.

According to MBDA (missile designer and producer), METEOR is the next generation of Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air (or BVRAAM) missile system designed to revolutionize air combat in the 21st century.. Six nations cooperated in making it, they all share a common need to defeat today's threats as well as emerging threats in the future.

Guided by a sophisticated active radar seeker, Meteor offers all capabilities to engage a wide range of targets from fast, agile aircraft to small unmanned aerial vehicles and cruise missiles in all weather conditions. The Meteor missile provides multi-shot capability against long-range maneuverable targets in a severe electronic countermeasures (ECM) environment with a range well over 100 km (62 mi).

The weapon is also equipped with a data transmission link. With the aim of meeting the needs of the so-called "network centric environment", Meteor can be run using third-party data, allowing the Meteor user - the pilot - to have a more flexible weapon system.

Meteor will be a very strong addition and a change in the balance of power for the Egyptian Air Force with the additional Rafale deal.

For decades, the United States has prevented the Egyptian Air Force from obtaining long-range "Amram" air-to-air missiles to preserve Israel's military-technical superiority, and now Egypt is breaking this superiority by acquiring the French Mica missiles and the Russian R-77SD, along with the best, which is the European Meteor.


https://www.defense-arabic.com/2021/05/16/تعرّف-على-صاروخ-ميتيور-الجو-جو-الذي-حص/

Power doesn't changes with few gadgets, it only changes when a ideology gets succeeded?
Israel with not much gadgets in its hands defeated Egyptians back in history!
When egypt had more power full military back then?
Israelis won beCause they have Thier ideology with them!
They stood on that and not only egypt but became the dictating Regime in that region?
So now that long range BVR missiles are for whom?
For Israel?
Or for who else in that region?
Cause egypt has no enemies?
Israel is it's friend, USA it's friends. Russia is it's friends!
So where Egyptian airforce will ever use these Missiles ?
Instead of that, Egypt should have made a few factories should have spent that money bringing more schools for education and would have worked for it's poor ppls instaed living in the fear of unknown?
These dictators, they live their lives on buying these high end gadgets but in case of Hussnie Mubarak, non of these gadgets saved him?

 

[Ceylal]

This is interesting and I was not aware that F-35's could be made "obsolete" by any arsenal Egypt currently has.

Egypt has only recently received Su-35s from Russia (minuscule numbers) which would be their best platform yet against Israel's F-35s and F-15's (in way greater numbers) which are currently the best American frontline fighters. Note how I have not even mentioned the F-16 Sufaa which is self-developed by Israel (the improvements were initiated in Israel, then replicated by GD later in the US for conformal tanks etc.) and is available to Israel in far greater numbers than publicized (refurb'd from older F-16's in US inventory which they do constantly).

Of course, since Israel is the de-facto 52nd US state, they get access to a lot of technology goodies (especially advanced sensors and electronics) that Egypt does not. Whatever they can't get, they develop themselves with their own companies (Rafael Industries etc.). One simply has to admit that they currently are at the forefront in these technologies.

On the Army Front, the number of Merkava Mk.4's are slated to exceed that of Egypt's older version Abrams that it is dependent on the US for (SKD kits), not to speak of older version Merkavas etc. (MK1,2,3) which together number in the thousands.

Other than materiel, there is also advanced disciplined warfighting training that Israelis are famous for.

I am not rooting for Israel - but being aware of their capabilities is necessary.

Hold your friends close, your enemies closer.

And developing countermeasures should come first instead of Egypt boasting on simple numbers of obsolete weapons.

@Ceylal would you agree with me brother?

Absolutely, that what most arab pdf’s doesn’t get..Egypt like every Arab states that depend militarily of the West or the East won’t get top notch military hardware. Trust is a very essentiel component in international military sales and Arab states are not known to be trustworthy in keep equipment sold to them from being handed to third parties. For Egypt for example, after the October war, Sadat to be embraced by the West, has sold the most performing Russian Equipments to the US..MiG 23 for a mere $30,000 /craft, air defenses systems that decimated Israel Air Force for pennies..etc etc..How do they expect that the US or any other country trust them with their hardware. Beside downgraded military equipment, there is a matter a training that is subpart to the world armies…and that training is dépendant on the trust that the ruler have in their armies..there is absolutely none whatsoever..Comparing themselves to Israel is silly, Israel is light year ahead of any Arab army...First the Tsahal is a popular army..its strength, motivation, and dedication come from the nature of Israelis, they fought hard for their country, and always willing to fight for their land( although it isn’t theirs, but that is not the point) , their allegiance to their state is resolute..Arabs are all but the contrary, their allegiance goes to the tribe, to their sect and then to the state…Arabs, because of religion do not believe in the notion of state. They have never fought for their land, it was carved for them in a drunken night by the superpowers.
Other matter that is worth mentioning is the number of armies in each state..For example Saudi Arabia has a national guards, the best armed who defends the Royal and the governing component of Saudi Arabia ..And the regular army, poorl’y trained and equipped for the defense the state..Egypt’s is something all different..Their army is devised in three segments depending on the make up of its arms .Each segment is defined by its weaponry..There is the American segment, the Européen segment and the Eastern segment…Each segment is trained to neutralize the other segment in order to avoid coups d’état and for the survival of the Sissi’s presidency…

 

[The SC]

Power doesn't changes with few gadgets, it only changes when a ideology gets succeeded?
Israel with not much gadgets in its hands defeated Egyptians back in history!
When egypt had more power full military back then?
Israelis won beCause they have Thier ideology with them!
They stood on that and not only egypt but became the dictating Regime in that region?
So now that long range BVR missiles are for whom?
For Israel?
Or for who else in that region?
Cause egypt has no enemies?
Israel is it's friend, USA it's friends. Russia is it's friends!
So where Egyptian airforce will ever use these Missiles ?
Instead of that, Egypt should have made a few factories should have spent that money bringing more schools for education and would have worked for it's poor ppls instaed living in the fear of unknown?
These dictators, they live their lives on buying these high end gadgets but in case of Hussnie Mubarak, non of these gadgets saved him?

So much BS about your history talk.. Usrael only defeated the Arabs when it was backed by France and England after WWII.. the Arabs per se didn't even had armies at that time.. in 67 the US president asked Egypt not to start a war and then allowed Usrael to attack.. If Egypt would have ttacked with its over 300 fighters it would have won the war but then it would had to face the US troops and NATO too..In 1973 Egypt won the war and got back its land.. So get familiar with subjects then come talk..

Who are the Enemies of the US or Japan ?
Nations arm themselves to prevent and deter war and to protect their assets..Like Egyptian gas reserves worth $1.5 trillion ..do you understand now.. Egypt is far from being poor as you'd like to think.. Egypt is building 40 new 4th generation cities.. and the list of ongoing national projects is too long to tell here..

There is a whole big thread about the Egyptian recent projects.. you can go visit it .. I bet you will change your mind quicker than you can imagine..

Here you go..

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/egyp...development-projects-news-and-updates.517072/

 

[The SC]

OT:

According to what was announced by the Swedish company "Saab", the combat range of the long-range air combat missile Meteor reaches 170 km, with its no escape zone being the longest in the air-to-air missiles.

The longest kill zone was of the French MICA air combat missile with 60 km for the radar version and 40 km for the thermal version.

 

[Gomig-21]

I think you are living in fantasy island..Time, will prove that what I have written is more real than your nationalistic reply..Egypt turned to Russia for a reason, because that was the only decent military hardware that acquired for the time being..Let hope that Egypt doesn’t enter in any conflict, it will be sad for Egyptian to witness another disappointing Performance of it’s military equipment, as she did in 67.

lol. I love it when someone clearly loses the argument and can't refute the points one by one that I stated.

I didn't even mention the nuclear capability that India might've gotten that was not allowed to Egypt for obvious reasons. We're part of the NPT and want nothing to do with nukes. @Lord Of Gondor can correct me if I'm wrong or is India going to install its own nuclear option on its Rafales?

Anyway, I don't even know what made me challenge an Egypt hater to the core like you. I must be getting old and mindless but more like bored when I quote you to correct you. To think there are two variants of the Meteor is laughable beyond belief. Now that is the true definition of talking out of your bambolla lmao!

Even more laughable is bringing up 1967 looolloolololoool. Part of this generation that doesn't truly follow what is happening in Egypt militarily or is blinded by hatred is not even worth a precious minute. Hey, whatever makes you feel better.

OT:

According to what was announced by the Swedish company "Saab", the combat range of the long-range air combat missile Meteor reaches 170 km, with its no escape zone being the longest in the air-to-air missiles.

The longest kill zone was of the French MICA air combat missile with 60 km for the radar version and 40 km for the thermal version.

Now that's one of two versions, right? Cuz India got the real one but Egypt got a dilapidated version LMFAO! Oh ma goodness.

Hey, maybe our SCALPs are rated version 2 also? I mean, they do conform to ITAR regulations for cruise missiles after all looool.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

I didn't even mention the nuclear capability that India might've gotten that was not allowed to Egypt for obvious reasons. We're part of the NPT and want nothing to do with nukes. @Lord Of Gondor can correct me if I'm wrong or is India going to install its own nuclear option on its Rafales?

Yes it will be capable of flying strategic deterrence missions( Jaguars and Mirages are also capable of the same)

France and India concluded in 2008 a Security agreement, which legally binds the two States to protect the classified information provided by the partner, that could impact security and operational capabilities of the defence equipment of India or France. These provisions naturally apply to the IGA concluded on 23 September 2016 on the acquisition of 36 Rafale aircraft and their weapons

https://in.ambafrance.org/India

From the unclassified reports, some additions IAF got was the X-Guard Towed Decoy, additional low band jammers, Targo HMDS, Litening G4 and ability to use Israeli origin weapons operational in the fleet(SPICE family/Crystal Maze/Griffin LGB)
IAF recently acquired the Rampage missile as well, so maybe they will also form part of the weapons suite.

 

[Gomig-21]

Yes it will be capable of flying strategic deterrence missions

Perfect. Thank you for replying, ma brother. That right there you can only IMAGINE what it costs the IAF to be given that function/option on the Rafales and I'm guessing on all 36 must have that capability because of grounding issues brought up. If they would only designate let's say 10 or them with that rather costly function and 8 of those were grounded just for the simplest issues, like bugs jamming pitot tubes or whatever (I'm just throwing an example out there that might not necessarily apply to Rafales, but there are certain instruments that pick up air speed to convey to the super computers which then impact the FBWS and so a lady bug stuck in the air duct of whatever type of pitot tube immediately grounds that aircraft.) There there are a multitude of other things that can ground an aircraft to they must've added the nuke package worth who knows how much to the Indian bid.

From the unclassified reports, some additions IAF got was the X-Guard Towed Decoy, additional low band jammers, Targo HMDS, Litening G4 and ability to use Israeli origin weapons operational in the fleet(SPICE family/Crystal Maze/Griffin LGB)
IAF recently acquired the Rampage missile as well, so maybe they will also form part of the weapons suite.

Yep, EAF got the X-Guard Towed Decoy package and if the Typhoons are part of the Italian mega deal, those will also be equipped with those. Not sure about the additional low band jammers but sounds like an additional cost for the IAF.

Targo HMDS is a completely Israeli made HMDS and NO WAY JOSE gringo mingo mandigo would you find ANY Israeli tech of that or any caliber in the EAF. Qatar ordered them with their 36 aircraft but we were in no hurry and eventually will chose another option of the several units out there. Another costly item.

No Rampage missile for the EAF, just the AASM HAMMERS in a large batch of the 250kg & 500kg triple wracks and of course the MICA IM and ER I believe. My guess is India bough a crapload more than the EAF although we've been known to stock up big time on missiles for training so those came in the first order, not this one. They even claimed $200M allocated just for weapons which is a TINY number LOL!

SPECTRA, SCALPS (and according to Defense Arab that because of the complication with the US components) that Egypt ended up getting over 100 units when the order was originally for only 50.

Plus the additional 6 aircraft in the IAF purchase where Egypt order 30. Add 6 @ approx $130/150 million per and your looking at close to an additional billion $. How many simulators? Training, maintenance packages and a slew of additional items that come with the first order with was also SUPER expensive for us that we ordered only 24 instead of the maximum of 36 that Dassault offers at each order. Huge part of that was cost but because of the super advanced aircraft, they wanted to see how quick and well it will be absorbed into the EAF as our first 2-engined aircraft and they needed to put aside a ton of money to build the state of the art airbase strictly designated for the Rafales with HUUUGE, dedicated maintenance depot and ground control units etc. A lot of people just don't realize these things and that the 2nd and beyond orders bring the cost per aircraft down considerably. Buddy-Buddy refueling both air forces are getting that function also.

Also, Egypt is France's #1 arms export between all the naval ships worth over $12Billion IIRC ( @The SC ) correct me if I'm wrong ALSO influences a better price on the Rafales. Egypt's negotiators are some of the best in the world with what they've been able to purchase and still have $billions put aside despite the GIGANTIC purchases they've made. MashaAllah.

I really hope people read these posts so they can understand better, even those who hate us or have a little envy (that's ok even though it's haraam in Islam) it happens and you move on.

The goal is to reach somewhere between 72 and 80 Rafales. Hey, @Constantin84 , do you remember our conversation about the numbers of Rafales I predicted a couple of years ago the EAF needed? I said 80 at the least in order to make a significant impact and I think you said those aircraft are $180mill a piece and no way EAF can afford that. Honestly, I also had my doubts so not throwing that in your face, but I think they surprised us even with just this 50 aircraft orders, don't you think?

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Silly man , Egyptian military leadership is no where near Israel's military leadership and that's what matters the most not just advanced weapons.

Also not to mention cyber warfare and using spies , Israel even though I hate their government I can at least acknowledge the fact that their spies and cyber warfare is top notch.

Also have you seen Israeli pilots ? Those guys are crazy skilled

Israel has no advantage in Cyber warfare or any of that thing.. What sort of Military leadership? Lool. They got savaged by Hamas.. And you think they can take on 100mio armed to the teeth that can render their technology useless?

Don't be retarded. Broski Bangladesh can run thru Israel without breaking a sweat just with the ability to take the F-35s out of sky.. Hack Bangladesh can even do it without getting out of first gear.. It would have been Bangladesh's easiest war to date. This is 20s and beyond we are talking about..

To just make it fair lets say we provide Bangladesh with only lightly weapons and the ability to remove the F-35s out of the Skies? So sit down and visualize how Israel in that scenario can overcome Bangladesh? You will come to the realization 99.9% that it is gonna be a loss for Israel unless the leader of Bangladesh is born with Mongolid-handicap..

There is alot more things to war then hyperbolic or some comicbook like tales but it gets real once a collision occurs and that is what you must look at and completely isolate hype. You have to understand how modern warfare plays out.. Bangladesh can defeat Israel 99% of 100 times forget Egypt

 

[Abdelrahman]

What Egypt has sacrificed to get these missiles? There has to be something Arab nation has to give to get such concessions. After all, how will Israel allow such weapons to be transferred to an Arab nation?

All Islamic nations dealing with the USA got AIM 120 except of Egypt. Meaning that all of these nations had to sacrifice a lot while Egypt did not have to.

 

[The SC]

All Islamic nations dealing with the USA got AIM 120 except of Egypt. Meaning that all of these nations had to sacrifice a lot while Egypt did not have to.

It is not abot sacrifice.. The US does not trust Egypt with its most advanced technologies ..well at least before signing the CISMOA.. but then Another country must have handed the technology to China.. Either a Muslim country or Usrael..