LCA-Tejas fires Derby BVRAAM, Clears Critical FOC Milestone

[PurpleStone]

1. LCA can fly for 59 mins while Grippen can fly for 3 hours.

Ans: That is impossible since BOTH the aircrafts have the SAME internal Fuel capacity i.e. ~3000 Liters AND have the same engine.

Weight counts...

 

[Shankranthi]

Weight counts...

Really ?

In which case tell us, Gripen with 8 ton weight +3 ton fuel vs LCA MK2 with 6.2 ton weight + 3 ton fuel, which will fly longer ?

F##$Ing ugly plane with a shitty name. People in this project should be shot along with their family for the billions of $ they looted in tax payers money due to their gross incompetence.

Billions ? do't you mean the single 1 billion that was spent ?

 

[punit]

good its future plane

 

[hussain0216]

The report you shared is full of nonsense and a marketing article.

Tejas recently flew six sorties daily continuously. Let's see if Gripen can do that in deserts.

The Bollywood tamasha you talk about is simply the agencies issuing reports in the name of transparency. It is this same transparency that lets you make fun of us.
The issue is that your info is outdated and/or from marketing articles from other aircraft manufacturers.

Even today, your own experts would argue that your aircraft in full service can't fire certain missiles.
That's the difference.

Different thing. Hot refuelling is done on the ground with the engine running and pilot inside.

Sure buddy sure its all a marketing article

Tejas dosent have a mountain load of faults and it has endlessly been delayed not to try to fix its multiple failings but to let it mature like a fine wine

Frankly I would trust your numerous marketing articles as the reason why decade after decade has passed without major numbers being inducted and why your military has been so hesitant to take the plane over the years upon years of droolings by dum fuk fanboy indians

 

[ssethii]

Obviously we don't have the luxury of inducting things with just one or no test like you guys

Nobody expects a new fighter to take on the duties of the predecessors form day 1. It takes some time before it gets absorbed completely.

 

[PurpleStone]

Nobody expects a new fighter to take on the duties of the predecessors form day 1. It takes some time before it gets absorbed completely.

That's the part fan boys don't understand. They think pilots will start firing in their first sortie like in video games.

 

[ssethii]

That's the part fan boys don't understand. They think pilots will start firing in their first sortie like in video games.

I'm no experts but all it takes is some common sense to understand that and here we are talking about a very complex system like a fighter aircraft for reference. Actually, we the subcontinental subhumans are busy measuring d''k sizes and the world is silently moving ahead in every other field. In past, we were dependant on American and Russians now they are being replaced with Chinese and Japanese. We are still held in that slave mindset that was embedded in our forefathers a century ago.

 

[randomradio]

There are only 3 points made in the entire article. All of them can be easily refuted.

1. LCA can fly for 59 mins while Grippen can fly for 3 hours.

Ans: That is impossible since BOTH the aircrafts have the SAME internal Fuel capacity i.e. ~3000 Liters AND have the same engine.

Yes. LCA Mk1 outranges the Gripen C by 100Km. The Mk1A will do more.

2. LCA needs 20 hrs maintenance vs 6 hrs for Grippen.

Ans: Maintenance hours put in is a function of the confidence of the pilots in the fighter plane. An entirely new genus of aircraft necessarily results naturally in greater wariness of the pilots and their requirement that even the minutest doubts they may have be addressed.

It has NOTHING to do with the reliability of the Aircraft.

That number is only for the prototypes. The Mk1A will drastically improve on that number.

3. HAL has not been able to meet production target.

Ans: This is the only part that is true, which is why HAL has taken 2 important steps to address it.

i.) Start a SECOND production line
ii.) Outsource major sub-assemblies, including front fuselage, centre fuselage, rear fuselage and wings, to private industry.

No truth to it. HAL is increasing production numbers based on orders.

For an order of 40 aircraft, 8 per year was enough.
Anticipating an additional order of 83 jets, HAL has set up a second line of 3 per year and a third line of 8 per year.
With the Mk2 given the green signal by the IAF, HAL can increase the production rate by another 8 per year, there is enough infrastructure in Bangalore for that. That will bring the total to 27/year.

The third line of 8 per year was given clearance by the CCS only in Feb 2017. So it's obvious HAL needs at least 2 years to set up this line and increase production to 19/year.

 

[Shamsher1990]

F##$Ing ugly plane with a shitty name. People in this project should be shot along with their family for the billions of $ they looted in tax payers money due to their gross incompetence.

Entire funding of the project was less than 1 billion dollar ...

 

[Shamsher1990]

Weight counts...

Not exactly.
Lets do some back of the envelop calculations, shall we?

F-404-IN has a specific fuel consumption of about 82.6 KG per KN-Hour.
At maximum non-wet thurst of 53 KN, this will consume 4377 KG of fuel in hour.

Tejas carries 2458 KG fuel internally and externally (1200 + 1200 + 750 Litres) * 0.8 (specific density of jet fuel) = 4978 KG.

4978.0 KG will certainly give you more than 59 minutes of engine running at the maximum thrust. That is assuming that Tejas always will keep the engine at full power. I doubt that is the case.

 

[Tea addict]

We've the habit of publishing/publicising the worst case since selling aircrafts to others is the business of the white man and not ours.
As a result, Tejas on paper can only fly 400-500 km and for only 59 minutes.

Who cares about technicalities like combat radius and ferry range and so on.
So, our neighbour has a less advanced aircraft of the same class that flies thousands of kilometres against our silly plane that flies 500 km.

How sad. I even heard 250 km.
We're doomed.

Yes their Russian engine is less efficient than our American , their aircraft is relatively heavier and almost same max take off weight and it flies 1300 kms while tejas fly 500km?

 

[MimophantSlayer]

There are only 3 points made in the entire article. All of them can be easily refuted.

1. LCA can fly for 59 mins while Grippen can fly for 3 hours.

Ans: That is impossible since BOTH the aircrafts have the SAME internal Fuel capacity i.e. ~3000 Liters AND have the same engine.

2. LCA needs 20 hrs maintenance vs 6 hrs for Grippen.

Ans: Maintenance hours put in is a function of the confidence of the pilots in the fighter plane. An entirely new genus of aircraft necessarily results naturally in greater wariness of the pilots and their requirement that even the minutest doubts they may have be addressed.

It has NOTHING to do with the reliability of the Aircraft.

3. HAL has not been able to meet production target.

Ans: This is the only part that is true, which is why HAL has taken 2 important steps to address it.

i.) Start a SECOND production line
ii.) Outsource major sub-assemblies, including front fuselage, centre fuselage, rear fuselage and wings, to private industry.

A 3rd production line in Nekkundi will be in operation next year.
The current production rate is 5 per year for the main Tejas division and 3 per year for the former Kiran Hanger, the Nekkundi one will produce 16 a year to bring up the production rate to the promised 16 per year.

 

[Storm Force]

WOW what is that BEAUTIFUL PLANE ............ Next to the MIGHTY SU30MKI ????

WOW what is that BEAUTIFUL PLANE ............ Next to the MIGHTY SU30MKI ????

I COULD swear THIS IS indian very own TEJAS