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I have read the same thing that these guys were heros and how he captured somnath and what a great warrior he was whereas we have a pakistani writer writing in a pakistani publication that these people were rapists & dacoits !?

One writer? seriously? we are going to believe one writer out of so many?

He might not be the best of the people but calling him a rapist is just sick. BTW, you do understand the common things between the rules of that time (Muslim, Hindus, Europeans, etc) They are fought and upon victory took the wealth from the enemy.
 
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The thing is that some people in Pakistan need to come out of this mind set that Muslims can do no wrong and all Jews, Hindus, etc are evil. To sum it up: people need to stop judging others based on what religion they are or aren't.

Meanwhile, "others" must get out of the mind set that everything Muslim is wrong and every other person is right. After all Xenocentrism is far worse than ethnocentrism.
 
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One writer? seriously? we are going to believe one writer out of so many?

He might not be the best of the people but calling him a rapist is just sick. BTW, you do understand the common things between the rules of that time (Muslim, Hindus, Europeans, etc) They are fought and upon victory took the wealth from the enemy.

Well i have yet to see a nuetral source if this was untrue .. we have to stop looking at things from religious angle and start calling spade a spade leaders who raped , looted and killed unarmed civilians were/are wrong.
 
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Well i have yet to see a nuetral source if this was untrue .. we have to stop looking at things from religious angle and start calling spade a spade leaders who raped , looted and killed unarmed civilians were/are wrong.

What is the purpose of this badly written article? The only thing this plagiarizer knows is how to google. He is demonising one invader from the west and at the same time hailing another invader from the east. It seems that for the writer it is much more important how the "clean aryans" from the distant east looked down on the much civilized Yavanas then the fact that the Greek era is an importatn part of our history and they enriched our culture shared with us their knowledge, there would be no Taxila without the Greeks. And doesn't seem to know that almost 40 million Pakistani Pashtuns and Balochs consider Ghazni as thier hero, ask them they will show you another side of Ghazni, only Punjabis and Mohajirs are not Pakistanis there are other people living in this country who have their own version of history.
 
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By a quirk of fate, the Indian Campaign of Alexander the Macedonian was restricted entirely to what is now Pakistan. After his death in 322 BCE, his empire disintegrated and the brilliant Chandragupta Maurya rose to power in a great kingdom that spread across much of the subcontinent. Asoka, who outshone his grandsire, extended his rule to most of Afghanistan, even wresting bits of that country from its Greek masters.

The decay of the Mauryan Empire gave rise to a new wave of Greek adventurers. In or about the year 184 BCE, Demetrius, the first of the Euthydemid line of kings, left his seat of power at Balkh from where he controlled Afghanistan, and annexed Taxila. Not two decades had passed when another line of Greek adventurers, the descendents of Alexander’s general Seleucus Nikator, displaced the Euthydemids to become masters of first Taxila and Sialkot and eventually most of what is now Pakistan.

Far away in the east, the caste-conscious rulers of Patliputra (Patna) looked upon this parade of outsiders with disdain. The Yavanas (the local pronunciation of the Persian Yunani from Ionian) were despised people. For the Pundits of the east, these people were the Mlechha — unclean ones. There was, in that early pre-Islamic age, no appreciation for the white-skinned foreigners. By extension, the land of the outsiders became Mlechha Desa — Land of the unclean.

The power of the Greeks eventually waned and a hundred years after Eucratides, the Seleucid king, had taken Taxila, Punjab and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa fell to Scythian hordes. Under their able king, Maues, these people rose in power and even before Maues died, they had spread across what is now Pakistan.

Having been in fashion for more than a hundred years, the title of Mlechha Desa now stuck fast. This was the land customarily under control of the impure, unclean outsiders. Little did it matter to the high caste Pundits of the east that they and outsiders in reality sprang from the common Indo-Aryan stock separated only by some scores of generations. Nevertheless, there was clearly no admiration for the newcomers; there was only revulsion.

This remained the case for the next millennium. It was only subsequent to the Muslim influx into the subcontinent when a sufficiently large number of conversions led to friction between the old established belief system and the new, that the first seeds of ‘love for the tormentor’, the invading newcomer, were sown. This was largely because the invader was now always Muslim (save Chengez Khan) and looked upon by the converts of India as a saviour.

Mahmud Ghaznavi, a Turk erroneously adopted by the Pathans as one of them, who raped and looted regardless of the religion of his victim, was lionised simply for being a Muslim. Few care to know that while this common brigand descended upon India in the winters, he routinely pillaged the rich (Muslim) cities of Central Asia. Only Abu Rehan Al Beruni got the real measure of this robber chief: Never in his life did he refer to him as Imad ud Daula, Sultan Ghazi etc. For Al Beruni, he was forever plain Amir Mahmud.

The cowardly Jalaluddin Khwarazm flying in front of the superior arms and tactics of Chengez Khan was turned into a hero by that sham historian Nasim Hijazi. This spineless man abandoned his family to the Mongols, knowing full well what they did to their adversaries, and fled to watch their rape and plunder from the safe side of the Sindhu River.
Subsequently, he indulged in wholesale slaughter in Multan, Uch and Bhambore (all Muslim cities) and utterely sacked Pari Nagar, a rich and fabulous city shared by Hindus and Muslims in Tharparkar. Mindless of all this savagery, we, in our ignorance, shamelessly permitted the spurious work of Hijazi to hone our love for this tormentor.

There is clearly a lack of national pride. There can be no other reason that we worship invaders who raped, looted and sacked our cities. We worship them and name sons after them only because we share the same religion with them.

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Published in The Express Tribune, June 11th, 2011.



This is a paraphrased article earlier published in an INDIAN newspaper.

Banyan: Land of the impure | The Economist

Land of the impure - Indian Express
 
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Invaders are heroes, son of soil Maharaja Ranjit Singh has any recognition in Pakistan?

Maharaja Ranjit Singh encircled himself with many strong Muslims -

General Ghaus Mohammad Khan
General Shaikh Elahi Baksh
General Sultan Mahmud Khan
Foreign Minister of Court Fakir Azizuddin

Among his European Mercenary Generals were:

Ventura - Italian (Modena)
Paolo di Avitabile - Italian (Naples)
Court - French
Oms - Spanish

Americans of note:

Josiah Harlan – American general and later governor of Gujrat
Alexander Gardner – American (Scotch – Irish)

In his empire citizens looked at the things they shared in common, e.g. being Punjabi traditions, rather than any religious differences. Maharaja Ranjeet Singh didnt betrayed Muslims like Afghans, Arabs, Pashtuns, Persians and Turks.
 
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Well i have yet to see a nuetral source if this was untrue .. we have to stop looking at things from religious angle and start calling spade a spade leaders who raped , looted and killed unarmed civilians were/are wrong.

So you have only read Nasim Hijazi so far?
 
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another thread whose facts will be denied because it deals with harsh reality.

Already an "intellect" has described as yellow journalism. :lol:
 
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so according to your definition the ones who are the main reason of Pakistans independence and those who struggled and sacrificed the most ie: life & property are Not pakistanis .. great going !... No wonder with this sort of mind frame we are standing in the middle of no where

Where did I say they are not Pakistanis?

And stop blackmailing other ethnicities by repeating the stories of sacrifices and struggle that they did for this country. We know the history of the turncoats of Punjab who at the last moment jumped on the bandwagon of AIML to secure their privileges otherwise the dream of Pakistan would always remain a dream, the carnage that took place in Punjab at the time of partition was unpredicted but deplorable. How many Havelis, Bungalows and tons of gold every Mohajir left in India for the love for Pakistan is not a secret anymore. But we leave this topic here, I have enough knowledge to utterly extirpate many myths regarding that struggle and sacrifices but I don't want to start here a new fight.
 
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The cowardly Jalaluddin Khwarazm flying in front of the superior arms and tactics of Chengez Khan was turned into a hero by that sham historian Nasim Hijazi.

I didn't know even this coward was a hero in Pakistan!
 
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You don’t risk your men, wealth for bringing freedom, prosperity, culture etc to a country by attacking it you do it to gain more land more wealth more recourses more power & we are talking about hundreds & thousands of years back look around you it’s the same story,Iraq Kuwait war, USSR afghans war Iraq war, Afghan war, Libya war and so on. Its human nature greed ,
If some one does some thing wrong & we should not name our children with the same name soon we will be out of names.
 
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And stop blackmailing other ethnicities by repeating the stories of sacrifices and struggle that they did for this country. We know the history of the turncoats of Punjab who at the last moment jumped on the bandwagon of AIML to secure their privileges otherwise the dream of Pakistan would always remain a dream, the carnage that took place in Punjab at the time of partition was unpredicted but deplorable. How many Havelis, Bungalows and tons of gold every Mohajir left in India for the love for Pakistan is not a secret anymore. But we leave this topic here, I have enough knowledge to utterly extirpate many myths regarding that struggle and sacrifices but I don't want to start here a new fight.

So according to your knowledge mohajirs and punjabis didnt do much for sacrificed for Pakistan .. than who did ?? since you are very aware share share your " knowledge" bust the myths !
 
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You don’t risk your men, wealth for bringing freedom, prosperity, culture etc to a country by attacking it you do it to gain more land more wealth more recourses more power & we are talking about hundreds & thousands of years back look around you it’s the same story,Iraq Kuwait war, USSR afghans war Iraq war, Afghan war, Libya war and so on. Its human nature greed ,
If some one does some thing wrong & we should not name our children with the same name soon we will be out of names.

Thats pretty much the point majority muslims condemn and think the main reason behind us invasion was iraqs oil wealth not sadam or wmd's where as in the case of muslim invaders who did the same thing few hundred years back are called heroes !! thats a bit Hippocratic!?
 
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