Leaked report: Pakistan had 'major failures' during OBL incident

[Juice]

Discharged by whom?

And no, it wasn't his failure the most. It was a collective failure...of the whole security apparatus. Across the board. The political leadership does not go scotch free.

Just a heads up....the saying is "scot free"

 

[LiberalAtheist]

OBL died in 2001.

He never lived in Pakistan.

It was all staged to give Obama positive PR before the elections.

The US flew in stealth helicopters to drop off the well versed wives and children of bin laden who were trained to withstand the torture and questioning of ISI interrogators and they froze bin ladens blood and reheated it and spilled it all over along with some brains which couldn't be analyzed for DNA because we do not believe in those trivial things while living in this country. I guess we could have sent it abroad to get an answer but then we would have dubbed it a conspiracy theory like 9/11. It was a PR stunt for Obama and even if he got reelected because he killed the poster child of Alqaida, how does that change anything that happened? They now have helicopters that can not be detected. That is what I took from the story.

Yeah and the lochness monster and bigfoot is real, coke and pepsi are the same, and Ronald Reagan secretly approved of the spread of crack cocaine in HIV as a way to wipe out the poor

Give me a break you guys actually believe this sht that you are saying? Everyone even your own government has acknowledged he died the AQ themselves eulogized him the day after unless of course your apart of the brainwashed population of Pakistan who believe any conspiracy theory as a means to hide from the facts.

 

[Kompromat]

Yeah and the lochness monster and bigfoot is real, coke and pepsi are the same, and Ronald Reagan secretly approved of the spread of crack cocaine in HIV as a way to wipe out the poor

Give me a break you guys actually believe this sht that you are saying? Everyone even your own government has acknowledged he died the AQ themselves eulogized him the day after unless of course your apart of the brainwashed population of Pakistan who believe any conspiracy theory as a means to hide from the facts.

Lets just say its a conspiracy theory. You sound like the guy, who knows all, please answer the following questions.

* OBL was on dialysis in 1996,how did he survive for 10 years,undetected as well as in Tora Bora. No dialysis machine was recovered from the compound.

* Why was he treated in An American hospital in Dubai and was not arrested. two weeks before 9/11 ?

* Why did the US "refuse" Taliban offer to hand over bin laden in 2001 and instead went to war?

* 2 times Pakistani PM disclosed that OBL was dead.

* Ex Chief of Pakistani intelligence revealed that OBL is dead.

* Why there is no evidence of ANY kind presented to even allied govts, let alone the public?

* Why no DNA reports have been provided to any allied govt as a proof.

* Why was none of his wives seen physically ANYWHERE.

* Why was the OBL compound demolished as a result of the American pressure.

* Why no pictorial evidence of of his funeral etc was published....even a body bag.

* Why were 15 SEAL team six members killed in Afghanistan just 3 months later?

Yet, the betrayal did not stop there. On Aug. 6, 2011, a Chinook helicopter carrying 30 U.S. service members — including 15 SEAL Team 6 members — was shot down in Afghanistan. Everyone on board was killed. The rescue team was sent to aid an Army Ranger unit battling the Taliban and desperately in need of backup. The Chinook was shot down by a Taliban rocket-propelled grenade in Wardak province. Taliban fighters were waiting on three sides for the aircraft as it approached. The Chinook was a sitting duck as it hovered in the sky. The evidence is overwhelming and disturbing: SEAL Team 6 members were ambushed. It was America’s single greatest loss of life in Afghanistan and the largest number of SEALs ever killed in one incident in history.

Families of Navy SEALs killed in 2011 attack say government is to blame



I will not give a judgement, so please answer these specific questions with credible evidence.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Lets just say its a conspiracy theory. You sound like the guy, who knows all, please answer the following questions.

* OBL was on dialysis in 1996,how did he survive for 10 years,undetected as well as in Tora Bora. No dialysis machine was recovered from the compound.

* Why was he treated in An American hospital in Dubai and was not arrested. two weeks before 9/11 ?

* Why did the US "refuse" Taliban offer to hand over bin laden in 2001 and instead went to war?

* 2 times Pakistani PM disclosed that OBL was dead.

* Ex Chief of Pakistani intelligence revealed that OBL is dead.

* Why there is no evidence of ANY kind presented to even allied govts, let alone the public?

* Why no DNA reports have been provided to any allied govt as a proof.

* Why was none of his wives seen physically ANYWHERE.

* Why was the OBL compound demolished as a result of the American pressure.

* Why no pictorial evidence of of his funeral etc was published....even a body bag.

* Why were 15 SEAL team six members killed in Afghanistan just 3 months later?



Families of Navy SEALs killed in 2011 attack say government is to blame



I will not give a judgement, so please answer these specific questions with credible evidence.

First of all a majority of your reports are more than a decade old if your basing your wall of text on those reports than that pretty much explains itself.

After his death several prominent terrorist groups both in and outside of Pakistan eulogized him, AQ themselves confirmed his death and the subsequent PNS Mehran attack was the "revenge" attack planned by Ilyas Kashmiri in the aftermath unless of course your going to say that they were paid off to eulogize him and the Mehran attack was external forces trying to enhance the reality of OBL's death

Al-Qaida warns U.S. of ‘big revenge’ over Osama death

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/05/06/148081.html

Al-Qaeda vows revenge for bin Laden death - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English

and all the stuff your asking for DNA autopsy reports etc will never come out our government will simply not release anything of that nature it's been almost 50 years since President Kennedy was assassinated and his autopsy reports investigation is still classified to this day, our government will not even acknowledge that president Reagan had alzhemiers during the final years of his presidency why will they not release this information? go figure its uncle sam

but all the other questions you are bringing up are pointless as they relate to reports that are 10+ years old PNS Mehran and the Taliban suicide bombing that killed 80 people in the aftermath of his death didn't just "happen" they were a reaction to the credible announcement of his death. you might say that it was to pressure the PN to release suspected AQ supporters but one of your own says other wise

Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan

and also your government already agreed for such an operation to take place when Musharaf was in power if and when OBL was located and he was


Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan | World news | The Guardian


Deny it all you want with circumstanial reports/info it still does not mask the truth

"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal?INTCMP=SRCH

And you guys sure did put on a show for the international community perfectly acted out as according to the deal.

 

[Fracker]

I heard it was 2 divisions of dead Americans.....and at least 2 battalions of knocked out tanks.

Then you are deef, nothing person.

 

[Juice]

Then you are deef, nothing person.

You are derf, zero entity. (what the heck is "deef"?)

 

[Fracker]

You are derf, zero entity. (what the heck is "deef"?)

Deafness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Juice]

Deafness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What does "deafness" have to do with "deef"? Are you Roturtad? (I am just giving you guff.....I hate grammar Nazis. I actually thought "deef" was a local thing)

 

[Fracker]

What does "deafness" have to do with "deef"? Are you Roturtad? (I am just giving you guff.....I hate grammar Nazis. I actually thought "deef" was a local thing)

lol... an american and talking about grammar.

PS: it's not grammar but typo, first learn yourself what is different between grammar and Type Mistake then lecture others... Mr. Wanna be American...

 

[GURU DUTT]

Blame the terrorists. First and foremost. Especially the two Pakistanis who were directly involved in sheltering the ben mofo laden.

They were familiar with desi style existence, and thus were able to wiggle their way through the system and setup a safe house for ben mofo laden.


Beyond that, it is a lessons learned for pakistani nation.

1. We need to make sure no one can purchase land and build a house with fake IDs
2. When US or other big powers tell us that someone is hiding in our vast territory, we should listen and act




Hope this helps you understand.

I urge you and other Indians, that do not try to throw the baby out with the dirty bath water.

Islamists want to kill Pakistani army and intel folks using this occasion just like they have killed 50,000 already.

And Indians (especially Hindus) should not work as tool in the hand of Islamists.


peace to you.

May you live long and prosper

May you have great spiritual experience during this holy month.

Amen

Thanks Bhai may allah bless you and yopur family with all his grace and love and the holy month brings all you and your family desired and all there wishes get fullfilled during ramazan kareem ...amen

well bhai you nailed what i was talking about that this patvari/thana culture should end now and pakistanies start asking difficult questions from there govt and refuse active passive support to these so calle tabliqui jamats

Thanks

 

[muse]

The headmaster's lecture
Aasim Zafar Khan
Sunday, July 14, 2013


The recently leaked Abbottabad Commission's report on the Osama bin Laden (OBL) killing makes for riveting and tragic reading. Riveting because it reads quite like a Frederick Forsyth novel, with intrigue, danger, excitement, women, and violence. Tragic because it showcases institutional incompetence across the length and breadth of Pakistan's civil, military and intelligence quarters.

But first to the actual leak. If the grapevine is to be believed – and it ought to be believed – at least over official versions, then the OBL report was deliberately buried. Today, I'm told that Al Jazeera, the great bastion of Muslim news broadcasting, somehow acquired the report. What a scoop.

But as is the case in Pakistan, there's always a strange, unwarranted kneejerk reaction. As soon as the report was released online, the Al Jazeera website was blocked across the country.

What the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority doesn't get is that a very large number still made their way to the said document, and there was mass sharing of the document on social media platforms. I personally distributed at least fifty copies. Also funny is how an inquiry is now underway to figure out how it was leaked. Surely that's the most important matter at hand.

The OBL report should be mandatory reading for all Pakistanis. As another columnist wrote, it should be translated in Urdu and all other languages and given maximum airplay. I concur. This document details nearly everything that's wrong with Pakistan.

However, the timing of the leak is nearly godsend. It comes at a time when the country's leaders have 'begun to think about the need for a counterterrorism and national security policy'. And if indeed the government is serious and sincere about coming up with such a policy, then they must go through the OBL report in grave detail.

So what's there in the report? Well, to put it mildly, complete institutional incompetence. From the civvies to the khakis and the spooks: all found to be severely lacking. How this incompetence can be overcome before another US foray into Pakistani territory is anybody's guess, but the most glaring part of the report is how most of the non-civvies spoken to, consider the civvies idiots: the philosophical difference between a bloody civilian and an idiotic civvie.

On numerous occasions, numerous people are on record saying that the 'public doesn't understand...'

Let me be the voice of the public for one paragraph:

Dear Sirs, we, the public, being of limited intellect and intelligence, understand that a) you, either knowingly or unknowingly, let the most wanted man in the world hide in your underpants for a number of years; b) your spooks who supposedly 'are the best in the world' had no idea he was there (or had an idea and didn't tell); c) your defence mechanisms are so 'tight' that you allowed a foreign military incursion into your lands for nearly two hours, and the way you came to know it was on television, and finally by the time you leisurely arrived, the dance was over, and the prom queen was gone.

We understand that either you or yours knew something which we didn't and still don't, or that you really aren't fit for the jobs you're currently doing. But who are we to say? Just idiotic civvies.

To be honest, only two factors really matter. First, that Osama bin Laden shouldn't have been in Abbottabad, or any other area of Pakistan. And if he was, which he was, we should have found him before anyone else. Second, that the United States should not have managed to come in like they did, and manage to do what they did.

Going forward, the question to ask is this: is Ayman al Zwahiri hiding somewhere in Pakistan? Is there any effort underway to find out if he is or not? Have we learnt from the Abbottabad incident to ensure that if the United States decides once again to come deep into our territory, we will be able to stop them in time?

Back when we were in school, we had a very strict Urdu teacher. One of the boys played a prank on him, and the teacher lost it. "Who's the culprit?", he shouted. "Speak now, or else the entire class will be suspended". Nobody spoke. The teacher repeated his warning. Then one boy raised his hand and said, "It was I". Then another, and then another. Pretty soon, all the boys had raised their hands.

The teacher didn't know what to do. The entire class was suspended, and sent to the headmaster for caning. The headmaster, though, didn't cane all forty of us. He sent us back after a small lecture. Every boy smiled at the teacher as he walked in. The teacher was never the same again.

The OBL report is like that headmaster's lecture – it does nothing to ensure that the incompetence and failures that led to the Abbottabad incident won't be repeated.

The writer is a media consultant and trainer

 

[BATMAN]

90 year old OBL, with failed kidneys.

 

[BATMAN]

Younger OBL in 2004

Even more younger OBL in earlier photo.

 

[BATMAN]

Photo shop fail

 

[L@eeq]

a drama well staged and well organised.