Lawrence of Arabia in Waziristan

[Sherlock Holmes]

India came into being on 15th of August 1947. There was no entity called India before that.

How can there be an Emperor of India if there was no India? Edward VII, Reign 22 January 1901 – 6 May 1910 Emperor of India.

Edward VII (Albert Edward; 9 November 1841 – 6 May 1910) was King of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions and Emperor of India from 22 January 1901 until his death.

Emperor of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edward VII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When Victoria died, and her son Edward VII ascended the throne, his title became "Emperor of India". The title continued after India became independent on 15 August 1947 and was not formally abandoned until 22 June 1948 under George VI, although the British monarch continued to be the King of India until it became a republic in 1950.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Right. Infact there was no country in the world then and hasnt been except Pakistan! Or Arabia or ..... Infact there is no religion in the world or has been other than Islam

Cool it hommie. He is raising a technical point and he is not bashing India. So relax. I answered him techincaly. No need to drag India-Pakistan war here Chill, ALL IS WELL.

 

[Kompromat]

How can there be an Emperor of India if there was no India? Edward VII, Reign 22 January 1901 – 6 May 1910 Emperor of India.




Emperor of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edward VII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For this you'd have to dig up the genesis of the word India itself. India as a political entity has never existed before 1947.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

For this you'd have to dig up the genesis of the word India itself. India as a political entity has never existed before 1947.

A land which British Conquered in 1858 had an Emperor and a Map. If India can have an Emperor, Viceroys, laws, elections, assembly, army and a map. How can you claim that it was not a political entity before 1947?




British Raj - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The British Raj (rāj, meaning "rule" in Hindi)[2] was the British rule in the Indian subcontinent between 1858 and 1947.[3] The term can also refer to the period of dominion.[3][4] The region under British control—commonly called "India" in contemporary usage—included areas directly administered by the United Kingdom[5] (contemporaneously, "British India") as well as the princely states ruled by individual rulers under the paramountcy of the British Crown. The region was less commonly also called the Indian Empire.[6] As India, it was a founding member of the League of Nations, a participating nation in the Summer Olympics in 1900, 1920, 1928, 1932, and 1936, and a founding member of the United Nations in San Francisco in 1945.[7]

India and Britain were two separate founding members of United Nations in 1947. Look below. If India never existed before 1947 how can it be founding member of United Nations in 1945?

1945 (original members)
The UN officially came into existence on 24 October 1945, after ratification of the United Nations Charter by the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (the Republic of China, France, the USSR, the United Kingdom, and the United States) and a majority of the other signatories.[3] A total of 51 original members (or founding members) joined that year; 50 of them signed the Charter at the United Nations Conference on International Organization in San Francisco on 26 June 1945, while Poland, which was not represented at the conference, signed it on 15 October 1945.[4]

24 October 1945

• Argentina
• Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic → Belarus
• Brazil
• Chile
• China (seat held by the Republic of China) → China (seat transferred to the People's Republic of China) (Resolution 2758)
• Cuba
• Czechoslovakia → dissolved (current UN members that formerly comprised Czechoslovakia: Czech Republic and Slovakia)[F]
• Denmark
• Dominican Republic
• Egypt → United Arab Republic (period when merged with Syria)[A] → Egypt
• El Salvador
• France
• Haiti
• Iran → Iran (Islamic Republic of)
• Lebanon
• Luxembourg
• New Zealand
• Nicaragua
• Paraguay
• Philippine Commonwealth → Philippine Republic → Philippines
• Poland
• Saudi Arabia
• Syria → United Arab Republic (period when merged with Egypt)[A] → Syrian Arab Republic
• Turkey
• Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic → Ukraine
• Union of Soviet Socialist Republics → Russian Federation (successor state)

• United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

• United States of America
• Yugoslavia → dissolved (would-be successor state Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was de facto suspended from the United Nations by SCR 777 and GAR 47/1; current UN members that formerly comprised Yugoslavia: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia)[G]

25 October 1945

• Greece

30 October 1945

• India

31 October 1945

• Peru

India Act of 1784.
Indian Councils Act 1861.

Imperial Legislative Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Imperial Legislative Council was a legislature for the British Indian Empire from 1861 to 1947. It succeeded the Council of the Governor-General of India, and was succeeded by the Constituent Assembly of India and the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan.

Indian provincial elections, 1937 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Provincial elections were held in British India in the winter of 1936-37 as mandated by the Government of India Act 1935. Elections were held in eleven provinces - Madras, Central Provinces, Bihar, Orissa, United Provinces, Bombay Presidency, Assam, NWFP, Bengal, Punjab and Sindh.

The final results of the elections were declared in February 1937. The Indian National Congress emerged in power in eight of the provinces - the three exceptions being Bengal, Punjab, and Sindh. The All-India Muslim League failed to form the government in any province.

The Congress ministries resigned in October and November 1939, in protest against Viceroy Lord Linlithgow's action of declaring India to be a belligerent in the Second World War without consulting the Indian people.

1946: Elections

1946: Elections, Cabinet mission, Direct Action Day

Members of the 1946 Cabinet Mission to India meeting Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Far left is Lord Pethick Lawrence; far right is Sir Stafford Cripps.
In January 1946, a number of mutinies broke out in the armed services, starting with that of RAF servicemen frustrated with their slow repatriation to Britain.[139] The mutinies came to a head with mutiny of the Royal Indian Navy in Bombay in February 1946, followed by others in Calcutta, Madras, and Karachi. Although the mutinies were rapidly suppressed, they had the effect of spurring the new Labour government in Britain to action, and leading to the Cabinet Mission to India led by the Secretary of State for India, Lord Pethick Lawrence, and including Sir Stafford Cripps, who had visited four years before.[139]

Also in early 1946, new elections were called in India. Earlier, at the end of the war in 1945, the colonial government had announced the public trial of three senior officers of Bose's defeated Indian National Army who stood accused of treason. Now as the trials began, the Congress leadership, although ambivalent towards the INA, chose to defend the accused officers.[140] The subsequent convictions of the officers, the public outcry against the convictions, and the eventual remission of the sentences, created positive propaganda for the Congress, which only helped in the party's subsequent electoral victories in eight of the eleven provinces.[141] The negotiations between the Congress and the Muslim League, however, stumbled over the issue of the partition. Jinnah proclaimed 16 August 1946, Direct Action Day, with the stated goal of highlighting, peacefully, the demand for a Muslim homeland in British India. The following day Hindu-Muslim riots broke out in Calcutta and quickly spread throughout India. Although the Government of India and the Congress were both shaken by the course of events, in September, a Congress-led interim government was installed, with Jawaharlal Nehru as united India's prime minister.

British Indian Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The British Indian Army, officially named just the Indian Army, was the principal army of India before independence in 1947. It was responsible for the defence of both British India and the Princely states, which could also have their own armies.[1] The Indian Army was an important part of the British Empire's forces, both in India and abroad, particularly during the First World War and the Second World War.

The term "Indian Army" appears to have been first used informally, as a collective description of the Presidency armies (the Bengal Army, the Madras Army and the Bombay Army) of the Presidencies of British India, particularly after the Indian Rebellion. The first army officially called the "Indian Army" was raised by the government of India in 1895, existing alongside the three long-established presidency armies. However, in 1903 the Indian Army absorbed these three armies. The Indian Army should not be confused with the "Army of India" (1903–1947) which was the Indian Army itself plus the "British Army in India" (British units sent to India).

How can there be a political party named All INDIA Muslim League when there was no India?

All-India Muslim League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The All–India Muslim League (Urdu: آل انڈیا مسلم لیگ‎; popularised as Muslim League), was a historic political party established in the early years of 20th century in the British Indian Empire.

 

[Kompromat]

@Sherlock Holmes | India is a name coined by the British in reference to the Indus river. It has no historic value apart from the colonial history.

Here is a map dated at 1660, which might put things in perspective i am talking about. India is a nation state which came into being in August 1947. No such thing as India existed before that date - ever.

 

[Butchcassidy]

For this you'd have to dig up the genesis of the word India itself. India as a political entity has never existed before 1947.

That is so wrong man..really??

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Now if you are going to try to find India in history I doubt you will find it in Muslim and Indian text, you might but that can take alot of research of old books in Museums. But you can find it in Western History, I already gave you an example.

1660 and 1510. Look at the difference. You can find name India before 1660, long before British came to India.

@Sherlock Holmes | India is a name coined by the British in reference to the Indus river. It has no historic value apart from the colonial history.
Here is a map dated at 1660, which might put things in perspective i am talking about. India is a nation state which came into being in August 1947. No such thing as India existed before that date - ever.

Portuguese India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1505–1961

The State of India, formally, Estado da Índia Portuguesa, and commonly Portuguese India, was a colonial state of the Portuguese Empire, six years after the discovery of a sea route between Portugal and India, to serve as the plenipotentiary governing body of a string of Portuguese fortresses and colonies overseas. The first viceroy was Francisco de Almeida, who established his headquarters in Cochin (Cochim, Kochi). Subsequent Portuguese governors were not always of viceroy rank. After 1510, the capital of the Portuguese viceroyalty was transferred to Goa. Until the 18th Century, the Portuguese governor in Goa had authority over all Portuguese possessions in the Indian Ocean, from southern Africa to southeast Asia. In 1752 Mozambique got its own separate government and in 1844 the Portuguese Government of India stopped administering the territory of Macau, Solor and Timor, and its authority was confined to the colonial holdings on the Malabar coast of India.

Casa da Índia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Casa da Índia (Portuguese pronunciation: [ˈkazɐ dɐ ˈĩdiɐ], India House) was the Portuguese organization that managed all overseas territories during the heyday of the Portuguese Empire in the 16th century. It was both the central authority for managing all aspects of overseas trade, the central shipment point and clearing house. As an economic institution, it worked like a feitoria (factory, trading post),[1] being the most important economic institution in Portugal of the time. It was located at the Ribeira Palace, the royal palace in Terreiro do Paço square (modern Praça do Comércio), in Lisbon.

With the discovery of a sea route to India by Vasco da Gama in 1497-99, the spice trade became a new an important activity of the royal trading house, and old Casa was renamed Casa da Índia e da Guiné (the first written reference to a Casa da Índia was in a royal letter dated 1501).

Imperial entities of India
Dutch India 1605–1825
Danish India 1620–1869
French India 1769–1954
Portuguese India
(1505–1961)
Casa da Índia 1434–1833
Portuguese East India Company 1628–1633
British India (1612–1947)
East India Company 1612–1757
Company rule in India 1757–1858
British Raj 1858–1947
British rule in Burma 1824–1948
Princely states 1721–1949
Partition of India
1947



As a political entity India might not have been homogenous but it did achieve one United India few thousand years ago. Just like China was united by one ruler few thousand years ago. If India disintegrated after that that is another matter. How are you going to refute that when there was no written language in India hence no ancient records were found. But you can still to this day see a city which you call Mohenjo-daro.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Many refuted before that, since there were no ancient city ruins found, the old Hindu tales where just tales and ancient cities in these tales never existed. Later Mohenjo-daro was found, a city atleast 4500 years old.

Mohenjo-daro (IPA: [muˑənⁱ dʑoˑ d̪əɽoˑ], English pronunciation: /moʊˌhɛn.dʒoʊ ˈdɑː.roʊ/; (Sindhi: موئن جو دڙو, Urdu: موئن جودڑو‎), lit. Mound of the Dead) is an archeological site in the province of Sindh, Pakistan. Built around 2600 BCE, it was one of the largest settlements of the ancient Indus Valley Civilization, and one of the world's earliest major urban settlements, contemporaneous with the civilizations of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, and Crete. Mohenjo-daro was abandoned in the 19th century BCE, and was not rediscovered until 1922.

You can refute all you want. You cant disprove the existence of Ancient United India or heterogeneous city states that coexisted like Ancient Greece city states, because Mohenjo-dare proved that an ancient civilization existed. As advanced as others of that era. Those Hindu stories of ancient cities have been proven by Mohenjo-daro. Now you can refute the existence of ancient United India until proof of that is found too.

List of ancient Indian cities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Greek City-States - Ancient Greece for Kids

Ancient Greece for Kids

What is a city-state? There are no city-states left in Greece to use as an example. We have to look into the past to find some.

After the Greek dark ages, villages started to band together, in part for protection and in part for more organized trade. They wanted strong trading centers. These groups of villages were that banded together were called city-states. There were hundreds of city-states in ancient Greece, some small and some really big ones with large populations.

Although each city-state had its own form of government and its own army, sometimes its own navy, and certainly its own way of doing things, the city-states of ancient Greece had many things in common. They all spoke the same language, they all believed in the same gods, they all worshiped in the same way, and they all thought of themselves as Greeks. But they were loyal to their city-state. If you asked someone in ancient Greece where they were from, they would not say they were from Greece, because Greece at that time was not a country. It was a collection of city-states, each with its own personality and way of doing things.

The city-states banded together to fight outsiders. They also banded together to fight each other.


Five of the most powerful Greek city-states

Athens

Sparta

Corinth

Megara
Argos

Ancient Greece Maps For Kids

 

[Kompromat]

^ If you had taken the pain of focusing more on the information i've give you rather than googling India with a 1660 filter, you would have by now understood my narrative.

India is nothing but an illusive term invented by a European occupier to describe an otherwise complex region.

As Indians understands India today is a 'nation state' which has never existed before in history.

@Sherlock Holmes

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

^ If you had taken the pain of focusing more on the information i've give you rather than googling India with a 1660 filter, you would have by now understood my narrative.
India is nothing but an illusive term invented by a European occupier to describe an otherwise complex region.
As Indians understands India today is a 'nation state' which has never existed before in history.
@Sherlock Holmes

How stupid do you think I am? Google filter with 1660 Good one.

Read what I wrote again carefully. Good bye.

 

[Kompromat]

How stupid do you think I am? Google filter with 1660 Good one.

Read what I wrote again carefully. Good bye.

Since you've failed to produce a counter narrative or even understand mine, goodbye indeed.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

India came into being on 15th of August 1947. There was no entity called India before that.

For this you'd have to dig up the genesis of the word India itself. India as a political entity has never existed before 1947.

@Sherlock Holmes | India is a name coined by the British in reference to the Indus river. It has no historic value apart from the colonial history.
Here is a map dated at 1660, which might put things in perspective i am talking about. India is a nation state which came into being in August 1947. No such thing as India existed before that date - ever.

^ If you had taken the pain of focusing more on the information i've give you rather than googling India with a 1660 filter, you would have by now understood my narrative.
India is nothing but an illusive term invented by a European occupier to describe an otherwise complex region.
As Indians understands India today is a 'nation state' which has never existed before in history.
@Sherlock Holmes

Since you've failed to produce a counter narrative or even understand mine, goodbye indeed.

Lets see what your narratives are, they are above.
They changed few times, for example India came into being on 15th of August 1947. There was no entity called India before that.
And then it changed to "As Indians understands India today is a 'nation state' which has never existed before in history. "

And I refutted by saying

As a political entity India might not have been homogenous but it did achieve one United India few thousand years ago. Just like China was united by one ruler few thousand years ago. If India disintegrated after that that is another matter. How are you going to refute that when there was no written language in India hence no ancient records were found. But you can still to this day see a city which you call Mohenjo-daro.

Many refuted before that, since there were no ancient city ruins found, the old Hindu tales where just tales and ancient cities in these tales never existed. Later Mohenjo-daro was found, a city atleast 4500 years old.

You can refute all you want. You cant disprove the existence of Ancient United India or heterogeneous city states that coexisted like Ancient Greece city states, because Mohenjo-dare proved that an ancient civilization existed. As advanced as others of that era. Those Hindu stories of ancient cities have been proven by Mohenjo-daro. Now you can refute the existence of ancient United India until proof of that is found too.

How difficult is that to understand? My friend you are challenging a story that has the possibility to be proven true. Which story you can ask? Hindus claim that AKHAND BHARAT existed just like they claimed big ancient cities existed. But there was no proof of big ancient cities until Mohenjo-daro and Taxila were discoverd. There is a possibility that there once existed an Akhand Bharat. These Hindus are not fools, their civilization is truly an ancient one. They had good knowledge in ancient times, of mathematics, astronomy, astrology.

If they claim some thing like AKHAND BHARAT existed you can say may be it did or may be it didnt. But you cant deny it. Their stories of ancient cities have been proven.

 

[Kompromat]

^Ancestors but it wasn't India as people know it today. That is the whole point!

 

[JonAsad]

Yeah he was here. First he stayed in Karachi at Drig Road Airbase. Then he went to N.W.F.P.

He was a British agent with the name T. E. Shaw, his new identity. Colonel T. E. Lawrence re-enlisted as aircraftman T. E. Shaw Indians were smarter than those arabians, we found out and his mission was over.

Hold your horses- Karachi & NWFP belongs to us-
so le me correct you- Pakistanis were smarter- we found out and his mission was over.
as far as i know indians droll even by the sight of a gora-

 

[Hyperion]

Lawrence of Arabia, after his *** got whooped by Wazirs.......... It seems he was tied up while being raped.......

@Aeronaut @Abu Zolfiqar @DESERT FIGHTER @EyanKhan @Shabaz Sharif, @Jaggu, @AUSTERLITZ,

Thinking about the good old days.............. "Arabs we so friendly, they didn't try to rape me even once".........

@Aeronaut @Abu Zolfiqar @DESERT FIGHTER @EyanKhan @Shabaz Sharif, @Jaggu, @AUSTERLITZ,