Featured Largest Iranian Navy ship sinks after mysterious fire

[Saddam Hussein]

Pakistan extends condolence to the Iranian people and the government for the tragic loss of the vessel.

It's just a ship, no one died. nothin tragic

 

[Falcon29]

Look, when someone comes into a thread dedicated to a naval accident in Iran, and disrespectfully derails it by trying to suggest Iran has been passive against the zionist entity, I will be likely to counter such uncalled for drivel by pointing to Iran's unparalleled backing of the Palestinian Resistance against zionist occupation.

I saw his post, and it had nothing to do with Gaza. You are taking credit for Hamas's achievements and culture to defend the shortcomings of your resistance axis. This is not right. Most of Hamas's armed wing funding does not come from Iran, actually. They are the government in Gaza and tax goods in Gaza, and have other sources of funding. Iran provides some funding and expertise, and delivers certain higher quality weapons, but don't exaggerate that role. Much of the weapons coming from Hamas's own funding and smuggled from elsewhere.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/05/25/hamas-used-weapons-rocket-launchers-smuggled-from-libya/

There was no justification for bringing Iranian policy against Isra"el" into this topic, and then seeking to minimize Iran's efforts in this regard. So either the user who started this will refrain from flamebaiting in the Iranian section, or our response will just have to be accepted.

The user can do what he wants, he brought up Iran's deterrence policy and not Gaza.

Hamas' military capabilities are in large part a result of Iranian arming, Iranian training, and even direct Iranian advisory role during war time, as admitted by Hamas officials themselves. Without Iran, things would look more dire for the Palestinian Resistance. Their leaders are honest enough to publicly recognize it. And they certainly aren't some two-faced hypocrites and idiots who would unnecessarily lie to their people and to the world in exchange for supposedly token material support that they wouldn't really depend on.

Nope, Hamas's military capabilities are in large part as a result of Hamas. Vast majority of training is of their own. They have more combat experience with Israel than anyone else. We don't need your armchair general analysis where in some other universe people with no combat experience against Israel are providing majority of training. And no, Iran plays no advisory role during war. It consults with them and nothing more. Chain of command is led by Hamas's armed wing and the JOR.

Of course you conveniently ignore all of Hamas's officials statements on domestic production of their weapons or their armed wing's own press releases showing how they do this and the credit they give to their own engineers. You also ignore credit they give to foreign experts such as a Tunisian engineer who assisted in their drone program. You are greatly exaggerating Iran's role in Gaza. You are also ignoring Hassan Nasrallah who said Hamas's military capabilities and performance surprised its allies before its enemy. But, you want to ride on bandwagon of their Jerusalem victory. Iran is not responsible for these programs, it helped improve them. You are pathetically trying to discredit work of our own people.

Here is some examples:

Hamas leader: We create rockets from Gush Katif water pipes

Yahya Sinwar says Hamas uses Israeli irrigation pipes left from Gaza disengagement for missiles.

www.israelnationalnews.com

Israel Indicts Palestinian Engineer as Hamas Rocket Designer

A court in Israel has charged a kidnapped Palestinian engineer with designing rockets for the Islamist militant group Hamas in the Gaza Strip.The Palestinian, Dirar Abu Sisi, disappeared from a sleeper train in Ukraine in February. His family alleged he was abducted by the Israeli intelligence...

www.voanews.com

Hamas rocket engineer killed in Malaysia; family blames Israel

Fadi Mohammad al-Batsh, a lecturer in Kuala Lumpur said involved in Hamas rocket and drone development, shot by two gunmen Saturday morning on way to prayers

www.timesofisrael.com

Nobody has such a thing. I repeatedly asked you to show me where I am supposed to have proceeded with any of the above, in vain.

It's true, you are uncomfortable and jealous about Hamas's achievement and trying to take credit for their achievements.

Contrary to actual Palestinian Resistance officials, your tone tends to suggest the different components of the Resistance are are having some sort of a competition. Which couldn't be farther from the truth.

Aha, sure buddy, this why you conveniently ignore all of Hamas's official statements on the hard work of their own soldiers and engineers. Even Hamas armed wing documents and shares the work of its engineers, who are not just based in Gaza.

Once again, there is no competition, Hamas is leading pro-active resistance against Israel and nobody else.

I and every other rational, mindful person will prefer to take Palestinian Resistance leaders at their word. And I have never heard a single Palestinian official chastise people for simply mentioning Iran's massive support. In fact, they themselves are doing it all the time. I am merely paraphrasing them.

Iran does not provide no massive support. It is a small fraction of what it provides to Houthi's , Iraqi PMU, and Hezbollah. You are more than welcome to provide hard evidence of this so called massive support. Majority of Hamas's armed wing funding comes from the government of Hamas and other donations. Hamas armed wing is even asking for bitcoin donations from its supporters around the world. That says a lot about your so called 'massive support'. You lie over and over again to take credit of work that isn't yours.

Hamas isn't more active than the rest of the Resistance Axis when taking into account the respective contexts in which these groups operate. As a matter of fact, 90% of Palestine is occupied as we speak. Whereas 99.9% of Lebanon is free from occupation. Even so, Hamas is observing ceasefire with Isra"el" as we speak. Neither rockets, nor bullets are being fired at Isra"el". This is because Hamas will deploy its military means only when Tel Aviv resorts to major provocations, such as storming al-Aqsa mosque and then murdering 20 Palestinian civilians including 9 children.

Once again, Israel has no interest in occupying Lebanon, and Hezbollah markets itself as a pro-active resistance group doing jihad for sake of Palestine, when it doesn't and is not one. Hamas is a pro-active Resistance which initiates action for sake of other Palestinians and doesn't wait for Gaza to be invaded. It is the only active party in the Resistance axis against Israel. The rest are literally only active in Syria and Iraq. No matter how much in denial you are.

Hezbollah, inspired by the venerable path Imam Khomeini trod before them, would break zionist jaws in any similar situation. Half a platoon of zionist troops doing so much as setting foot on Lebanese soil would unleash Hezbollah's wrath. Let alone if 90% of Lebanon were to get occupied and then nine Lebanese children shot dead by zionist forces.

Well it seems like he can't inspire them for jihad for sake of Palestine as they don't initiate any jihad at all, even though they have tons of weapons. If Hamas had weapons of Hezbollah , Israeli's would be living through hell and on their way towards collapse.

These governments themselves aren't exporting arms to the Palestinian Resistance, nor are they training Palestinian fighters, and so on. A look at Hamas' and PIJ's rocket and drone arsenals will demonstrate this. In fact illustrations were posted before in the Gaza war thread which mention the origin of Hamas' imported rocket systems, and they all are either Iranian or Syrian (not talking about the locally produced ones here).

This is not true, there official parties in all these nations that are part of their respective gov'ts that partake in arms smuggling. Especially Libya.

They aren't living in Palestine but in Lebanon, Iraq etc. And I am not seeing zionist occupation troops annexing 90% of Lebanon or Iraq. The day Isra"el" dares to invade Lebanon or Iraq, that day the Lebanese or Iraqi Resistance are going to replicate Hamas' defensive actions, and they'll be doing so on a larger scale even.

So, you are following national defense policy, same as everyone else, like Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Who also say we have no dog in the fight if they don't attack us. This is not pro-active Resistance. You have no right to criticize Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Especially, Turkey, which is funneling funds to Hamas and it is making its way to Hamas's armed wing.

In fact, these brothers are at an ulterior stage of Resistance: their territories being cleared of zionist presence, they now concentrate on deterring renewed zionist aggression and/or invasion of their lands.

No, they are wrestling for control over the people in those nations, to enrich themselves and Iran. Nothing to do with Zionists.

Besides, the current level of military capacities displayed by the Palestinian Resistance is a consequence of widescale Iranian backing, as happily and gratefully acknowledged by the honorable leaderships of Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, PRC and so on. Let's not feel annoyed at their uprightness in this regard. All hail to them.

No, it is a result of Hamas's actions, training, governance and military buildup.

Indeed, the same Hamas whose leaders repeatedly praise Iran and no other nation-state, for its unrivaled military support, even explicitly stating that without Iran's assistance, they wouldn't have been able to achieve these feats.

Once again, you conveniently ignore all their statements about their own feats. No one cares about few political statements they are required to make as Iran's support doesn't come for free. Iran needs a resistance image which it cannot get if Palestinian factions don't make statements crediting them.

I'm certainly not trying to claim that a single person can replace an entire military unit.

Wrong, you were implying that.

1) Apart from transferring the know how to manufacture the rockets locally, Iran has provided drones or drone parts, Iranian-manufactured antitank guided missiles and more. As far as drones are concerned, Iran has played a particularly salient role in enabling the Resistance.

Lol, what is this 'know how' to manufacture homemade rockets? Please explain it to us in detail. It is not true and never was. Hamas has its own engineers for these purposes. Apparently everyone else because the IR regime are dumb and not capable of achieving any sort of independence. Classic case of narcissism here. And no, majority of anti-tank missiles in Gaza are not manufactured in Iran. You are more than welcome to provide proof for this too.

Making actual weapons shipments and turning a blind eye on them isn't the same. But the Sisi regime is known for having taken increased measures to curtail smuggling activities from the Sinai into Gaza.

Turning blind eye to smuggling makes Egypt complicit in arming Hamas, it is indirect support. Don't know why you are downplaying this. It is a policy of the Egyptian military. The black market established in Sinai is done on prerogative of Egyptian military. You are too stupid and never been there to know about this, but I have been there and know who smuggles and brings these weapons into the region. We don't need your armchair general expertise that is all derived from your pro-Iranian fanaticism.

Well, I shall stick with what Palestinian leaders have claimed. I cannot believe for a second that they were twisting the truth for political or other benefits. This wouldn't be the Islamic way either.

Yep, stick with what they say except when it doesn't support your exaggerations.

Iran's entire policy is primarily geared towards resisting zionist and western imperialism in the region. Everything else stems from that overarching goal.

Bullshit, Iran's entire policy is to advance Iranian national interests. It has gone to war with one Western nation or Israel.

The Iranian-backed Resistance groups did not abandoned their Resistance strategy. They didn't change their policies.

Their policy has always been to exploit Palestinian cause to wrestle control over Arab nations.

If 20 peaceful Lebanese protesters, including 9 children, were to get murdered by zionist occupation forces and Ramadan prayers in south Lebanese mosques disturbed by the latter, I would advocate military level retaliation.

Once again, you are proving my point that Iran's allies don't advocate resistance but national defense policies no different than other nation states in the region. Same position as Lebanese army. And I have seen you many times argue against Hezbollah opening a front against Israel. You are against initiating jihad against Israel. You are for maintaining and advancing what you believe is Iranian domination of region. No different than any other nation state with influence in the region.

Now, this discussion is not on topic. The thread is about the sinking of the Iranian Navy vessel Kharg.

Both Gaza and Iran's general policy against Isra"el" are off topic. Therefore I would reiterate my suggestion to return back to the subject of the thread, or to open a different ones to discuss other things.

I guess moderators might be of help here.

@LeGenD @waz The thread is going way off topic. This started when user Numerous posted a relatively provocative and largely off-topic comment about Iranian warnings to Isra"el" and the assassination of general Soleimani by Washington. Could users be invited to stay on topic and/or take unrelated discussions elsewhere? Thank you.

I had to delete rest of your post, as you repeat same stuff over and over again, and rest is marketing for Iranian regime which I'm not interested in. You deliberately spam to deter people from refuting your propaganda. It will not work.

And you are one who derailed thread. And you are using vpn hiding your real location(which is US or Canada), and putting fake location flags. While calling on mods to help you push your lies and exaggerations. This is funny.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

I saw his post, and it had nothing to do with Gaza. You are taking credit for Hamas's achievements and culture to defend the shortcomings of your resistance axis. This is not right. Most of Hamas's armed wing funding does not come from Iran, actually. They are the government in Gaza and tax goods in Gaza, and have other sources of funding. Iran provides some funding and expertise, and delivers certain higher quality weapons, but don't exaggerate that role. Much of the weapons coming from Hamas's own funding and smuggled from elsewhere.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/05/25/hamas-used-weapons-rocket-launchers-smuggled-from-libya/

The user can do what he wants, he brought up Iran's deterrence policy and not Gaza.



Nope, Hamas's military capabilities are in large part as a result of Hamas. Vast majority of training is of their own. They have more combat experience with Israel than anyone else. We don't need your armchair general analysis where in some other universe people with no combat experience against Israel are providing majority of training. And no, Iran plays no advisory role during war. It consults with them and nothing more. Chain of command is led by Hamas's armed wing and the JOR.

Of course you conveniently ignore all of Hamas's officials statements on domestic production of their weapons or their armed wing's own press releases showing how they do this and the credit they give to their own engineers. You also ignore credit they give to foreign experts such as a Tunisian engineer who assisted in their drone program. You are greatly exaggerating Iran's role in Gaza. You are also ignoring Hassan Nasrallah who said Hamas's military capabilities and performance surprised its allies before its enemy. But, you want to ride on bandwagon of their Jerusalem victory. Iran is not responsible for these programs, it helped improve them. You are pathetically trying to discredit work of our own people.

Here is some examples:

Hamas leader: We create rockets from Gush Katif water pipes

Yahya Sinwar says Hamas uses Israeli irrigation pipes left from Gaza disengagement for missiles.

www.israelnationalnews.com

Israel Indicts Palestinian Engineer as Hamas Rocket Designer

A court in Israel has charged a kidnapped Palestinian engineer with designing rockets for the Islamist militant group Hamas in the Gaza Strip.The Palestinian, Dirar Abu Sisi, disappeared from a sleeper train in Ukraine in February. His family alleged he was abducted by the Israeli intelligence...

www.voanews.com

Hamas rocket engineer killed in Malaysia; family blames Israel

Fadi Mohammad al-Batsh, a lecturer in Kuala Lumpur said involved in Hamas rocket and drone development, shot by two gunmen Saturday morning on way to prayers

www.timesofisrael.com

It's true, you are uncomfortable and jealous about Hamas's achievement and trying to take credit for their achievements.




Aha, sure buddy, this why you conveniently ignore all of Hamas's official statements on the hard work of their own soldiers and engineers. Even Hamas armed wing documents and shares the work of its engineers, who are not just based in Gaza.

Once again, there is no competition, Hamas is leading pro-active resistance against Israel and nobody else.



Iran does not provide no massive support. It is a small fraction of what it provides to Houthi's , Iraqi PMU, and Hezbollah. You are more than welcome to provide hard evidence of this so called massive support. Majority of Hamas's armed wing funding comes from the government of Hamas and other donations. Hamas armed wing is even asking for bitcoin donations from its supporters around the world. That says a lot about your so called 'massive support'. You lie over and over again to take credit of work that isn't yours.



Once again, Israel has no interest in occupying Lebanon, and Hezbollah markets itself as a pro-active resistance group doing jihad for sake of Palestine, when it doesn't and is not one. Hamas is a pro-active Resistance which initiates action for sake of other Palestinians and doesn't wait for Gaza to be invaded. It is the only active party in the Resistance axis against Israel. The rest are literally only active in Syria and Iraq. No matter how much in denial you are.



Well it seems like he can't inspire them for jihad for sake of Palestine as they don't initiate any jihad at all, even though they have tons of weapons. If Hamas had weapons of Hezbollah , Israeli's would be living through hell and on their way towards collapse.



This is not true, there official parties in all these nations that are part of their respective gov'ts that partake in arms smuggling. Especially Libya.



So, you are following national defense policy, same as everyone else, like Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Who also say we have no dog in the fight if they don't attack us. This is not pro-active Resistance. You have no right to criticize Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Especially, Turkey, which is funneling funds to Hamas and it is making its way to Hamas's armed wing.



No, they are wrestling for control over the people in those nations, to enrich themselves and Iran. Nothing to do with Zionists.



No, it is a result of Hamas's actions, training, governance and military buildup.




Once again, you conveniently ignore all their statements about their own feats. No one cares about few political statements they are required to make as Iran's support doesn't come for free. Iran needs a resistance image which it cannot get if Palestinian factions don't make statements crediting them.



Wrong, you were implying that.



Lol, what is this 'know how' to manufacture homemade rockets? Please explain it to us in detail. It is not true and never was. Hamas has its own engineers for these purposes. Apparently everyone else because the IR regime are dumb and not capable of achieving any sort of independence. Classic case of narcissism here. And no, majority of anti-tank missiles in Gaza are not manufactured in Iran. You are more than welcome to provide proof for this too.



Turning blind eye to smuggling makes Egypt complicit in arming Hamas, it is indirect support. Don't know why you are downplaying this. It is a policy of the Egyptian military. The black market established in Sinai is done on prerogative of Egyptian military. You are too stupid and never been there to know about this, but I have been there and know who smuggles and brings these weapons into the region. We don't need your armchair general expertise that is all derived from your pro-Iranian fanaticism.



Yep, stick with what they say except when it doesn't support your exaggerations.



Bullshit, Iran's entire policy is to advance Iranian national interests. It has gone to war with one Western nation or Israel.



Their policy has always been to exploit Palestinian cause to wrestle control over Arab nations.



Once again, you are proving my point that Iran's allies don't advocate resistance but national defense policies no different than other nation states in the region. Same position as Lebanese army. And I have seen you many times argue against Hezbollah opening a front against Israel. You are against initiating jihad against Israel. You are for maintaining and advancing what you believe is Iranian domination of region. No different than any other nation state with influence in the region.



I had to delete rest of your post, as you repeat same stuff over and over again, and rest is marketing for Iranian regime which I'm not interested in. You deliberately spam to deter people from refuting your propaganda. It will not work.

And you are one who derailed thread. And you are using vpn hiding your real location(which is US or Canada), and putting fake location flags. While calling on mods to help you push your lies and exaggerations. This is funny.

These Iranians claim everything.

When Iraqis liberated Iraq from ISIS, Iran claims they did it. There was only one solution to the Iranian problem, Holy Imam Saddam Hossain RA.

 

[Falcon29]

These Iranians claim everything.

When Iraqis liberated Iraq from ISIS, Iran claims they did it. There was only one solution to the Iranian problem, Holy Imam Saddam Hossain RA.

Yeah, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging they provide material and financial support, but there is a big problem when they highly exaggerate this. Taking full credit for Hamas's engineers, military industry, Hamas's courageous decisions and armed struggle, Hamas's funding, Hamas's smuggling(which is hilarious, who does he think knows Sinai like the back of its hand, and has developed long term connections with Egyptian tribes and officers, and Palestinians in Sinai? Iranians? lol), and so forth. They want to take full credit for things to boost their image and feel better about themselves. The people that deserve most credit are the locals. Maybe the close militias to Iran are fully dependent on Iran, but this is not the case with Hamas in Gaza. Hamas has a big backing from a big movement in the Muslim world, and has very wide popular support, and is part of Palestinian gov't. It is not fully reliant on Iran like how some Shia militias need to be because they lack more wider/popular support.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Yeah, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging they provide material and financial support, but there is a big problem when they highly exaggerate this. Taking full credit for Hamas's engineers, military industry, Hamas's courageous decisions and armed struggle, Hamas's funding, Hamas's smuggling(which is hilarious, who does he think knows Sinai like the back of its hand, and has developed long term connections with Egyptian tribes and officers, and Palestinians in Sinai? Iranians? lol), and so forth. They want to take full credit for things to boost their image and feel better about themselves. The people that deserve most credit are the locals. Maybe the close militias to Iran are fully dependent on Iran, but this is not the case with Hamas in Gaza. Hamas has a big backing from a big movement in the Muslim world, and has very wide popular support, and is part of Palestinian gov't. It is not fully reliant on Iran like how some Shia militias need to be because they lack more wider/popular support.

Major exaggeration.

USAF did the heavy striking against ISIS, that aside it was nearly fully a local effort. Iranians capitalized on the crisis to spawn a shitload of retarded militias, whom did not even do much against ISIS.

Hamas is again a full Palestinian Arab effort which goes back decades.

Quite sick of these Majoos, if Saddam was still ruling Iraq he would have provided Hamas with a lot more support than Iran ever did. The GCC is not going to do anything, they're asleep as always and not capable of much.

 

[Falcon29]

Major exaggeration.

USAF did the heavy striking against ISIS, that aside it was nearly fully a local effort. Iranians capitalized on the crisis to spawn a shitload of retarded militias, whom did not even do much against ISIS.

Hamas is again a full Palestinian Arab effort which goes back decades.

Yeah, it was work of Iraqi military, volunteers and US Coalition for most part. Iranian advisory role could not have flipped around situation in such short period of time. It required massive ground force presence and aerial campaign.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Yeah, it was work of Iraqi military, volunteers and US Coalition for most part. Iranian advisory role could not have flipped around situation in such short period of time. It required massive ground force presence and aerial campaign.

Prepare for Iranians posting links referring to some retarded Iraqis who worship Iran.

Turkey and Iran are both not doing, and not going to do anything of significance against the US/Israel. What they truly do is harm Arab states weakened by American adventures. The other Arab states are of no use, lacking in action and spectators if anything. They formed an Arab coalition which is bombing Yemen to the stone age, nothing else they have achieved.

 

[TheImmortal]

It's just a ship, no one died. nothin tragic

The ship died. Show some respect. If your camel died I bet you would be crying, your source of camel piss to drink would now be gone.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

The ship died. Show some respect. If your camel died I bet you would be crying, your source of camel piss to drink would now be gone.

Camels are animals with emotions, your rusty ship is metal

 

[El Sidd]

It's just a ship, no one died. nothin tragic

environmental tragedy

 

[agarrao a las kalandrakas]

That ship sails commonly in Hormuz? Or is it a coincidence?

I know you, Bhan... eres una persona lonchafinista?

 

[drmeson]

RIP to KHARG, you served us well

seems like few former conquered and colonized arabs (not the real arabs, more like conquered and converted) are trying to show frustration on Iranian threads. LOL my Turk warrior ancestors were too gracious to these ungrateful nomads.

Iran and Turkey should take over entire middle east like the good old times. Enough of these sand dancers.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

RIP to KHARG, you served us well

seems like few former conquered and colonized arabs (not the real arabs, more like conquered and converted) are trying to show frustration on Iranian threads. LOL my Turk warrior ancestors were too gracious to these ungrateful nomads.

Iran and Turkey should take over entire middle east like the good old times. Enough of these sand dancers.

Thought you were taken over by the sand animals

 

[Goritoes]

if Saddam was still ruling Iraq he would have provided Hamas with a lot more support than Iran ever did.

Just for the sake of Knowledge, why do you think Saddam would be more Helpful to Hamas than Iran? Is there any moment where Iraq was actively helping the resistance in Palestinians.

 

[BHAN85]

more mysterious fires https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/...rtedly-hits-iranian-steel-factory-in-zarand-/