Lack of aggression from Pakistan?

[maverick1977]

Full control of taliban is fantasy when Americans can bomb them anywhere they want from with in Afghanistan. Its like saying militants in IoK, BLA or TTP have control in any area. America want to get out, simple as that.

Do you think India want to get out of IoK? Pakistan will give up Balochistan if BLA continue terrorist attacks? Wake up buddy. Nothing short of war will get us IoK. And our best hope is China pushing forward in Ladakh.

the only way to get kaahmir is war, and that too complete liberation or going to red fort ..

 

[macnurv]

Lack of aggression from Pakistan?

Sun Tzu in his famous Art of War says, “In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity.” The scope of this article is to examine as to why Pakistan’s responses to chaos within and around Hindutva led India - particularly concerning the purely self-defensive measures of China in Ladakh - seem listless and vapid and various opportunities, apparently, have been allowed to slip through.

Many fellow Pakistanis would disagree and quite rightly point out reasonable factors prohibiting Pakistan to take a more vigorous military approach. Some might even suggest a clandestine operation is already underway. Furthermore, a section might also argue that Pakistani involvement could portray India as a victim.

It is immaterial whether you agree with the title of this article or disagree with it. The question is hasn’t India done the same in the past against Pakistan? Why should anything obstruct Pakistan to simply return the favour? Just a reminder, at every point of time, India has used every opportunity to erase Pakistan’s existence. After failing to stop Pakistan’s creation and even failing to strangle it in infancy, India invaded, Junagarh while Pakistan was having problems with Khan of Kalat. It again invaded Kashmir when Pakistan was overwhelmed with countless refugees from Jammu fleeing massacre. Hyderabad’s invasion, days after Mr. Jinnah’s death, is a prime example. Again India in 1950 set out to “Liquidate” the young Pakistan as Afghanistan was conducting military raids inside Pakistani territory. 1950-54 was possibly the most dangerous period of Pakistani history. Consequently, Pakistan had no choice, but to go for SEATO and CENTO. (A reply to absolute vacuous minded imbeciles who vociferously criticize Pakistan of being a US lackey).

In the 60s, constant raids in Azad Kashmir and East Pakistan continued while Pakistan was once again engaged by militants from Afghanistan in KP and Balochistan with complete support from the Afghan govt. It’s futile to mention the 70s. In the 80s the same trend continued, while Pakistani ruler was needlessly busy in internal affairs, Siachen was invaded. In the 90s, the sectarian monster was fully used by India again. Pakistan did reply in its very limited capacity. From 2000s, when Pakistan became involved in another Afghan war, despite President Musharaff’s peace overtures, ethnic and religious extremist insurgencies were fanned directly by India and its continuing. Even today, India has made its belligerent intentions abundantly clear.

The point of this reasoning which some enthusiasts might find boring, is simple. Pakistan has never responded proportionally to India’s interferences. Even today, when Pakistan boasts a large and formidable military machine, its passivity is glaring to many. Why hasn’t the establishment in Islamabad, taken complete advantage of the recent Ladakh crisis by engaging India’s border troops or at least supporting armed struggle in Occupied Kashmir? Why is that, even today dissidents from North Eastern Indian states who are more closely related to China, not being hosted or even contacted by Pakistan such as in Manipur, Tripura and Nagaland? This is the time to bring out the dissident and oppressed voices as India’s nuclear as well as conventional deterrence has been cracked wide open by China.

India’s perceived pre-eminence in South Asia is shattered which gives way to smaller powers to open up. Has Pakistan made any effort to let us say arm the Nepalese establishment?

The reasons of this inhibition to engage India seem more out of a cautious approach. It could be that Pakistan establishment fears destabilization and its unintended consequences. Perhaps, in their calculus, India could setup a two front war with the help of Afghanistan and owing to a debilitated economic situation, this could have negative ramifications for Pakistan. Another plausible reason could be the backlash feared from the international power players and its effects on the FATF saga.

These factors have their genuine supporters and carry weight; however, the gravity of the situation in the region demands a more aggressive approach against India. It is paramount that Pakistan roils up India’s federation. North East is one of the prime candidates. If Kashmir’s support is viewed as abetting terrorism by international players –who care nothing about Pakistan’s interests- Indian occupied North East could be an alternative target. North Easterners practically live in a highly discriminating colonial Indian polity. China’s victory can prove to be the impetus they need to acquire freedom. Similarly, Naxalites must also be provided complete assistance. Their exploits in central eastern India warrant attention and help. Pakistan must view the entire India as a battle space. At this point of time. Pakistani establishment do not need to be even creative, they just to need emulate the Indian template of war philosophy which the Hindutva establishment has followed against Pakistan since the beginning. Even now there is a reasonable chance of an Indian misadventure.

For Pakistanis it is imperative to understand, this is India’s 2011 moment. Pakistan faced a similar demoralizing effect after US raid on Abbottabad. India took complete advantage and the subsequent terror attacks are proof. Hence, in one’s opinion it is incumbent on Pakistan’s establishment to avenge the blood of Pakistan’s innocent people who were and are being directly attacked by Hindutva led India. Power matrix in South Asia is undergoing change as the fascist Hindu empire is vulnerable, it is up to Pakistan if they want to keep it this way

You are quoting Sun Tzu, yet it seems to me that you dont even have surface level understanding of his works. BJP lead government had done all the work for us, why should Pakistan give the proto facist's a life line by attacking India, if anything we must sit back and enjoy the show. Today India is having a border conflict with three of its neighbours, the morale of its forces is down in the drains. BJP and RSS had put India on a path of destruction, its decent into chaos is inevitable. If anything we should keep our guard up and enjoy the show.

Having said that NO I do not hate India or its citizens, but I do hate what India had turned into under Modi and BJP lead government. It was a country of contrast, but now its turned into a mob of lunatics. The Indians had started to believe in their own lies about their inherent greatness and turned arrogant. Yet many refuses to learn the lesson. Oh India what you have done with yourself is something even your worst enemies can only dream of.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Pakistanis are not an aggressive nation. They are too preoccupied with household saas bahu dramas and rolling out the red carpet for mehmaan.
Even the Bangladeshis and Afghans were much more aggressive full of venom towards Pakistan.

 

[ejaz007]

Full control of taliban is fantasy when Americans can bomb them anywhere they want from with in Afghanistan. Its like saying militants in IoK, BLA or TTP have control in any area. America want to get out, simple as that.

Do you think India want to get out of IoK? Pakistan will give up Balochistan if BLA continue terrorist attacks? Wake up buddy. Nothing short of war will get us IoK. And our best hope is China pushing forward in Ladakh.

You are mixing up a lot of scenarios. Focusing on IOK.

India won't quit IOK. Yes and why should they quit.

Pakistan shall have to force them out. Yes but are they willing to do so. Not the present government or the military chief.

 

[A.A. Khan]

Nepal has shown more grit and guts than Pakistani establishment. Imran Khan is crap but this Army chief has been worse. Under Bajwa Pakistan Army has lost a lot of its men on the LoC only, civilians killed by India are another case. Gen Raheel Sharif like personality was needed. If his term had been extended PAkistan woud not have suffered so much.

Nawaz Sharif has devastated Pakistan with his choice of Gen. Bajwa

 

[imrankhan7250]

Nepal has shown more grit and guts than Pakistani establishment. Imran Khan is crap but this Army chief has been worse. Under Bajwa Pakistan Army has lost a lot of its men on the LoC only, civilians killed by India are another case. Gen Raheel Sharif like personality was needed. If his term had been extended PAkistan woud not have suffered so much.

Nawaz Sharif has devastated Pakistan with his choice of Gen. Bajwa

If you cant fight for your jugular vein, you will end up fighting to save your back.

 

[Silverblaze]

You are quoting Sun Tzu, yet it seems to me that you dont even have surface level understanding of his works. BJP lead government had done all the work for us, why should Pakistan give the proto facist's a life line by attacking India, if anything we must sit back and enjoy the show. Today India is having a border conflict with three of its neighbours, the morale of its forces is down in the drains. BJP and RSS had put India on a path of destruction, its decent into chaos is inevitable. If anything we should keep our guard up and enjoy the show.

Having said that NO I do not hate India or its citizens, but I do hate what India had turned into under Modi and BJP lead government. It was a country of contrast, but now its turned into a mob of lunatics. The Indians had started to believe in their own lies about their inherent greatness and turned arrogant. Yet many refuses to learn the lesson. Oh India what you have done with yourself is something even your worst enemies can only dream of.

You might know Sun Tzu better, but the point is who is asking anyone to launch a full scale attack on India? Why not a hybrid war? India has done this time and again.

 

[Kabira]

You are mixing up a lot of scenarios. Focusing on IOK.

India won't quit IOK. Yes and why should they quit.

Pakistan shall have to force them out. Yes but are they willing to do so. Not the present government or the military chief.

You need to differentiate between militancy and war. Militancy comes in to play after losing war or being weak. Pakistan wouldnt need to train militants if our army was good enough to get IoK by force.

Comparing Pakistan army with rag tag militants is foolish. If Pakistan army losses then thats the end of Pakistan as we know it. You need good economy for good army.

 

[macnurv]

You might know Sun Tzu better, but the point is who is asking anyone to launch a full scale attack on India? Why not a hybrid war? India has done this time and again.

One thing is for sure, you neither read Sun Tzu or what I stated in my post. Read it again about giving Modi an opportunity to use Pakistan to increase his political position.

 

[ejaz007]

You need to differentiate between militancy and war. Militancy comes in to play after losing war or being weak. Pakistan wouldnt need to train militants if our army was good enough to get IoK by force.

Comparing Pakistan army with rag tag militants is foolish. If Pakistan army losses then thats the end of Pakistan as we know it. You need good economy for good army.

You are confirming my point that our military does not have the will to fight. That is why they tried to achieve some thing by training militants.

The problem with militants is that they are for sale to the highest bidder. In our case they turned on us when fed well by external governments.

 

[Silverblaze]

One thing is for sure, you neither read Sun Tzu or what I stated in my post. Read it again about giving Modi an opportunity to use Pakistan to increase his political position.

Please, you dont know If I read someone or not. Point is why are you fixated on Modi? Did modi order East Pakistan invasion or did he start Baloch insurgency or TTP? India's hybrid war on Pak predates this modi. After modi, amit shah will come, so will shah become a problem? No. Modi or shah are nothing just puppets of the state of mind of the hindu establishment, our real enemy.

May be I have failed to explain my point for which I apologize to you and others. India is an eternal enemy and in that context, every opportunity that comes must be used to poke them. This is what they have been doing. Whether its Sun Tzu or Chanakya or any other, they will advise you the same.

No disrespect to you and others, I just dont agree with you which is my right. Once again I apologize for not explaining my points properly. Insh Allah next time I will try a better approach.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

The incumbent patriotic Government and the Military need to blame all this inaction on three-times democratically elected PM Nawaz Sharif somehow.

PM Imran Khan on parliamentary floor after losing Kashmir: "What shall I do, go to war?"

 

[Crusher]

Pakistanis are not an aggressive nation. They are too preoccupied with household saas bahu dramas and rolling out the red carpet for mehmaan.
Even the Bangladeshis and Afghans were much more aggressive full of venom towards Pakistan.

We used to be an active ambitious brave nation but only till 1988 when Gen. Zia died in the plane crash, his legacy continued for few years after his death but later on sometimes around early to middle 90s Pakistan got occupied by the khassi regimes that we are left with ever since. Then Musharraf one of the biggest khassi rats destroyed any aggression left in the nation when he consolidated his clownish "moderate and enlightened" dictatorship around the year 2000. So yes since Musharraf's times Pakistan has indeed turned into a totally non-aggressive khassi nation, that is a reality, I have seen this disgusting transformation in front of my own eyes.

 

[El Sidd]

Imran Khan on parliamentary floor after losing Kashmir: "What shall I do, go to war?"

He went to Trump for mediation

If you cant fight for your jugular vein, you will end up fighting to save your back.

Not one of 51 cabinet members discuss Kashmir with him

 

[The Maverick]

Economy drives everything
GDP and FOREX is GOD when comparing national power
nuclear warheads have given pakistan zero credibility the arabs still pick india over you lot all day.

KASHMIR or ANNEXING IOK ..........your only hope is NOW ..... this moment will CHINA go thru an d take LADAKH and IOK for you to take your slice.

OR will china chicken out ........now INDIA HAS mobilsed for WAR and killed chinease soldiers.