LCA tejas fighting fit

[Beta-Fighter]

Oh the wise one. Start comparing JF-17 with LCA. Lets see where JF-17 falls short off. Began

you have any video of JFT firing Bullets?
You have any video of JFT firing LGB's?

Can you Quote the status of IOC/ FOC? parameter for JF-17 IOC / FOC?

let me tell you , Tejas FOC's One parameter is it should have Fuel Probe. / can fire bullets / Can have Beyond Visual A2A and should have LBG's.

Now compare you JF-17, LBG's and Firing bullet and fuel probe parameters

Here comes the Retard fighter with its brain farts. Dont you understand the concept of light weight fighter designed to replace light wieght aircrafts hence Pakistan buying heavy weight fighters from somewhere else ?

I wont even comment on the rest of post. You better see a psychiatrist.

Is F-16 heavy or Light Fighter? What happened to your Deep then Ocean friends plane which are keep planning form last 5 years heavy plane from them.

i really hope india add this as a work horse in IAF

PAF will enjoy many easy shots in future

when you sabres was shot down with world war-II plans , what else one can say about PAF planes.....BTW india rejected F-16 because it failed in test, which is PAF best plane but failed in IAF tests.

 

[Leviza]

you have any video of JFT firing Bullets?
You have any video of JFT firing LGB's?

Can you Quote the status of IOC/ FOC? parameter for JF-17 IOC / FOC?

let me tell you , Tejas FOC's One parameter is it should have Fuel Probe. / can fire bullets / Can have Beyond Visual A2A and should have LBG's.

Now compare you JF-17, LBG's and Firing bullet and fuel probe parameters
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Are you drunk or stupid enough to not get the point ?
IT was nothing related to JF17 - why bringing in it ? what ever JF 17 is , we know about it and here in this thread lets talk about this $h1t .. which you call LCA

• What i posted was relates to few threads coming last week about modi putting this incomplete LCS onto IAF
• There is another Thread which came early this week - LCA with 58 or more areas of not just improvement but risks associated .
• Then there is another thread early this week about LCA putting IAF way behind infront of others and IAF need to increase purchases of F blah blah fighters

If you still didn't get above point and bringing in JF17, i can only doubt your brain state ... no worries but do not try to answer this .. without putting up mature arguments why suddenly LCA became fighting fit when IAF blaming gov to pushing it down on them when they need more advance fighters ...

But leave it you are an indian and i can't and have never got proper evidence based arguments from indians before and i don't think i will ever have ..

On top of that with just 353 posts and very new to the forum ... learn that in LCA thread, brining in JF17 wont help your arguments

 

[Beta-Fighter]

Are you drunk or stupid enough to not get the point ?
IT was nothing related to JF17 - why bringing in it ? what ever JF 17 is , we know about it and here in this thread lets talk about this $h1t .. which you call LCA

• What i posted was relates to few threads coming last week about modi putting this incomplete LCS onto IAF
• There is another Thread which came early this week - LCA with 58 or more areas of not just improvement but risks associated .
• Then there is another thread early this week about LCA putting IAF way behind infront of others and IAF need to increase purchases of F blah blah fighters

If you still didn't get above point and bringing in JF17, i can only doubt your brain state ... no worries but do not try to answer this .. without putting up mature arguments why suddenly LCA became fighting fit when IAF blaming gov to pushing it down on them when they need more advance fighters ...

But leave it you are an indian and i can't and have never got proper evidence based arguments from indians before and i don't think i will ever have ..

On top of that with just 353 posts and very new to the forum ... learn that in LCA thread, brining in JF17 wont help your arguments

Lol hilarious is when you people saying Tejas is bla bla bla and when JFT has 2 sqn etc.

Well one can look in the way , Indian Govt doing the Right thing look at PAK they inducted the plane which are not even ready . so why PAK people are having so much pain in telling us what to do with Tejas is ready or not.

BTW, did you got the point ? The news is spread by French news agency and real news is Tejas is ready.

 

[majid mehmood]

guys jft can carry more payload than tejas and its ceiling service its better than tejas
jft has low rcs due to dsi and 10% ram coating
for radar kljv2 has stated range of 130 km for 5m2
but for elta radar i cnnot tell because there is no range provided with rcs
with above summarized specs jft is better than tejas

 

[Leviza]

Lol hilarious is when you people saying Tejas is bla bla bla and when JFT has 2 sqn etc.

Well one can look in the way , Indian Govt doing the Right thing look at PAK they inducted the plane which are not even ready . so why PAK people are having so much pain in telling us what to do with Tejas is ready or not.

BTW, did you got the point ? The news is spread by French news agency and real news is Tejas is ready.

LOL indian mentality ... do not answer with the proper argument and start pointing towards others ..

What ever with JF17 ... its not a issue for this thread

Why IAF was asking GOV for advance fighters ?
WHY IAF pointed out 58 defects in LCA ?
WHY in a day LCA is fighting ready ?

If you do not have any answers to these question then , lets stop this debate right here as your brain is not working properly

I am not going to reply for any of your posts in this thread, if you cant put anything for above questions ......

 

[raj76]

LOL indian mentality ... do not answer with the proper argument and start pointing towards others ..

What ever with JF17 ... its not a issue for this thread

Why IAF was asking GOV for advance fighters ?
WHY IAF pointed out 58 defects in LCA ?
WHY in a day LCA is fighting ready ?

If you do not have any answers to these question then , lets stop this debate right here as your brain is not working properly

I am not going to reply for any of your posts in this thread, if you cant put anything for above questions ......

1st not 58 defects its shortcomings and when we say shortcomings we compare with the best of jets out there not with jf17 2nd its flying from 6+ yrs only lacked few attacking options and tbh no one in pdf reperesents hal or drdo to give daily reports about tejas whats happening on daily basis

 

[cerberus]

Guys jft can carry more payload than tejas and its ceiling service its better than tejas

JF -17 has Max. takeoff weight: 12,500 kg (28,000 lb)

LCA Has Max. takeoff weight: 13,200 kg (29,100 lb)

jft has low rcs due to dsi and 10% ram coating

The Tejas employs C-FC materials for up to 45% of its airframe by weight,
Its Reported that LCA RCS is 2/3 below that of Mirage-2000

for radar kljv2 has stated range of 130 km for 5m2

First forty production Jf-17 Aircraft basic KLJ-7 FCR T

but for elta radar i cnnot tell because there is no range provided with rcs
with above summarized specs jft is better than tejas

The operation range for targets with a radar cross-section (RCS) of 5 m2 (54 sq ft) is stated to be ≥ 105 km (65 mi) in look-up mode and ≥ 85 km (53 mi) in look-down mode.

but for elta radar i cnnot tell because there is no range provided with rcs
with above summarized specs jft is better than tejas

LCA uses Elta 2032 which has 150 Km against small fighters
EL/M-2032 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[singh sahab]

1st not 58 defects its shortcomings and when we say shortcomings we compare with the best of jets out there not with jf17 2nd its flying from 6+ yrs only lacked few attacking options and tbh no one in pdf reperesents hal or drdo to give daily reports about tejas whats happening on daily basis

I do.

HAL

 

[zebra7]

LOL indian mentality ... do not answer with the proper argument and start pointing towards others ..

What ever with JF17 ... its not a issue for this thread

Why IAF was asking GOV for advance fighters ?
WHY IAF pointed out 58 defects in LCA ?
WHY in a day LCA is fighting ready ?

If you do not have any answers to these question then , lets stop this debate right here as your brain is not working properly

I am not going to reply for any of your posts in this thread, if you cant put anything for above questions ......

1. IAF is asking Govt for the Medium category fighter and LCA is light category thats why it do not participated in MMRCA.
2. IAF haven't pointed out defects, they only give ASQR, its the CAG an independent auditing authority, which is not in Pakistan which gives its recommendation on the basis of the reports presented to them. They can also point out if the danger sticker is not there if shown in the design paper, By the way that was the shortfall like validation and certification of some avionics, or aerial fuel probe installation. Most of them will be fulfilled in FOC, and some related to STR which needs more powerful engine in MK2.
3. From the first day of the IOC it was ready for the COAS and was the superlative lift with precission attack LGP and helmet guided Wvr ready. FOC is only the simple touch ups and some paper work.

 

[Bratva]

you have any video of JFT firing Bullets?
You have any video of JFT firing LGB's?

Can you Quote the status of IOC/ FOC? parameter for JF-17 IOC / FOC?

let me tell you , Tejas FOC's One parameter is it should have Fuel Probe. / can fire bullets / Can have Beyond Visual A2A and should have LBG's.

Now compare you JF-17, LBG's and Firing bullet and fuel probe parameters





Is F-16 heavy or Light Fighter? What happened to your Deep then Ocean friends plane which are keep planning form last 5 years heavy plane from them.


when you sabres was shot down with world war-II plans , what else one can say about PAF planes.....BTW india rejected F-16 because it failed in test, which is PAF best plane but failed in IAF tests.

Yes we have all the videos of JF-17 flying and firing everything and status of FOC for JF-17 was declared as well. But Ask these questions in JF-17 verbatim. I will answer your there.

A person who doesn't even know F-16 is a MMRCA isn't worth replying . I wonder what is your IQ level btw? Minus 1 ? No No I have to ask you suffering from autism ?

JF -17 has Max. takeoff weight: 12,500 kg (28,000 lb)

LCA Has Max. takeoff weight: 13,200 kg (29,100 lb)

The Tejas employs C-FC materials for up to 45% of its airframe by weight,
Its Reported that LCA RCS is 2/3 below that of Mirage-2000


First forty production Jf-17 Aircraft basic KLJ-7 FCR T


he operation range for targets with a radar cross-section (RCS) of 5 m2 (54 sq ft) is stated to be ≥ 105 km (65 mi) in look-up mode and ≥ 85 km (53 mi) in look-down mode.
LCA uses Elta 2032 which has 150 Km against small fighters
EL/M-2032 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since you know it all. Can you tell me how much maintenance intensive Tejas are?

 

[Beta-Fighter]

Yes we have all the videos of JF-17 flying and firing everything and status of FOC for JF-17 was declared as well. But Ask these questions in JF-17 verbatim. I will answer your there.

yes would love to see JF-17 firing bullets . which i haven't seen.

I asked simple question : What your FOC standards? Didn't you know you don't know how to read english?
In IAF FOC , The plane should have External Fuel Probe

In PAF FOC, the External Fuel should be present or Not?

OK i will ask you in JFT Threat.

A person who doesn't even know F-16 is a MMRCA isn't worth replying . I wonder what is your IQ level btw? Minus 1 ? No No I have to ask you suffering from autism ?
Since you know it all. Can you tell me how much maintenance intensive Tejas are?

Well We know MMRAC , may you people dont know , didnt you people trying to get SU-27 Copy from china and F-16 inspired model from china from last 5 years, Goto PDF pages and you will find lot of discussion PAF buying this and that from China.

 

[Leviza]

1. IAF is asking Govt for the Medium category fighter and LCA is light category thats why it do not participated in MMRCA.
2. IAF haven't pointed out defects, they only give ASQR, its the CAG an independent auditing authority, which is not in Pakistan which gives its recommendation on the basis of the reports presented to them. They can also point out if the danger sticker is not there if shown in the design paper, By the way that was the shortfall like validation and certification of some avionics, or aerial fuel probe installation. Most of them will be fulfilled in FOC, and some related to STR which needs more powerful engine in MK2.
3. From the first day of the IOC it was ready for the COAS and was the superlative lift with precission attack LGP and helmet guided Wvr ready. FOC is only the simple touch ups and some paper work.

Thanks for the answers ... that was my actual point my friend ... point 2 and 3 .. basically based on these standard and data , we can clearly say it should not classed as fighting ready or fit .. apart from Pakistan and India thing .. I do appreciate LCA team efforts...

These short falls like
Validation and certification of some avionics,
Aerial fuel probe installation
Powerful engine in MK2.
i dont see them some touchups and paper work, but i agree with you even without these FOC its still a fighter ... it can take on few older plans but when india thinking to making LCA to take on Chenies J- Series , they still need way forward thinking, or get Advance fighters in MMRCA which is reduced by GOV and IAF is not happy by it..

I hope this does not start another chapter...

 

[#hydra#]

I think your arguments are quite Sane and i admit this coould be the first time i have seen a rational Indian over here .As Arch rival i would love to see your Air force go down .But as an Engineer i believe this bird should be given chance as by not choosing is waste of 20 + years of hard work for local tech,scientist ,Multi Billion Dollars of tax payer money .No wonder Indians think jf-17 being obsolte probably it is decent but no advance to likes of rafael and Flanker but for me building and rights of producing is more important and self reliance has its own advantage .I always remmeber WW2 where Russian crude tanks outnumbered far far superor German tanks .

Quantity has its own quality.

 

[cerberus]

Validation and certification of some avionics,

Please Specify those Avionics As per Declared Press Release of MOD all these things Achieved during IOC-2
Press Information Bureau

Powerful engine in MK2.

LCA uses GE404-IN20 Turbofan with Dry Thrust of 54 kN compared to 51.2 kN of JF-17.

Aerial fuel probe installation

Will be integrate before FOC

 

[#hydra#]

Please Specify those Avionics As per Declared Press Release of MOD all these things Achieved during IOC-2
Press Information Bureau

LCA uses GE404-IN20 Turbofan with Dry Thrust of 54 kN compared to 51.2 kN of JF-17.

Will be integrate before FOC

Can you pls tell me what is the rate of climb of tejas & jf17. I tried to Google it but failed.