Lakhvi, a free man for now

[Indian Patriot]

The Americans seem to hardly care, if the lack of coverage is proof enough.

From the Pakistani view, Mumbai was a tragedy that India is trying to exploit for its own benefit.

Why do you think the American press would be concerned about Pakistan? They have other fish to fry. The Americans won't help India, they will look after their own interests. If you think Americans will calmly forget American deaths then you are very sadly mistaken. They are not India or Indians.

In micro view Lakhvi may or may not concern the Yanks. But in a macro view they have their eyes on Pakistan. How many Americans agencies and agents are working in Pakistan today? How many drones are operated from Pakistan today? First 26/11 then Operation Neptune. You can be rest assured on what Americans think about Pakistan.

 

[That Guy]

from the link

But with two other cases lodged against him, he cannot be released from Haryana's Ambala jail, where he is currently lodged. The charges against him include murder and sedition.

He is still in jail as we speak even when there is no substantial evidence against him & could you plz tell me who is Arif Qasmani & why UN has
Ban his travel and freezed his assets under 1267 committee of the United Nations Security Council after the bombing

Oh you mean that guy who the US accused of being an ISI agent and being behind the attack? The accusation that Indian agencies laughed if as nothing more than a ploy to get closer to India?

Tell me, if he was guilty, why are Indian agencies convinced it was a Hindu group?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

We give a dam

It shows

Oh you mean that guy who the US accused of being an ISI agent and being behind the attack? The accusation that Indian agencies laughed if as nothing more than a ploy to get closer to India?

Tell me, if he was guilty, why are Indian agencies convinced it was a Hindu group?

That's how the world ends up linking you with terror

 

[That Guy]

Why do you think the American press would be concerned about Pakistan? They have other fish to fry. The Americans won't help India, they will look after their own interests. If you think Americans will calmly forget American deaths then you are very sadly mistaken. They are not India or Indians.

You realize that the first half of your statement directly contradicts the second half? Besides, you brought up the Americans, not me

In micro view Lakhvi may or may not concern the Yanks. But in a macro view they have their eyes on Pakistan. How many Americans agencies and agents are working in Pakistan today? How many drones are operated from Pakistan today? First 26/11 then Operation Neptune. You can be rest assured on what Americans think about Pakistan.

It hardly matters what the Americans think, they wont piss of Pakistan too much. As for drone strikes in Pakistan, they hardly occur anymore. In fact, most of them are on the Afghan side of the border.

As for the Neptune, its been discussed to death.

That's how the world ends up linking you with terror

What? That doesn't even make any sense.

I cant see your flag, but im gping to assume you're Indian. So you're saying that you trust the US agencies over India's? Really? After the US made the allegations, India asked for evidence, but none has to this day, been presented. This is why Indian agencies continue to believe that it was a Hindu outfit that carried out the attack.

If you can't even trust your own agencies, what standing do you have of defending India's track record?

 

[Indian Patriot]

You realize that the first half of your statement directly contradicts the second half? Besides, you brought up the Americans, not me

American media, American government. Two different entities.

And America will be involved when their citizens were murdered. Be assured of that.

It hardly matters what the Americans think, they wont piss of Pakistan too much. As for drone strikes in Pakistan, they hardly occur anymore. In fact, most of them are on the Afghan side of the border.

As for the Neptune, its been discussed to death.

Why would US be scared of Pakistan? Maybe the drone strikes happen but the media is not allowed to speak about it. In either case it shows that US can and has taken action according to their interests.

Neptune was a stand alone US mission. Pakistan had no clue what happened and when?

 

[Dr Gupta]

Are you really trying to justify this? Pakistanis were targeted by Indian terrorists, Indian casualties were merely collateral damage to the terrorists.

Don't try to play these games with me.

yes the majority of victims were Pakistani but it did occur on Indian soil and there was many blasts prior to that such as the Mumbai train blast.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

What? That doesn't even make any sense.

I cant see your flag, but im gping to assume you're Indian. So you're saying that you trust the US agencies over India's? Really? After the US made the allegations, India asked for evidence, but none has to this day, been presented. This is why Indian agencies continue to believe that it was a Hindu outfit that carried out the attack.

If you can't even trust your own agencies, what standing do you have of defending India's track record?

They have presented multiple evidence including phone record conversations during the attack. Sure you call it unconvincing coz you're scared of Saeed, that's your problem. And yes, India's track record is way better than yours.

 

[That Guy]

American media, American government. Two different entities.

And America will be involved when their citizens were murdered. Be assured of that.

When it comes to sensationalism, you can bet the US has everyone beat. If the government even remotely cared, we'd be hearing about it.

Why would US be scared of Pakistan? Maybe the drone strikes happen but the media is not allowed to speak about it. In either case it shows that US can and has taken action according to their interests.

Nit about fear, rather geopolitical realities. Why do you think, after so long of denying Pakistan advanced helicopters and military hardware, the Americans are going to start selling to Pakistan again? Despite the clear mistrust and having to justify their sale to the media? Geopolitical realities.

Neptune was a stand alone US mission. Pakistan had no clue what happened and when?

I'm not going to be dragged into a topic that has been discussed to death, especially when I'm arguing over my phone. You'll have to forgive me, if I don't want to break my fingers and phone.

 

[Dr Gupta]

The NYT report said both the British Intelligence Agency, Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), as well as an Indian Intelligence agency had tracked Zarar Shah's laptop communications before the 26/11 attacks which pointed to possible targets of the attack and information on possible location for boat landings by the terrorists in Mumbai. "Indian Intelligence agencies had no access to Shah's laptop communications before the 26/11 attacks. We also did not know before-hand about the exact sea route to be taken by the terrorists," a top IB official has told ET. He added that the same was shared by the GCHQ only after the attacks had occurred and India had never independently tapped Shah's laptop.

 

[Shamain]

Wow now samjhota blast is justified.

If america has so much issue with death of three of its citizens why uptil now they have remained quiet.
kerry had visited pakistan, dg isi visited usa, when ihc had cancelled lakhvi detention then state dept spokesperson marie harf hadnt even mentioned us citizens even for once, she had only made a diplomatic statement entirely in indian context that pakistan you promised to punish culprits and thats it.
Why she didn talk about american deaths.
Stop throwing around american citizens dhamkiyan.
Why usa has remained silent here??? They have been given all proofs by india and pakistan and they know where the facts stand.
I dont care for lakhvi shakhvis but when india does black operations then she shoudnt expect everyone to buy her botched drama stories.
Where is david headley now????? The planted witness.
Why india was so quick to hang innocent afzal guru over collective conscience nonsense, and they want same to be done to lakhvi.
Do voice recordings act as a proof in court of law?

 

[Dr Gupta]

India also failed massively due to lack of coordination between various intelligence agencies and also the stupid NDTV reporting which told the terrorists where the hostages were located, but now we have learnt to conduct a media blackout for future attacks.

Wow now samjhota blast is justified.

If america has so much issue with death of three of its citizens why uptil now they have remained quiet.
kerry had visited pakistan, dg isi visited usa, when ihc had cancelled lakhvi detention then state dept spokesperson marie harf hadnt even mentioned us citizens even for once, she had only made a diplomatic statement entirely in indian context that pakistan you promised to punish culprits and thats it.
Why she didn talk about american deaths.
Stop throwing around american citizens dhamkiyan.
Why usa has remained silent here??? They have been given all proofs by india and pakistan and they know where the facts stand.
I dont care for lakhvi shakhvis but when india does black operations then she shoudnt expect everyone to buy her botched drama stories.
Where is david headley now????? The planted witness.
Why india was so quick to hang innocent afzal guru over collective conscience nonsense, and they want same to be done to lakhvi.
Do voice recordings act as a proof in court of law?

Not just voice samples but also laptop communications by British intelligence.

 

[That Guy]

They have presented multiple evidence including phone record conversations during the attack. Sure you call it unconvincing coz you're scared of Saeed, that's your problem. And yes, India's track record is way better than yours.

You know, this is exactly why I can't take you seriously. You're purposefully trying to mix two arguments together. The US-Samjhota argument and the Mumbai argument. Even then phone records aren't enough, you need to verify and collect hard evidence of involvement. Simply using phone records would be laughed out of any court in the world, including India.

 

[Indian Patriot]

When it comes to sensationalism, you can bet the US has everyone beat. If the government even remotely cared, we'd be hearing about it.

In first world countries the media is independent and is not controlled by government. At the same time government does not inform media of its policies prior to being officially declared.

Nit about fear, rather geopolitical realities. Why do you think, after so long of denying Pakistan advanced helicopters and military hardware, the Americans are going to start selling to Pakistan again? Despite the clear mistrust and having to justify their sale to the media? Geopolitical realities.

Business and politics are different things. USSR and Nazi Germany were largest trading partners right upto the start of world war two. In fact they had military exercises as well.

And what possible geo-political advantage can Pakistan offer or more accurately deny? Pakistan is not in a position to deny US.

 

[That Guy]

yes the majority of victims were Pakistani but it did occur on Indian soil and there was many blasts prior to that such as the Mumbai train blast.

Other attacks are unrelated to this topic, and location only matters when it comes to jurisdiction and sovereignty. In this case, the fact it happened in India only matters because it is up to India to pursue a case, not Pakistan.

 

[me_itsme]

Yeah only Taliban school massacre Is the only real terrorist attack others all are freedom fighting ops conducted by the hero freedom fighters.

Nothing to see here, Pakistanis being themselves. No amount of blood shed and death gonna change that.