Lakhvi, a free man for now

[Shamain]

Indian patriot your america excuse or threat or whatever is laughable stuff so hold it back baby.

Mr gupta, whoa thats uber funny of u to say indian intelligence agencies had failed. This is what I HAD BEEN SCREAMING LOUD AT TOP OF MY LUNGS SINCE YESTERDAY,on one hand your gov and agencies say our evidences were rock solid on the other yousay our agencies failed. What the hell is on.
Guys firstly go and find put voice recordings are accepted as a proof in court of law or not.

Secondly, call recordings collected by indians were of satellite phones. I wonder how much a satellite phone conversation would be clear, communicating from lahore to indian gujrat, it was something like this???right???
And Omg this whole british intel agencies had laptop communications were bunch of lies that came out after ProPublica documentary .
Phew! You better argue with a brick wall then with an indian.

 

[nik141991]

They have presented multiple evidence including phone record conversations during the attack. Sure you call it unconvincing coz you're scared of Saeed, that's your problem. And yes, India's track record is way better than yours.

Leave it remember when zabiuddin ansari was being deported from Saudi arabia, ISI & Pakistani diplomat tryed their level best to stop it even giving him a pakistani identity & passport ,the whole world watched that tamasha & they still argues that no way state was involved in the attacks

 

[Shamain]

Yeah only Taliban school massacre Is the only real terrorist attack others all are freedom fighting ops conducted by the hero freedom fighters.

Nothing to see here, Pakistanis being themselves. No amount of blood shed and death gonna change that.

Yes that attack was real. thanx to your ajit dovals who couldnt bear his assets being pummeled and hammered on our western front.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

You know, this is exactly why I can't take you seriously. You're purposefully trying to mix two arguments together. The US-Samjhota argument and the Mumbai argument. Even then phone records aren't enough, you need to verify and collect hard evidence of involvement. Simply using phone records would be laughed out of any court in the world, including India.

No one's interested in whtehr you take me seriously or not. By into acknowledging crucial evidence as important you're just making a laughing stock of yourself to the world. As if Samjhauta express evidence was video footage of the perpetrators planting the bombs. We saw the links and threw them in the slammer. If you don't you're just quibbling. That's when people laugh at you.

 

[ManavKalia]

It hardly matters what the Americans think, they wont piss of Pakistan too much. As for drone strikes in Pakistan, they hardly occur anymore. In fact, most of them are on the Afghan side of the border.

No other country has been raped by America more than Pakistan. First they used Pakistani soil to create the Taliban. Then they used Pakistani soil to attack the Taliban. Thousands of Pakistani citizens have been killed as a result for no fault of theirs. All because your government and army were too weak kneed to stop your soil being used for American whims and fancies.

Congrats to Pakistan, and congrats to lakhvi..

Seems it'll take many more APS type massacres before terrorism is taken seriously.. Cheers and all the best..

It's great for India btw, as his 26/11 trial was going no where anyways. We can just forget the farce and concentrate on our own security and economy and forget Pakistan, and leave it to the irrelevance it is consigned to for India..

 

[Dr Gupta]

Other attacks are unrelated to this topic, and location only matters when it comes to jurisdiction and sovereignty. In this case, the fact it happened in India only matters because it is up to India to pursue a case, not Pakistan.

both cases should reach it's logical conclusion with the victims getting justice and the culprits facing jail or death penalty.

 

[That Guy]

In first world countries the media is independent and is not controlled by government. At the same time government does not inform media of its policies prior to being officially declared.

That's not strictly true. Simple example, Canada has government controlled media channels, the biggest being the cbc, and has numerous deals with third parties such as the ctv. Often, these channels board cast directly government policy and agendas as a part of spreading the message.

Business and politics are different things. USSR and Nazi Germany were largest trading partners right upto the start of world war two. In fact they had military exercises as well.

Way to bring up Godwin's law, I was hoping to avoid it. Anyway business and politics are intricately connected, even if the links are subtle.

I don't know if you've been reading up on the news for the last 14 years, but Afghanistan is a major issue, especially since ISIS is spreading itself. The US doesn't want to see all its efforts wasted, and the only early to make sure is to have a friendly Pakistan. Why do you think the US was relieved when Ghani started leaning towards Pakistan?

Pakistan can do a lot of damage to US interests in the region simply by not doing anything. There is a reason why Pakistan, despite all the low points in US-PAKISTAN relations, is stilled considered a vital and valuable strategic ally. This suddenness of the weapon sale to Pakistan is evidence enough of how important the US considers Pakistan.

And what possible geo-political advantage can Pakistan offer or more accurately deny? Pakistan is not in a position to deny US.[/QUOTE]

both cases should reach it's logical conclusion with the victims getting justice and the culprits facing jail or death penalty.

I agree, what I have a problem with is people pretending they're morally superior. Pakistan is in the same boat as India, and the soon both sides realize this, the better.

 

[Dr Gupta]

That's not strictly true. Simple example, Canada has government controlled media channels, the biggest being the cbc, and has numerous deals with third parties such as the ctv. Often, these channels board cast directly government policy and agendas as a part of spreading the message.




Way to bring up Godwin's law, I was hoping to avoid it. Anyway business and politics are intricately connected, even if the links are subtle.

I don't know if you've been reading up on the news for the last 14 years, but Afghanistan is a major issue, especially since ISIS is spreading itself. The US doesn't want to see all its efforts wasted, and the only early to make sure is to have a friendly Pakistan. Why do you think the US was relieved when Ghani started leaning towards Pakistan?

Pakistan can do a lot of damage to US interests in the region simply by not doing anything. There is a reason why Pakistan, despite all the low points in US-PAKISTAN relations, is stilled considered a vital and valuable strategic ally. This suddenness of the weapon sale to Pakistan is evidence enough of how important the US considers Pakistan.

And what possible geo-political advantage can Pakistan offer or more accurately deny? Pakistan is not in a position to deny US.

I agree, what I have a problem with is people pretending they're morally superior. Pakistan is in the same boat as India, and the soon both sides realize this, the better.[/QUOTE]


We are the same people with the same issues facing each other. I do think that the saffron terror cells were a retaliation to the bombings done by LET/SIMI/IM but 2 wrongs do not make a right.

 

[That Guy]

No one's interested in whtehr you take me seriously or not. By into acknowledging crucial evidence as important you're just making a laughing stock of yourself to the world. As if Samjhauta express evidence was video footage of the perpetrators planting the bombs. We saw the links and threw them in the slammer. If you don't you're just quibbling. That's when people laugh at you.

I'm simply stating the law. Phone evidence (if it was even presented) is not enough to convict, that is simply the law. Video evidence is different, because you have clear visual evidence, but even then, context is needed. Location, context, voice verification, eye witness, all these are methods to enhance vocal evidence such as phone recordings, but not phone recordings themselves.

There is no such thing as a single piece of evidence equaling a smoking gun.

 

[xyxmt]

International pressure will see that he is rearrested sooner or later.

if by international pressure you mean Indian pressure, then no he wont go back in, in fact this will make sure that he stays out. If international pressure means US and Europe then I would say they dont give squat about it, they will actually use this as a tool to sell more weapons to India.

 

[Shamain]

This is such a big lie that saffron terror cells popped up as a retaliation to let, jud etc.
They had always been there since indian independence.
Who you think you are fooling.
Who did gujrat massacares.
When godhra riots had happened usa had sent its investigation commission in 2002 i n that inquiry commission it was found out that hindu terror groups receive massive donations and funding from USA based NRIs . But Usa being a hypocrite did nothing about it. Whilst it was the loudest to scream of terrorism coming from muslims.
It was a result of that commission that Usa had banned modi but it had done nothing regarding funding of hindu terror groups.
Think about india n lobby in usa and their influence on some congressmen.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I'm simply stating the law. Phone evidence (if it was even presented) is not enough to convict, that is simply the law. Video evidence is different, because you have clear visual evidence, but even then, context is needed. Location, context, voice verification, eye witness, all these are methods to enhance vocal evidence such as phone recordings, but not phone recordings themselves.

There is no such thing as a single piece of evidence equaling a smoking gun.

Isn't this great! If there was a crime against an American you'll pull the fingers off a few people a few guys, beat them into a pulp and quote all of that as evidence to a swift conclusion. But with India you will quote all the technicalities in the world.

 

[ManavKalia]

This is such a big lie that saffron terror cells popped up as a retaliation to let, jud etc.
They had always been there since indian independence.
Who you think you are fooling.
Who did gujrat massacares.
When godhra riots had happened usa had sent its investigation commission in 2002 i n that inquiry commission it was found out that hindu terror groups receive massive donations and funding from USA based NRIs . But Usa being a hypocrite did nothing about it. Whilst it was the loudest to scream of terrorism coming from muslims.
It was a result of that commission that Usa had banned modi but it had done nothing regarding funding of hindu terror groups.
Think about india n lobby in usa and their influence on some congressmen.

Stop being jealous of Indian lobby and influence in American congress.. Aspire to emulate India and have Pakistani lobby and influence in their congress..

 

[That Guy]

Isn't this great! If there was a crime against an American you'll pull the fingers off a few people a few guys, beat them into a pulp and quote all of that as evidence to a swift conclusion. But with India you will quote all the technicalities in the world.

And why would I do that? If you're going to accuse me of something, you damn well better prove it.

 

[Shamain]

Stop being jealous of Indian lobby and influence in American congress.. Aspire to emulate India and have Pakistani lobby and influence in their congress..

Jealous my foot.
I would give your lobby no two flying rotten banana peels.
And remember what bobby jindal said recently, I am not indian american i am just american.
Lolz.
Very interesting how you ducked terror cells funding part.