Lal Masjid is still training militants?

[faisal4pro]

Have u ever experienced these people???
in case of Iraq i understand that there are reasons for the inhumane acts they perform in front of camera, in Afgh al right
But what is reason in case of Pakistan, u pick up every one & anyone without any reason, u threat for suicide bombs, u kill security people & expect that others will sit down & see u doing all this???
What was the soltion, Gov showed enough restrain to these people, i told u they understand language of bullet so lets talk to them in this language...
& BTW that Mullah Thug didnt had any shame in him when he decided to escape in "Burqa" what a idiotic loser he is...
U tell me whats the definition of 'Truth'?

i havent experienced these kinda pieces ever! i cant believe only one source and start saying like u! i need to read both sides and i realized that all this drama was not that much as it was displayed! there is sumthing behind scene and this thing is deal between Mullahs and Mush! i cant give u proofs same like u cant give me proofs!

so better tolerate my opinions and so i!

 

[The Patriot]

I was living near lal mosque during the operation just a few yards away. i used to go out and see the operation from a safe distance. for an entire week terrorists were firing bullets on security forces. we wondered how come so much weapon the have stashed which doesnt end. then i use to watch tv channels as there was curfew and i didnt go out of the area. media played a very negative role. it was giving live coverage to terrorists almost nonstop. it was clearly in favor of the mullahs.

i wondered why people condemn this operation. i mean what could a state do when you run parallel government within the capital just a couple of kilometers away from parliament. why did media and public condemned these mullahs for taking law into their own hands. why didnt they condemn them when they were not surrendering and instead firing on security forces. if they were innocent they should have allowed forces to check them. anyway, the media portrayed the whole incident in favor of terrorists. the same happened in other operations like Wazirirstan.

i think media was against all these operation because they did not like Musharraf for being a military ruler. if some one asks me why Musharraf did not succedd in winning against terrorists, i would say one big reason was the media which was against him and these operation. after the operation and arrest of Aziz gazi, i saw a lot of graffiti on walls in G 6 sector, in favor of jihad and mullahs. the signature was always Gazi Force. i think the graffiti is still there.

but this is also to noted that lal mosque is just a few hundred meters away from Shahid Hamid lines. how could intellegence agencies did not detect any wrongful activity. there were reports that these mullahs were once the protege of agencies. and once GAR was arrested with weapon but police let him go.

let me share a story with you which once my roommate told me before the operation. i was living in a hostel and i had a new roommate from lahore. he had spent most part of his life in europe. he was quite a gentleman. once he told me about GAR. he said that once his neigbour and friend came to him to accompany him to Islamabad. his friend had relatives in india but couldnt get visa. after rejection of visa mullah in his mahallah gave him a reference letter for GAR. my friend, lets call him X, and his friend, lets call him Y, both came to lal mosque.

X told me that GAR was given the letter and after he read the letter picked up his cell and called Indian embassy. then told Y to go tomorrow to the embassy and you will get your visa. both were given accommodation in the medressa. the next day he went to embassy and got his visa. X told me that he was stunned that how could a mullah be so influential. when the operation started after almost one year when my X told me the story, i recalled his story.

i cant draw any conclusion from this but isn't it interesting that a mullah can get you indian visa.

 

[Zee-Gen]

And there are those who put up a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity to disunite the Believers and in preparation for one who warred against Allah and His Messenger aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is noting but good; but Allah doth declare that they are certainly liars. (At-Tauba: 09 verse 107)

Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of thy standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and Allah loveth those who make themselves pure. (At-Tauba: 09 verse 108)

This revealed the conspiracy of disbelievers. The Holy Prophet (PBUH) through some companions at Medina got demolished “Masjid Zarar.”

The mischief-making is never acceptable in Islam. If “Lal Masjid” really had any believe in God than why they used human shield for their protection? and by the way u missed one important point…….10 innocent people were martyred on the first day of incident by “Lal Musjid” before the starting of military operation………and in Islam killing of one innocent person is equivalent to the killing of all humanity…….according to the sharia law………the families of victim reserve a right to take “Kasas” or forgive…….so, if they doesn’t forgive then its govt. responsibility to done justice accordingly. Whatever army did was as per sharia and our country’s law.

 

[Mujahid]

The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) stated:
"My Ummat is destined to differ and be divided. So a group will arise whose talks will sound very good but their character will be misleading. They will read the Quran but it will not descend below their throats (just oral reading). They will leave Deen just as an arrow pierces and goes right through the prey. They will not return to Islam. They are the worst of creation because of their nature and constitution. They will call the people towards the Quran and Deen whilst in reality they will have nothing to do with Islam. Whoever will confront them, he will be the most beloved servant of Allah. The Sahaba inquired: "Ya Rasoolullah, (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) what is their sign?" He replied: "Sitting in a Halqa (circle)."(Mishkat Shareef, pp/308)

 

[pak-marine]

faisal4pro;Wt can i say on ur detailed report! well done!

u need to listen to some intelligence reports of that time! our security agencies were against this operation as this could have long lasting reactions! but musharaf did it! as he was asked to do so to get a huge money in terms of help or aid. i dont believe on ur source that this much ammunition was found there! there were pistols and AK-47 that was earlier supplied to them by our govt himself to play a drama to show to USA to get aid and to dramatize the situation that our capital is being under attack and help us! our govt made us fool and this action have long lasting effect! please this is time not to shout and work against Our Own Self! Stay United against the War against Pakistan![/B]

May be security agencies were afraid of the outcome thats why they were against the action if they were against this action"!? Pistols or AKz one or 1000's without a license are illegal weapons ! how dare these rats can go against the law and constitution of the country!? Mushraf was a dictator but he took a very courageous action which no one in Pak has nuts to do. He gave them a week ! a week for the whole world to watch this stupid cowardly drama set by this morons .... they got what they deserve...! Pakistan at the moment is at war against these extremists



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Ok ask that to him! it is our obligation to respect Masjid![/QUOTE]

 

[HAIDER]

I was living near lal mosque during the operation just a few yards away. i used to go out and see the operation from a safe distance. for an entire week terrorists were firing bullets on security forces. we wondered how come so much weapon the have stashed which doesnt end. then i use to watch tv channels as there was curfew and i didnt go out of the area. media played a very negative role. it was giving live coverage to terrorists almost nonstop. it was clearly in favor of the mullahs.

i wondered why people condemn this operation. i mean what could a state do when you run parallel government within the capital just a couple of kilometers away from parliament. why did media and public condemned these mullahs for taking law into their own hands. why didnt they condemn them when they were not surrendering and instead firing on security forces. if they were innocent they should have allowed forces to check them. anyway, the media portrayed the whole incident in favor of terrorists. the same happened in other operations like Wazirirstan.

i think media was against all these operation because they did not like Musharraf for being a military ruler. if some one asks me why Musharraf did not succedd in winning against terrorists, i would say one big reason was the media which was against him and these operation. after the operation and arrest of Aziz gazi, i saw a lot of graffiti on walls in G 6 sector, in favor of jihad and mullahs. the signature was always Gazi Force. i think the graffiti is still there.

but this is also to noted that lal mosque is just a few hundred meters away from Shahid Hamid lines. how could intellegence agencies did not detect any wrongful activity. there were reports that these mullahs were once the protege of agencies. and once GAR was arrested with weapon but police let him go.

let me share a story with you which once my roommate told me before the operation. i was living in a hostel and i had a new roommate from lahore. he had spent most part of his life in europe. he was quite a gentleman. once he told me about GAR. he said that once his neigbour and friend came to him to accompany him to Islamabad. his friend had relatives in india but couldnt get visa. after rejection of visa mullah in his mahallah gave him a reference letter for GAR. my friend, lets call him X, and his friend, lets call him Y, both came to lal mosque.

X told me that GAR was given the letter and after he read the letter picked up his cell and called Indian embassy. then told Y to go tomorrow to the embassy and you will get your visa. both were given accommodation in the medressa. the next day he went to embassy and got his visa. X told me that he was stunned that how could a mullah be so influential. when the operation started after almost one year when my X told me the story, i recalled his story.

i cant draw any conclusion from this but isn't it interesting that a mullah can get you indian visa.

Intelligence agencies knows where mullahs connection ends. R Malik is not crazy and shouting stop Indian infiltration in religious columns and India is behind majority of cases. Where India still hold the house of Deoband, who accept or deny is house of extremist. But India intentionally keep this Deoband away from reach of other muslims. Which later can be use as to get the membership of OIC, being holding a huge population of Muslims in India.

 

[Beskar]

So you want us to condemn these guys but forget about how they came about?......no lal masjid massacre and there would have been no gazi force.

So you're blaming the Army for the Lal Masjid "Massacre"? It's not like the army started an offensive against a bunch of students with books and sticks in their hands. They bunkered the Masji'd minarets, they booby-trapped the corridors, entrances and mined the courtyard and various rooms. I think it's pretty clear who was "Itching" for a massacre. One of my family member was part of the operation and he infiltrated the compound with the other commandos. I can assure you, they had enough arms and ammunition in there to last for days.

Yeah yeah....and there where loads of foreign militants in lal masjid also but strangely no bodies.

No bodies? I suppose all the militants who were flaunting their weapons and ammunition before the attack simply "Vanished" in thin air. Foreign or home-grown, the militants were present there. 10 of our commandos embraced shahadaat with dozens injured because of the operation and fierce retaliation by the terrorists. You think their sacrifices and injuries came from fighting a mythological group of people?

What stopped the govt the first time from putting him in jail?

Don't blame the government for that. The current government gave the other stooge a free pass and it's not a secret to anyone that he was attending Sufi Muhammad's mass gatherings in SWAT, supporting terrorist attacks against the state of Pakistan. So yes, we should have arrested him back then but shouldn't you blame the mighty "Supreme Court" for releasing AG?

So lal masjid is not training terrorist then?

Refer to my first post. I never said that LM is training terrorists now, my point was that there were terrorists in the masjid then, and their supporters and leaders haven't changed and they are still terrorists. The LM operation was justified and now there's another militant organization force out there (GF) not because of the operation, but because they're simply trying to achieve what they failed to achieve back in 2007.

P.S don't reply with one liners again.

 

[The Patriot]

army should not be involved everywhere. but only if there is a need. the difference between the military ruler and democracy is that whatever is done in military rule is blamed on army but its not the case in civilian rule. thats why we see the image of army is back to almost to the pre-musharraf era.

 

[Slides]

Intelligence agencies knows where mullahs connection ends. R Malik is not crazy and shouting stop Indian infiltration in religious columns and India is behind majority of cases. Where India still hold the house of Deoband, who accept or deny is house of extremist. But India intentionally keep this Deoband away from reach of other muslims. Which later can be use as to get the membership of OIC, being holding a huge population of Muslims in India.

You don't know anything about Deoband, so please learn a little before posting.