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Qur'an was well documented and committed to memory during the time of revelation. When it was revealed prophet Muhammad (pbuh) memorised it and commanded the scribes of revelation to record it and they did. He also used to command his companions to commit it to memory. The Qur'an was, at intervals, revealed by Allah to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) through the angel Gabriel, who used to revise the Qur'an with prophet Muhammad once a year but the year the prophet died, the revision was only made twice. When any part of the Qur'an was revealed, the prophet would tell the scribes where to place it. In other words, it was also revealed to prophet Muhammad how to arrange the verses and how to arrange the Surahs (chapters), and then he conveyed this to the scribes.

Since paper manufacture was only discovered relatively recently, the materials the scribes used in the old days to record the revelations and history, varied. Some used stones; many discoveries were carved on stones, whereas some used leather and so on. Various other materials like parchment and bones were also used to record the Qur'an.

When Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) died, the whole Qur’an was memorized and written down but not in one volume.


Collecting the Quran

The First Step

Abu Baker was the first Muslim Caliph. A Caliph was a Muslim ruler. After the demise of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) he was nominated to be the leader of Muslims. During his reign, Islam was targeted and many hufaz (people knowing the Qur’an by heart) were martyred. In Muslim history, it is narrated that over seventy hufaz were martyred in one event called the ‘Ahlulyamamah’.


Omar Ibn Al-Khattab went to the Muslim Caliph, Abu Bakr, and expressed his concerns about the preservation of the Qur’an to him. He suggested that the Qur’anic records would be collected in one place. So Abu Bakr commissioned a group of the prophet’s companions headed by Zaib Ibn Thabit, a companion of prophet Muhammad and one of the scribes of the Quran, to collect the Quranic records. These records were then kept with Abu Bakr and after his death Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, the second Muslim Caliph, preserved them and they were kept afterwards with Hafsa, the prophet’s wife.


How did Zaid Ibn Thabit collect the Qur’an?
He depended on two sources:


1. Oral Source: Many people memorised the Qur’an by heart during the lifetime of prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Muslims believe firmly that there is a great reward, in the hereafter, for memorising the Qur’an. Again Muslims believe that the Qur’an is Allah’s word and reciting it is an act of worship. This urged Muslims to recite frequently. Bearing in mind that Zaid himself was one of the hufaz, he collected the Qur’an from the hearts of groups and not individuals. Members of these groups had to recite the same words by heart in order to be considered trustworthy.


2. Written Source: Zaid collected what was proved authentic, to be recorded. To make sure that it was done in this way, Zaid did not accept any writings unless two just people bore witness that they were written before prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It is narrated that Abu Bakr commanded Omar and Zaid to sit at the gate of the mosque and record only what was verified by two witnesses.


The Second Step
During the era of the second and third Muslim Caliphs, Islam had expanded and many people from different countries embraced Islam. Some of the new Muslims were non-Arabs and it was not easy for them to read the Qur’an because it was in Arabic. But the Qur’an is one of the main sources of Islam. There was no other alternative but to learn the Qur’an, so Muslim Caliphs sent the prophet’s companions to teach them the Qur’an. But this did not solve the problem. People read the Qur’an in various ways but the proper intonation is very important. When Othman, the third Muslim Caliph, heard about this, he called for a meeting. The companions of prophet Muhammad assembled and discussed the issue. They reached a consensus and agreed to make copies of the Qur’anic records collected by Zaid Ibn Thabit in the reign of the first Muslim Caliph, Abu Bakr and send them all over the Muslim countries.


How did Othman do this?
He nominated four of the prophet’s companions who were hufaz to do this job.

1 Zaid Ibn Thabit: He was from Medina and he was the one that Abu Bakr, the first Muslim caliph, nominated to collect the Qur'an. He is one of the scribes of the Qur'an. He died in 45 Hj.
2 Abdullah Ibn Al-Zubair died in 73 Hj.
3 Sa’id Ibn AL-Aas died in 58 Hj.
4 Abdulrahman Ibn Al-Harith died in 43 Hj.
In fulfilling this job they used a very accurate method based on the Qur’anic Records, collected during the era of the first Muslim Caliph, Abu Bakr as the main source.
This was done under the supervision of Othman Ibn Affan, the third Muslim Caliph and the most eminent figures of the companions of prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Many copies were made and sent to different Muslim places. Not only this, but with every copy one of the companions of the prophet was sent to teach people the correct recitation of the Glorious Qur’an.
Conclusion
In summary, the Quran passed through three phases:

1 Recording it during the time of revelation
2 Collecting the Qur’anic Records during the era of the First Muslim Caliph, Abu Bakr
3 Making copies of the Qur’anic records.

In the first stage the Qur’an was written on different materials e.g. bones and parchment.

In the second stage Abu Bakr, the first Muslim Caliph, collected all the Qur’anic records.

In the third stage Othman Ibn Affan, the third Muslim Caliph, copied all the Quranic records collected by Abu Bakr in one book and made many copies of them.

The unquestioned authenticity of the Qur’an and its contents can be proven through history, as explained shortly above. The fact that the Qur’an, which was revealed 1400 years ago is still intact and upheld is also confirmation of its truth. Another important fact is the consistency of the Qur'an - all Muslims all over the word have the same Qur’an. There is no variance in its translation. If you take a copy of the Qur’an, open any chapter, select any verse and choose any word, then travel to any part of the world, and open the same chapter and the same verse and the same word, you will find that it is the same. As well as this, there are no paradoxes in the Qur’an. @Aeronaut @Xeric


Nobody is attacking the Quran,i think the problem is that some muslims understand the Quran just as much as looney tune evanghelical christian Bush understood the Bible and the voices that told him to attack Irak in a fight against satan.
 
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I have read sections of it.
However since your fact on the first post was wrong - about Indian Marriage Act, its safe to say you are either did not read the Constitution and were lying or you did not comprehend.

The FACT still remains the same.

There is NO Sikh Marriage act till even today because the Indian constitution denies Sikhs the right to self determination simply by classifying them as Hindus, hence establishing that they have no identity of their own.

Even today Sikhs either marry under the Hindu act or under Anand Marriage Act which is NOT a Sikh marriage act but a compromise.

For allowing the Sikhs to have a Sikh marriage act the Indian constitution would need to be ammended especially the articles 24/25.

Hindu elite wont do it, because this would grant Sikhs a constitutional identity which means they can claim the right to self determination as per the Indian constitution which would open a new pandora's box.
 
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Fine @Contrarian I am not soo unreasonable to not accept a simple request...I will remove your name off it! Happy?
 
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Again Pakistani hypocrisy is exposed. Pakistanis go an ranting about the rights of minorities in India when in their own country Hindu girls are forced to convert to Islam or get killed.

Although Quotas are somewhat debatable I have always believed that anyone who is economically weak should be allowed Education and Jobs in the Govt irrespective of religion. And Muslims in India have been beneficiaries of this scheme while agreeing that most Muslims are not doing great financially or socially.
Do you think that Religion matters for jobs in Pakistan ?
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None, just had to give a reality check. Indian constitution still recognises Sikhs as Hindus, effectively denying them the right to self determination.



Don't give yourself too much importance. No one supports Sikhs, Khalistan and other stupid aspirations they have.

We supported Khalistan (Gen Akhtar abdul rehman's idea , later by General Nasir, both heads of ISI ) to make Hindus kill Sikhs because they owed us a debt for killing our people during migration and to create tools we could use to our advantage, including killing an Indian prime minister who had supported Mukhti Bhini, invaded Pakistan, tested nukes 50 miles from our border, conspired to attack kahuta and was planning another invasion of Pakistan.

Her plan was later adopted as operation brasstacks which ended in failure. Killing her was also of vital importance due to her very close connections with the KGB which was making inroads into Afghanistan (pre invasion), while having a reliable ally on the other side of Pakistan, ready and willing to invade in sync with USSR.

We aided Khalistanis to use them to first draw her to attack golden temple, since she loved using brute force more than her brain, then to use the leverage created out of the outrage (we manufactured) as a consequence of the op blue star to find suitable operatives to kill her.

Killing her denied USSR a dependable and willing ally and dashed USSR's designs. It also bought us time to mature our nukes and to carry out cold testing.

Since we played Sikhs against govt and govt against the Sikhs, we weren't blamed which spared us a potential war, had a Pakistani blackop been captured trying to kill a serving Indian PM. When Indian govt struck Sikhs in the golden temple and after Indra received a shaft, even then no blame went to us. Thats what i call a finely planned and executed op.

Once both of our objectives were met, we pulled the plug from Khalistanis since their services were no longer needed.

Cheers.

@ranjeet

Minorities need to fit in or leave. We'll offer no 'lip service'.
None, just had to give a reality check. Indian constitution still recognises Sikhs as Hindus, effectively denying them the right to self determination.



Don't give yourself too much importance. No one supports Sikhs, Khalistan and other stupid aspirations they have.

We supported Khalistan (Gen Akhtar abdul rehman's idea , later by General Nasir, both heads of ISI ) to make Hindus kill Sikhs because they owed us a debt for killing our people during migration and to create tools we could use to our advantage, including killing an Indian prime minister who had supported Mukhti Bhini, invaded Pakistan, tested nukes 50 miles from our border, conspired to attack kahuta and was planning another invasion of Pakistan.

Her plan was later adopted as operation brasstacks which ended in failure. Killing her was also of vital importance due to her very close connections with the KGB which was making inroads into Afghanistan (pre invasion), while having a reliable ally on the other side of Pakistan, ready and willing to invade in sync with USSR.

We aided Khalistanis to use them to first draw her to attack golden temple, since she loved using brute force more than her brain, then to use the leverage created out of the outrage (we manufactured) as a consequence of the op blue star to find suitable operatives to kill her.

Killing her denied USSR a dependable and willing ally and dashed USSR's designs. It also bought us time to mature our nukes and to carry out cold testing.

Since we played Sikhs against govt and govt against the Sikhs, we weren't blamed which spared us a potential war, had a Pakistani blackop been captured trying to kill a serving Indian PM. When Indian govt struck Sikhs in the golden temple and after Indra received a shaft, even then no blame went to us. Thats what i call a finely planned and executed op.

Once both of our objectives were met, we pulled the plug from Khalistanis since their services were no longer needed.

Cheers.

@ranjeet

Minorities need to fit in or leave. We'll offer no 'lip service'.

And at the end of it all, India still ended up with a much faster rate of growth, the sikhs continued to be among the strongest patriots in India, and we had a sikh prime minister and Army chief.

While Pakistan went on to burn with shias, sunnis and ahmadis blowing each other up.

Which goes to show, plans don't matter when your basic fundamentals are gadbad.

"Minorities need to fit in or leave"
Not quite the message we receive from muslims migrants in UK and Europe.
 
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Fine @Contrarian I am not soo unreasonable to not accept a simple request...I will remove your name off it! Happy?
You did not need to remove the earlier quotes since you had already put me through the task of looking them up. But from now do remove the user name from the quote box. Its easier that way for everyone involved.

The FACT still remains the same.

There is NO Sikh Marriage act till even today because the Indian constitution denies Sikhs the right to self determination simply by classifying them as Hindus, hence establishing that they have no identity of their own.

Even today Sikhs either marry under the Hindu act or under Anand Marriage Act which is NOT a Sikh marriage act but a compromise.

For allowing the Sikhs to have a Sikh marriage act the Indian constitution would need to be ammended especially the articles 24/25.

Hindu elite wont do it, because this would grant Sikhs a constitutional identity which means they can claim the right to self determination as per the Indian constitution which would open a new pandora's box.
The Indian Special Marriage act is an open Act under which any two individuals of India may get married. That covers any and all issues.

Lastly, you do not even know about what the Sikh marriage rules are. They are exactly the same as Hindus. They are the same as Budhists. All Dharmic religions have the same personal law.
And this is why the Sikhs have not demanded it - by Sikhs I mean any majority party of Punjab. Random outfits of a couple of hundred people dont count.
 
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The FACT still remains the same.
the Indian constitution denies Sikhs the right to self determination
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I suppose it is a pity the sikhs themselves don't agree with your "hypothesis", as you can check for yourself.
 
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The FACT still remains the same.

There is NO Sikh Marriage act till even today because the Indian constitution denies Sikhs the right to self determination simply by classifying them as Hindus, hence establishing that they have no identity of their own.

Even today Sikhs either marry under the Hindu act or under Anand Marriage Act which is NOT a Sikh marriage act but a compromise.

For allowing the Sikhs to have a Sikh marriage act the Indian constitution would need to be ammended especially the articles 24/25.

Hindu elite wont do it, because this would grant Sikhs a constitutional identity which means they can claim the right to self determination as per the Indian constitution which would open a new pandora's box.
The present amendment in the Anand Marriage Act appears to be a half-hearted attempt to dodge the ever-encompassing demands of the Sikhs by serving them with a piece-meal legislation. This elucidates the manipulated stand of the government.
 
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Indians need to give their own Muslims rights before acting like Saints
 
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I suppose it is a pity the sikhs themselves don't agree with your "hypothesis", as you can check for yourself.
The present amendment in the Anand Marriage Act appears to be a half-hearted attempt to dodge the ever-encompassing demands of the Sikhs by serving them with a piece-meal legislation. This elucidates the manipulated stand of the government.
 
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Saudi Arabia
This one is difficult probably some Saudi on the forum can help

Muslims and followers of religious groups other than Islam are free to worship according to their beliefs, but the Government prohibits conversion from Islam and the proselytization of Muslims.
Prohibition of conversion is actually a poor translation of the Shariah...I have already proved from the Quran in another thread how this is wrong...

no Christian denominations are allowed, but the small numbers of Jews and Christians (many from India or Pakistan) are not persecuted and are allowed to practice their religions privately.
I dont see what is wrong with this?
 
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Nobody is attacking the Quran,i think the problem is that some muslims understand the Quran just as much as looney tune evanghelical christian Bush understood the Bible and the voices that told him to attack Irak in a fight against satan.
Maybe, but he was drunk.
Do you know that Bush Jr had a big drinking problem before becoming the president.
 
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Religious freedom is guaranteed, but religious instruction for non-Muslim confessions forbidden, as is attempting to convert Muslims. Conversion from Islam is considered a crime punishable by death, and in 1993-94 a convert to Christianity was condemned to be executed and fled the country, while his wife was kidnapped, raped, and forced to divorce him.
1 case went south like none happens anywhere else on the planet?

Again the conversion from Islam needs to be readdressed
 
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Maybe, but he was drunk.
Do you know that Bush Jr had a big drinking problem before becoming the president.

Yes.I know that he was a religious loonatic to.
 
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