Lack of aggression from Pakistan?

[Ace of Spades]

We need to study the Meiji restoration of Japan, the Chinese cultural revolution of Mao, and Atatürk's economic/cultural ideas which made modern Turkey.

It should be deeply Pakistani and unique to our setting and faith. Quaid e Azam, Allama Iqbal, and Maulana Maududi did all of the hard work.

Bingo... and that's not gonna come with out a planned strategy and will. Among so many things that Imran Khan disappointed is this front. This didn't need billions in investment. Educational reforms and that include madrassa reforms should've had been implemented right away... Standardized education curriculum, appointment of scholars in masajids and madrassas is the way forward. Religious education from people who are well versed in history, religious thoughts, contemporary studies...

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

My gut feelings is Pak will fight back really hard and decisively when India attacks her....

Modi hasn't disappointed Pak so far....

All's well that ends well....

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Bingo... and that's not gonna come with out a planned strategy and will. Among so many things that Imran Khan disappointed is this front. This didn't need billions in investment. Educational reforms and that include madrassa reforms should've had been implemented right away... Standardized education curriculum, appointment of scholars in masajids and madrassa's is the way forward. Religious education from people who are well versed in history, religious thoughts, contemporary studies...

Basically similar to how Imams in Turkey are appointed by the state, I agree with this. Maddaris need to be supported and empowered to provide cheap and free education for the poor and to refugees, they are our safety net.

Basics of Islam like fairness, justice, cleanliness, family values, mercy, environmentalism, respect for women, and resisting corruption need to be expounded all over the country in billboards, advertisements, government statements, signs, schools, etc.

Until the school system is reformed and expanded, we should use any means available to uplift the poor.

I believe that after the Sindh chapter closes, Imran Khan will begin focus on the cultural reformation of Pakistan.

This would be a stupid move now with China vs. India going on...and India getting all the beating.

Nothing will unite the Indian nation than an attack from Pakistan, the moral high ground they will get 'Look Pakistan attacked when India was on a weak footing'.

India fights back narrative will be stronger.

They will always have this mindset, we need to give up trying to change them.

Pakistan must act in its own interests, ,regardless of what Indians may think.

Taking the initiative into our own hands is the first step to create a truly independent Pakistan, free of the fear of the unknown and one which trusts in Allah swt completely.

 

[Crusher]

Right, we seriously need to stop placating western opinion on everything. No matter what we do, they will still find something to try and embarrass us with. Our value system inherently will not match theirs - we need to accept that and double-down on it.

The west is happy to be friends with KSA, India, Egypt and Israel with incompatible value systems. Only as long as their interests are common.

This is the main problem with Pakistani elites, they care too much about rubbish emotional feelings like "embarrassment" because the daddy Brits told them to feel such rubbish emotions before they left in 1947. The first thing that Pakistan establishment needs to be purged from are these emotional BS feelings, they should act like stone hearted and not some emotional buffoons like indian bollywood type emotional clowns.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This is the main problem with Pakistani elites, they care too much about rubbish emotional feelings like "embarrassment" because the daddy Brits told them to feel such rubbish emotions when they left in 1947. The first thing that Pakistan establishment needs to be purged from are these emotional BS feelings, they should act like stone hearted and not some emotional buffoons like indian bollywood type clowns.

Gen Zia had the right idea. Proxies are the way of the future, we have been on the receiving end for far too long.

 

[RedHulk]

What Pakistan can do right now.
After any terrorist attack Pakistan should go belligerent on international level, the way Indian media do. Start blaming India out loud. Pay even international newspapers to publish articles how India is still funding terrorism in Pakistan. Create maximum drama. PM give final warning that its enough now. If any future attack happen will bomb India. Tell jets to invade India though just few kilometers. Drop few bombs in empty places like rajhistan. Show world we had enough of Indian terrorism. No need to convey messages in back door to countries. Say it out loud. Create maximum drama. Only after that episode world will start taking Pakistan seriously. No need to go on full scale war. After a month of so start funding out loud. Tell the world we will not stop this time. If any one try to reach diplomatically tell them we had enough. If USA or European try to pressure put counter pressure on them like Afghanistan deal will be in jeopardized. There are soo many things you can use against each country.
War is not solution for Pakistan. Anarchy and economic sabotage is the solution.

 

[Max]

Pakistan is 7 times smaller then it's enemy yet act as if it's 7 times bigger in size, shows much more tolerance to to their belligerent statements and state sponsored Hindutva terror while thousands of Pakistanis die, Meanwhile no one dies in mainland India bcoz of Pakistan but they act as they are victims of holocaust.

Look how actually smaller states acts when they are threatened by much bigger enemy.. they constantly live in paranoia.. look at Israel in 50's till 80s. What if they ignored the Arabs in early days, they wouldn't exist by now. We are also in early days as far as our developing economy is concerned.

Here India try to invade and we return their pilot to ease down the tensions.

 

[In arduis fidelis]

very well said .. i was just thinking few min ago watching kurulus osman series, how ertugural brothers mouths are full and have no will to take on the conspirators ..

Unfortunately being on the inside gives you a very different perspective on things which is closer to reality. And honestly i didnt like what i saw.

 

[Whirling_dervesh]

"Never interfere with the enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself " Napoleon

'Fail to prepare then prepare to Fail'

These are little battles and schisms in the scheme of things.

Some kids who are pushing for a war on the LOC, think indians are in desperate situation, the Pak higher command are cowards, this is a great opportunity not to miss, take kashmir it is now or never' bla blah......you have no idea .

Dont you think Pak Higher command know this? Do you not think Pak and China are not on the same page and work hand in glove?

Relax take a chill pill, and be ready with the popcorn, 62 was a different world.

Grind India down to a standstill.

India would give up Arunchal, Sikkim and the other 6 sister states before they give up kashmir.

Let the Chinese drain the life out of them

Enjoy the show

 

[In arduis fidelis]

What Pakistan can do right now.
After any terrorist attack Pakistan should go belligerent on international level, the way Indian media do. Start blaming India out loud. Pay even international newspapers to publish articles how India is still funding terrorism in Pakistan. Create maximum drama. PM give final warning that its enough now. If any future attack happen will bomb India. Tell jets to invade India though just few kilometers. Drop few bombs in empty places like rajhistan. Show world we had enough of Indian terrorism. No need to convey messages in back door to countries. Say it out loud. Create maximum drama. Only after that episode world will start taking Pakistan seriously. No need to go on full scale war. After a month of so start funding out loud. Tell the world we will not stop this time. If any one try to reach diplomatically tell them we had enough. If USA or European try to pressure put counter pressure on them like Afghanistan deal will be in jeopardized. There are soo many things you can use against each country.
War is not solution for Pakistan. Anarchy and economic sabotage is the solution.

That in my opinion is an emotional approach, i would like to present a counter situation:

A terrorist attack happens in Balochistan. Now we all know Intel agencies have those guys tracked within a week at max, there is no second opinion here. Then why the delay from us to eliminate them you ask? Quite simple, they are sitting comfortably in Afghanistan and Iran. Now whats our response we call their governments, threaten them, hurl all manner of abuse and what do they do? Throw our warnings to gutter.
Now if the individual become a bigger threat we just activate our proxy to liquidate him.
Whats worng with approach is we just make a mockery of ourselves in front of these 3rd rate countries and no one takes you seriously since you dont act on your own warnings why would they?

Now my alternative to this is a crystal clear no bullshit approach which is calculated and uncompromising, when you have the individual tracked and his loc confirmed warn the country about his presence and give ultimatum for his handover. In case of faliure to comply launch a stand-off weapon from within your own border and flatten the whole neighbourhood like Turkey follow up on its warnings. No one in their right mind would retaliate against a nuclear country least of all Afghanistan. Do this once and those scum will think twice, enough with this beating around the bush crap

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Pak govt will do nothing but to fight on late night talk shows. The party division serves the best smoke screen. It does not let the average citizen get out of the whole PTI vs PMLN vs PPP vs PPP vs MQM. The average citizen is so blinded by this that they cannot rise above this and think for Pakistan and not some party.

The military as usual will only be reactive. While they should be in contact with China and discuss options with China that will help ratchet up the pressure on Modidesh.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

It is almost too easy now to answer Indians back with their own language. They are crying from being clubbed like seals by Chinese.

Indian infestation needs to be handled now by Mods, but just like our state, we are obsessed with trying to be fair and neutral to rabid dogs which insult us and litter oral feces all over our home.

We need a good old fashioned spiked club mentality which Chinese have developed. Every little whimper needs to be met with outstanding force.

This is the only way to defeat the Indian narrative.

Some of our Pakistan members are crying for Indian casualties in our occupied land. It is really pathetic.

They are dishonored our women, torturing our youth, murdering our men in Kashmir, yet we feel pain for them. Pitiful.

I hope we change our mentality, because otherwise we won't have a stomach to bear the kind of bloody retribution needed to defeat the Indians.

It will be with a great struggle, sacrifice, blood and resilience if Pakistan is to defeat the monster that is the Nazi RSS, I just don't see that great human virtues in many of our beta sheeps prevalent on this forum and in our nation as a whole, where is the martial race? when did we fear the consequence of the unknown?, we are Muslim for crying out loud we fear no one except Allah SWT, we have faced tremendous adversity in the past and we came out on top against impossible odds time and time again without fear and we can do it again it is in our blood, become like Khalid bin Walid, Salaudin ayubi, Tipu Sultan, Syed Ahmed Shaheed instead of Shuja-ud-Daula instead of Mir Jafar.

Pakistan needs strong men and women.

 

[IceCold]

Title should be lack of aggression from successive governments and military of Pakistan.

 

[RedHulk]

Your approach does not target India as India always use third party to create terrorism in Pakistan. Why you want to create hostile in front and back at the same time?

That in my opinion is an emotional approach, i would like to present a counter situation:

A terrorist attack happens in Balochistan. Now we all know Intel agencies have those guys tracked within a week at max, there is no second opinion here. Then why the delay from us to eliminate them you ask? Quite simple, they are sitting comfortably in Afghanistan and Iran. Now whats our response we call their governments, threaten them, hurl all manner of abuse and what do they do? Throw our warnings to gutter.
Now if the individual become a bigger threat we just activate our proxy to liquidate him.
Whats worng with approach is we just make a mockery of ourselves in front of these 3rd rate countries and no one takes you seriously since you dont act on your own warnings why would they?

Now my alternative to this is a crystal clear no bullshit approach which is calculated and uncompromising, when you have the individual tracked and his loc confirmed warn the country about his presence and give ultimatum for his handover. In case of faliure to comply launch a stand-off weapon from within your own border and flatten the whole neighbourhood like Turkey follow up on its warnings. No one in their right mind would retaliate against a nuclear country least of all Afghanistan. Do this once and those scum will think twice, enough with this beating around the bush crap

 

[Aspen]

Pakistan ain't giving the limited war fascists need in India to survive.

No war. Only Mahabhrata

This is such a s*** excuse. There's never a good time to go to war with India, you just have to do it.

We don't have the will now

Yeah because we have weak, timid, and afraid leadership who is too coward and spineless to take aggressive military action against India despite the need being both clear and necessary.

People who have to make these aggressive decisions have their mouths too full by the time they reach those positions and dont really wanna lose that Royal treatment they get. Waging war means giving that all up. Why would someone who has invested 20+ years to get where he is lose it all for sake of some national pride when its his time to reap the rewards.

This is the kind of backwards logic that has ruined Pakistan.

You can improve your country internally and fight aggressively against external enemies at the same time. Many countries are doing this successfully.

Bombs without balls is useless.

Absolutely agree

We can't be seen as aggrssors. India has to be seen as agressor then we can finish the war.

Yes we can. In fact we should be seen as the aggressors.