LCA Tejas is inferior to JF-17 Thunder Block III: Chinese expert

[JafarQureshi]

Default response when dumbstruck?

Feb 27th, 2019 and Champions Trophy will keep haunting you. I am liking it.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Feb 27th, 2019 and Champions Trophy will keep haunting you. I am liking it.

So, that's your response to.

Before that, I guess there will be some sort of US-China war.

US sanctions haven't stopped the Iranians from flying US planes. I'm pretty sure that's not how sanctions work. Remotely turning off engines.

---------------------- lol.... Enough undue attention to trolls.

 

[Philip the Arab]

@masterchief_mirza
Want me to expand further with pictures, diagrams, specifications etc? I have compiled before map of Indian air force bases, and circles showing range of different MLRS China offers that offer accuracy good enough that a barrage of 72 rockets from different vehicles would be lethal to most if not all air bases targeted.

 

[Baba_Yaga]

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JFs with ASELSAN EW pods will take Tejas down without the blink of an eye....

ASELSAN claims it can intercept and jam and/or deceive hostile enemy radar emitters by analysing multi-target signals and automatically/manually generating an appropriate response.

The system uses similar technology to that used in ASELSAN's Land based KORAL Electronic Warfare system it introduced last year (see the pic below for capabilities).

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52506

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Can your country even build a mig 21 equivalent? Probably not, so you come here to impress us with this plastic crap built by university kids.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

@masterchief_mirza
Want me to expand further with pictures, diagrams, specifications etc? I have compiled before map of Indian air force bases, and circles showing range of different MLRS China offers that offer accuracy good enough that a barrage of 72 rockets from different vehicles would be lethal to most if not all air bases targeted.

Knowledgeable Sir, you're preaching to the long converted here.

I am a big fan of this doctrine of cheap and cheerful, high volume, high intensity fluster cluck offensive strategies which save precious pilots and aircraft for the defensive work. Pakistan proved its clever defensive strategies once last year, drawing the threat into a fatal trap. It should also have a solid attack plan in place for next time along the lines of what you said.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Knowledgeable Sir, you're preaching to the long converted here.

I am a big fan of this doctrine of cheap and cheerful, high volume, high intensity fluster cluck offensive strategies which save precious pilots and aircraft for the defensive work. Pakistan proved its clever defensive strategies once last year, drawing the threat into a fatal trap. It should also have a solid attack plan in place for next time along the lines of what you said.

Well Pakistan is doing fairly good now with the artillery purchase, and especially if GPS guided long range artillery shells are acquired. It can just launch 100s of shells towards the targets within range of striking distance.

 

[Trango Towers]

So you are the only person who has thought of taking out air fields and that with long range MLRS. There are no other options. And better options. Tut tut
[QUOlip the Arab, post: 12178532, member: 192012"]I really have hoped that Pakistan would have acquired long range MLRS to take out Indian air force bases but sadly this never happened so air superiority is even going to be harder then it would have been with long range(400 km) MLRS.

Tejas, Su-30, Mig-29 would be of no worry when PA could reliably destroy airport, and runways.[/QUOTE]

Well...i am not an expert here...But i see more it as an in house technological improvements which will be the foundation for the R&D process. Definitely, Chines R&D and JF series aircraft may be technologically advanced but that should not deter us to encourage our own in house defense programs.

Still what do u mean...waffle....say something

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

At least has more ground clearance. Rest JF17 is too far into it's life cycle. Tejas will have to play catch up.

 

[Kaniska]

At least has more ground clearance. Rest JF17 is too far into it's life cycle. Tejas will have to play catch up.

JF series is quite ahead in life cycle as it is already operational on the ground and China has the money to invest and improve its technology in short span of time

 

[GumNaam]

Guess you reached your intellectual capacity.

you should talk...an indian's intellectual capacity is exactly equal to their one and only discovery...JIRO!

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Can your country even build a mig 21 equivalent? Probably not, so you come here to impress us with this plastic crap built by university kids.

These "craps" are enough to put the Russian AD, including S-300/400, being operated by the Russian themselves into their places....

A single F-16 shot down two SUs in one shot as it's RADAR was off and BVR missiles were guided by the "link" from AWACs 100s of kms away from the border (all electronics are indigenous)...

Match these and then talk..

By the by, these stuffs are indeed from the "university kids", who are never short of hunger and enthusiasm for success, working day and night....

And, the following "mig-21 equivalents" are in the process of being made, and it won't take 40 years:

you should talk...and indians intellectual capacity is exactly equal to their one and only discovery...JIRO!

Tejas is like the Indian bachelors, ever in search for the brides with the right amount of dowry, forgetting about the certain conjugal performance parameters...

JF-17s are like the mad max Merts - ever ready to go at a moment's notice...​

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

LCA Tejas (FOC) fighter is inferior to JF-17 Thunder Block III: Chinese expert
Posted on March 25, 2020 by CAS editor | China-Arms


India’s first LCA “Tejas” FOC fighter made its first flight

Recently, after about 40 years of development, India’s first LCA “Tejas” light fighter aircraft that reached FOC (Full Operational Capability) successfully made its first flight.

LCA Tejas vs J-10
After the first flight of this LCA Tejas fighter, which reached full operational capability, Indian media cheered that the performance of the aircraft could be comparable to that of the Chinese J-10 fighter.

However, according to Chinese military analyst Huang Guozhi, no matter how the Indian Air Force’s LCA “Tejas” is improved, its design and positioning is only a light fighter, and its overall performance and development potential cannot compete with a quasi-medium fighter such as the J-10. The most likely to encounter with the LCA “Tejas” fighter on the battlefield is the Pakistani Air Force’s JF-17 “Thunder” fighter, as the two basically share the same mission and design positioning.


Indian Air Force has got its first LCA Tejas Fighter Squadron

LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder
Judging from the performance of the LCA “Tejas” fighter aircraft which has reached the state of full operational capability, it is at the same level as the JF-17 “Thunder” Block II fighter. For example, both types of fighters have the ability to receive oil in the air, but the installation position of the detachable oil receiving pipe is different – that of the LCA ” Tejas” is installed on the front side of the nose, while that of the JF-17 “Thunder” Block II fighter is installed in the side and rear of the cockpit – each has advantages and disadvantages from the perspective of combat use.

The biggest performance improvement of the LCA “Tejas” fighter (FOC) compared to the earlier model (IOC) is that it can launch the “Derby” medium-range air-to-air missile introduced from Israel, and the corresponding weapon on the JF-17 “Thunder” Block II fighter is an SD-10A medium-range air-to-air missile. As far as the performance of these two types of missiles is concerned, the JF-17 Thunder Block II fighter is relatively superior.

In terms of fire control radars, the LCA Tejas Fighter (FOC) is equipped with an EL/M-2032 mechanical scanning pulse Doppler radar developed by Israel Elta and the JF-17 Thunder Block II fighter is equipped with KLJ-7 mechanical scanning pulse Doppler radar which has basically the same performance.


The first batch of production-type LCA “Tejas” fighters cannot use medium-range air-to-air missiles

Huang pointed out that the only advantage of the LCA “Tejas” fighter (FOC) over the JF-17 “Thunder” Block II fighter should be in the power system. The LCA Tejas fighter (FOC) is equipped with a F404-GE-F2J3 medium-thrust turbofan engine, which is better than the Russian-made RD-93 turbofan engine on the JF-17 Thunder Block II fighter in the reliability, fuel consumption, and thrust. In addition, the LCA “Tejas” fighter (FOC) has an internal fuel capacity of 2,450 kg, which is higher than the 2,100 kg of the JF-17 “Thunder” Block II fighter.

However, with the smooth progress of the new generation JF-17 Thunder Block III fighter improvement project, the performance of the LCA Tejas fighter (FOC) has lagged behind.

The JF-17 Thunder Block III fighter has been upgraded with the advanced performance KLJ-7A active phased array radar, and the avionics system has also been completely upgraded, including a new integrated cockpit display system, wide-angle diffraction display, and new generation electronics Combat systems and helmet display sights. In particular, the JF-17 Thunder Block III will be equipped with a new generation of airborne missiles, including the PL-15E mid-range air-to-air missile and the PL-10E short-range combat air-to-air missile. It is no exaggeration to say that the JF-17 Thunder Block III fighter upgraded with some fifth-generation fighter technology is even more powerful than the most advanced F-16 Block 52 fighter currently in service in the Pakistan Air Force.


Less than 20 LCA Tejas fighters have been delivered so far

More importantly, the number of JF-17 Thunder Block I and Block II fighters in active service of the Pakistan Air Force has reached 100, and 35 more Block II and 28 Block III fighters have been ordered. In this way, in the next five years, the number of JF-17 Thunder fighters in active service of the Pakistan Air Force will reach at least 163.

In comparison, the Indian Air Force ordered 20 initial operational capability (IOC) LCA “Tejas” fighters in 2006, and then purchased 20 additional full operational capability status (FOC) LCA “Tejas” fighters in 2010. Only less than 20 of a total of 40 LCA Tejas fighters have been delivered so far, and various problems continue to emerge. Currently, the Indian Aviation Development Agency is negotiating with the Indian Air Force for the contract of the third batch of 83 upgraded LCA “Tejas” fighters. However, according to the current production speed of Hindustan Airlines, it will take 5-8 years to wait for the delivery of all 123 LCA Tejas fighters. At this time, it is likely that the sixth-generation aircraft of some major countries have already made their first flight.


LCA “Tejas” Mk2 retrofitted with canard wings

Tejas will continue to improve
Despite the difficult steps, the Indian Aviation Development Agency and Hindustan Airlines hope to continue to advance and expand the LCA “Tejas” fighter R&D project. According to the plan, both the initial operational capability type (IOC) and the full operational capability state type (FOC) belong to the first-generation LCA “Tejas” Mk1, and the third batch of 83 upgraded versions is LCA “Tejas” Mk1A.

The main improvement project is the reequipping of EL / M-2052 active phased array radar and F404-GE-IN20 turbofan engine with larger thrust.

Next, with the further support of the Indian government and the Indian Air Force, the Indian Aviation Development Agency and Hindustan Airlines will fully promote the development of the LCA “Tejas” Mk2. Compared with the LCA “Tejas” Mk1 / Mk1A, this type has increased the size and empty weight of the whole jet. The original small chord adds a pair of canard wings in front of the triangle main wing to form a canard delta wing layout. And more advanced F414 turbofan engine will be installed.


LCA “Tejas” Mk2 can carry multiple ammunitions

In addition, along with the aforementioned Air Force-type LCA Tejas fighter, there is also a navy type. Hindustan Airlines has produced each prototype of the single-seat and two-seat LCA Tejas carrier-based fighter jet and has successfully completed test flights.

However, the attitude of the Indian Navy is not clear. In the face of the already serving MiG-29K, as well as the strong competitors such as the French Rafale M and the American F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the LCA Tejas carrier-based fighter has no advantage at all.

In fact, the LCA “Tejas” fighter has already become one of the ” magic bargaining weapons” for the Indian government and the Indian military to negotiate with and purchase advanced fighters from foreign countries. Indian officials would threaten foreign arms dealers with the threat of “cancel XX project tenders and purchase domestic LCA ‘Tejas’ fighters” in order to drive down contract prices.

Unfortunately, this “trick” has long been seen through by many foreign arms dealers. “A domestic fighter aircraft regarded as the pride of Indian Air has fallen into such a fate, and the Tejas fighter has no “radiant” images,” said Huang.

Ohhh wait.....

Here the so called expert said that hal tejas is equal to jf 17 block 2. they are giving only one advantage for Chinese missile vs Derby missile ( still doubtful).

Then, they are comparing with hal tejas (foc standard) vs jf 17 block 3 and telling jf 17 is better....

But they are forgetting that true comparison should be hal tejas mk1a vs jf 17 block 3...

 

[Avatar]

These "craps" are enough to put the Russian AD, including S-300/400, into their places....

A single F-16 shot down two Sus in one shot as it's RADAR was off and BVR missiles were guided by the "link" from AWACs 100s of kms away from the border (all electronics are indigenous)...

Match these and then talk..

By the by, these stuffs are indeed from the "university kids", who are never short of hunger and enthusiasm for success, working day and night....

And, the following "mig-21 equivalents" are in the process of being made:


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Tejas is like the Indian bachelors, ever in search for the grooms with the right amount of dowry, forgetting about the certain conjugal performance parameters...

JF-17s are like the mad max Merts - ever ready to go at a moment's notice...​

I wish that there is no incident in the foreseeable future and you continue enjoying wet dreams like this.

 

[Baba_Yaga]

Tejas is like the Indian bachelors, ever in search for the grooms with the right amount of dowry, forgetting about the certain conjugal performance parameters...

JF-17s are like the mad max Merts - ever ready to go at a moment's notice...​

the level of sucking up is uncanny. Not seen a single turk on the forum so passionate about JF-17 and Pakistani/Indian affairs, why don't you come out with your real flag?

Also the next time you post aircraft pictures, post something that Turkey is actually planning to develop itself, not by copy pasting nato tech. For this particular aircraft

Aircraft design - From BAE Systems
Airframe - From the same facility that produces F35 airframes.

Like honestly, without NATO tech, Turkey couldn't build a car let alone an aircraft. Also please post actual proof that Turkey shot down an S400, rather than some of your wet dream ramblings. S400 in Syria is only in the hands of Russian troops. Had you targeted them, they would have levelled Istanbul to the ground. Turkey like an insect compared to Russia, if it doesn't behave, it will be spanked back into place, that's why Erdogan behaves like a poodle when in front of Putin.

 

[KaiserX]

the level of sucking up is uncanny. Not seen a single turk on the forum so passionate about JF-17 and Pakistani/Indian affairs, why don't you come out with your real flag?

Also the next time you post aircraft pictures, post something that Turkey is actually planning to develop itself, not by copy pasting nato tech. For this particular aircraft

Aircraft design - From BAE Systems
Airframe - From the same facility that produces F35 airframes.

Like honestly, without NATO tech, Turkey couldn't build a car let alone an aircraft. Also please post actual proof that Turkey shot down an S400, rather than some of your wet dream ramblings. S400 in Syria is only in the hands of Russian troops. Had you targeted them, they would have levelled Istanbul to the ground. Turkey like an insect compared to Russia, if it doesn't behave, it will be spanked back into place, that's why Erdogan behaves like a poodle when in front of Putin.

For once I agree with an indian on this forum... lets not give credit where it is not due...

Ohhh wait.....

Here the so called expert said that hal tejas is equal to jf 17 block 2. they are giving only one advantage for Chinese missile vs Derby missile ( still doubtful).

Then, they are comparing with hal tejas (foc standard) vs jf 17 block 3 and telling jf 17 is better....

But they are forgetting that true comparison should be hal tejas mk1a vs jf 17 block 3...

Lets see one is actually battle proven and has been in service continuously for over a decade whereby the other... no comparison. Lets just be honest with ourselves without internal bias for once bud