KP Assembly adopts resolution to create Hazara province

[A.Rafay]

Good move by PTI, FATA also needs to be a separate province.

This may start the "demand your province" drive. Although division on linguistic basis is not a good idea, it should be on administrative basis.

 

[nangyale]

What do you mean ?

I don't think you will like it if I started to go back to the British India time.Do you know where did the the British representative and Afghan King meet for the first time. Make a guess?

Hazara - the Ethnicity - are living in Quetta !

Hazaras of the Hazara Division are Multi-Ethnic & Multi-Linguistic !

At any rate perhaps these rights & responsibilities should've been thought of back when NWFP was renamed to Khyber-Pukhtoonkhwa & the ethnic sensibilities of Non-Pukhtoons residing in KPK perhaps should've been taken into consideration because the Hazara Sooba tehreek only picked up after the renaming of the Province on Ethnic Lines !

Lastly - This is the creation of a separate Province we're talking about - Not a separate country - What seems to be the problem ?

I'd advocate the division of Punjab into 3-4 smaller Provinces without invoking any talk of 'ethnicity' or anything like that !

Look my friend in Pakistan all the provinces have other minorities. Sindh has a huge minority or Muhajirs, same goes for Pakhtoons in Balochistan. Punjab has got Sarikis and Pahares.
The provinces are named after the majority and not every Tom, Jack and Harry is mentioned in the name.
So to begin with NWFP was called Afghania but due to the insecurities of certain segments it was renamed to NWFP. The problem with that name is, that its geographical location its not a name.
So new names were suggested and eventually Khyber Pakhtonkhwa was chosen. It is not perfect but it was something to go by.
But this name infuriated some well represented minority so much that they want a separate province fro the non-Pakhtoons of Pakhtonkhwa, in that situation we the Pakhtons have a responsibility to defend the rights of others that don't want to be part of that new entity.
By the way when you talk about separating Punjab, we both know that, that is not going to happen. Punjab being the all powerfull, so please spare me the lecture about Pakistan first. Its we who are on chopping board again.

 

[darkinsky]

That was a friendly jab at @Armstrong lol

Though this muhajir thingy does sound quiet right to be honesy

was that a friendly jab at butt?

 

[Edevelop]

We're talking about making Provinces into smaller administrative units & you're talking about creating bigger ones !

FATA should be made into a separate Province !

Butt, ab humaray Dardic areas ko be kuch karna chiya

 

[Armstrong]

Look my friend in Pakistan all the provinces have other minorities. Sindh has a huge minority or Muhajirs, same goes for Pakhtoons in Balochistan. Punjab has got Sarikis and Pahares.
The provinces are named after the majority and not every Tom, Jack and Harry is mentioned in the name.
So to begin with NWFP was called Afghania but due to the insecurities of certain segments it was renamed to NWFP. The problem with that name is, that its geographical location its not a name.
So new names were suggested and eventually Khyber Pakhtonkhwa was chosen. It is not perfect but it was something to go by.
But this name infuriated some well represented minority so much that they want a separate province fro the non-Pakhtoons of Pakhtonkhwa, in that situation we the Pakhtons have a responsibility to defend the rights of others that don't want to be part of that new entity.
By the way when you talk about separating Punjab, we both know that, that is not going to happen. Punjab being the all powerfull, so please spare me the lecture about Pakistan first. Its we who are on chopping board again.

No NWFP was never called Afghania....it was created as the NWFP !

Hazara Division would be a 'separate' Province within Pakistan not a separate Country - What seems to be the issue here ?

Punjab being the all powerful - How come ?

Chopping Board again - I wish someday this parochial ethno-linguistic nationalism would give way to sense & reason; clearly you're infatuation with Afghanistan wasn't just because of harmless interest !

 

[Leader]

I am resident of hazara and i can tell that hazarewals are demanding their own province on linguistic and ethnic lines, the whole tehreek for separate province was started in opposition to renaming of NWFP to pakhtunkhwa. We saw the first ever pashtun-hindko divide in 2008, hazreawal opposition of renaming NWFP angered general pashtun population who were desiring change of name since 1947 or even before that while pashtun's opposition of hazara province infuriated hazarewals.There is great passion for soba-e-hazara movement in haripur, abbotabad and manshehra but people of torghar, ogai, batagram and kohistan are against it,,,,
hazara is mutiethnic and multilingiutsic as pointed out by @Armstrong. This complicates the situation. here is the linguistic map of hazara.

Note that many hindko speaking tribes are pashtun/afghan by origin but nowadays they consider themselves hindkis not pashtuns e.g jadoons, tareens, tanolis, pannis, swatis, tahirkhelis etc. ironically they are at the forefront of hazara movement.

Pashtuns of hazaras and kohistanis have opposed hazara province movement, They opted for their own abaseen division.

In my personal opinion The hindko portion of hazraa should be given to punjab or annexed with attock and murree to become a province.

@Leader KPK would lose at least half of royalty of tarbela if hazara province is created, pata nahi tum logo ko kya nasha charra hey........hazara issue and kalabagh dam should not be priority of PTI governament...remeber that pashtuns of peshawer valley ascended you to throne, they are not o.k wth splitting of KPK.

@EyanKhan, @Khan_patriot, @nangyale, @farhan_9909, @Spring Onion, @chauvinist, @ghilzai. @KingMamba , @raja_pakistani @darkinsky,

The resolution demanded smaller units all over the country..its pretty fair and right thing to do. And I think Peshawar should be given back to Hazarawal province. and the Pukhtoon should have a capital city of their own Mardan maybe.

 

[darkinsky]

The resolution demanded smaller units all over the country..its pretty fair and right thing to do. And I think Peshawar should be given back to Hazarawal province. and the Pukhtoon should have a capital city of their own Mardan maybe.

just kick out hypocrite PTI

shame shame shame shame

aaawwww

you know who to elect next time pukhtoons

 

[nangyale]

No NWFP was never called Afghania....it was created as the NWFP !

It was proposed first by the founding leaders of the Muslim League in 1933[2] and was at least partly chosen to represent the first "a" in "Pakistan. The need for a change was explained by the man who named Pakistan in his "Now or Never" pamphlet, Choudhary Rahmat Ali Khan, as:
"North West Frontier Province - is semantically non-descript and socially wrongful. It is non-descript because it merely indicates their geographical situation as a province of old 'British India' [which no longer exists]. It is wrongful because it suppresses the social entity of these people. In fact, it suppresses that entity so completely that when composing the name 'Pakistan' for our homelands, I had to call the North West Frontier Province the Afghan Province."[3]

Hazara Division would be a 'separate' Province within Pakistan not a separate Country - What seems to be the issue here ?

The division of a province on the basis of ethnicity is the problem. If you want to be fair do it for all the provinces, if not then none, why selective justice.

Punjab being the all powerful - How come ?

Because you can not rule Pakistan unless you have the Punjabi vote. The major political centre of Pakistan is Punjab.

Chopping Board again - I wish someday this parochial ethno-linguistic nationalism would give way to sense & reason; clearly you're infatuation with Afghanistan wasn't just because of harmless interest !

Yes sense and reason, when it is just preached to us but never implemented across the board. There seems to be one kind of "sense and reason" for one province and another for others.

 

[darkinsky]

Butt, ab humaray Dardic areas ko be kuch karna chiya

 

[nangyale]

The resolution demanded smaller units all over the country..its pretty fair and right thing to do. And I think Peshawar should be given back to Hazarawal province. and the Pukhtoon should have a capital city of their own Mardan maybe.

Why just Peshawar, why not Kohat and DI Khan as well.
As you have decided to chop up this one province, why not just chop it into a thousand different pieces when you are at it.
Some leader you are.

 

[batmannow]

The resolution demanded smaller units all over the country..its pretty fair and right thing to do. And I think Peshawar should be given back to Hazarawal province. and the Pukhtoon should have a capital city of their own Mardan maybe.

evolution of the nation is due, a long ago?
its a very right step taken by, PTI its could be cold start of a real revolution.
all of eithnicities in pakistan, need a sense of responsibilities, with thier own province & thier own adminstration, so no body in a funny mood, can jst simply blame another for thier, faults & failures?
surly, this been done in real, will going to weak land lord base of croupt elites in pakistan?
just imagine, RURAL SINDH made up of karachi, hyderabad & some other small city, & MQM HAQIQI sitting in opposition, with a PTI strong group of MPAs there, it will surly generate a healthy competition for develpment, & no one will be winning crying against the other?
i m a supporter of PTI , on that issue?
go ahead!

 

[darkinsky]

Why just Peshawar, why not Kohat and DI Khan as well.
As you have decided to chop up this one province, why not just chop it into a thousand different pieces when you are at it.
Some leader you are.

ahahhahahahahaha

PTI dying @Leader @Aeronaut

gharat mand pashtuns have realised it that beghairat PTI can't control them

 

[Armstrong]

It was proposed first by the founding leaders of the Muslim League in 1933[2] and was at least partly chosen to represent the first "a" in "Pakistan. The need for a change was explained by the man who named Pakistan in his "Now or Never" pamphlet, Choudhary Rahmat Ali Khan, as:
"North West Frontier Province - is semantically non-descript and socially wrongful. It is non-descript because it merely indicates their geographical situation as a province of old 'British India' [which no longer exists]. It is wrongful because it suppresses the social entity of these people. In fact, it suppresses that entity so completely that when composing the name 'Pakistan' for our homelands, I had to call the North West Frontier Province the Afghan Province."[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa#cite_note-3

Thats a pamphlet written by a private citizen & not an official document of the Government of British India !

The division of a province on the basis of ethnicity is the problem. If you want to be fair do it for all the provinces, if not then none, why selective justice.

I want the Provinces to be divided.....I ardently wish for more Provinces to be carved out of our current Provinces but I'm not in Government !

PTI is in Government in KPK & they've taken the initiative; I wish that they'd take a similar initiative here in Punjab but they are not in Power !

Because you can not rule Pakistan unless you have the Punjabi vote. The major political centre of Pakistan is Punjab.

You can't rule Pakistan anyhow now since the 18th Amendment - Weak Center & Strong Provinces remember !

At any rate you've got the Senate which has the ability to strike down any Law passed by the National Assembly & where all Provinces are represented on an equal basis & the Senate can't even be dissolved by the President unlike the National Assembly !

Yes sense and reason, when it is just preached to us but never implemented across the board. There seems to be one kind of sense and reason for one province and another for others.

I'm sorry for the Afghanistan Comment; It was most inappropriate & I sincerely apologize for that !

Its just that I've yet to run into an Afghan who isn't severely...severely Anti-Pakistan !

But what I meant from sense & reason was that isn't it time enough to rise above this provincialism & this ethno-linguistic nationalism ?

There are millions of non-ethnic Punjabis living in Punjab - I am one of them; so we're following that sense & reason too !

 

[batmannow]

Thats a pamphlet written by a private citizen & not an official document of the Government of British India !



I want the Provinces to be divided.....I ardently wish for more Provinces to be carved out of our current Provinces but I'm not in Government !

PTI is in Government in KPK & they've taken the initiative; I wish that they'd take a similar initiative here in Punjab but they are not in Power !



You can't rule Pakistan anyhow now since the 18th Amendment - Weak Center & Strong Provinces remember !

At any rate you've got the Senate which has the ability to strike down any Law passed by the National Assembly & where all Provinces are represented on an equal basis & the Senate can't even be dissolved by the President unlike the National Assembly !



I'm sorry for the Afghanistan Comment; It was most inappropriate & I sincerely apologize for that !

Its just that I've yet to run into an Afghan who isn't severely...severely Anti-Pakistan !

But what I meant from sense & reason was that isn't it time enough to rise above this provincialism & this ethno-linguistic nationalism ?

There are millions of non-ethnic Punjabis living in Punjab - I am one of them; so we're following that sense & reason too !

million % right!
i live in thailand, which is 5 times smaller then pakistan, but hving 76 provinces & 1 fedrl province?
it has a lot of eithinicities, but they all are hving thier own provinces, no problems!

 

[nangyale]

Thats a pamphlet written by a private citizen & not an official document of the Government of British India ! !

Not any private citizen. He is one of the founding fathers of Pakistan. This is from Wikipedia.
Choudhry Rahmat Ali (Urdu: چودھری رحمت علی‎) (16 November 1895 – 03 February 1951) was a Pakistani Muslim nationalist who was one of the earliest proponents of the creation of the state of Pakistan. He is credited with creating the name "Pakistan" for a separate Muslim homeland in South Asia and is generally known as the founder of the movement for its creation. He is best known as the author of a famous 1933 pamphlet titled "Now or Never; Are We to Live or Perish Forever", also known as the Pakistan Declaration.
So yes I will rather quote the words of the person who gave us the Pakistan declaration than the Government of British India. That guy had a vision, a vision that gave us Pakistan, and a vision for just Pakistan, a vision that was conveniently forgotten.

I want the Provinces to be divided.....I ardently wish for more Provinces to be carved out of our current Provinces but I'm not in Government !

PTI is in Government in KPK & they've taken the initiative; I wish that they'd take a similar initiative here in Punjab but they are not in Power ! !

They have taken a decision without consulting the people of the said province. That makes it a dictatorial position.
Now don't get me wrong I am all for creating more provinces but not at just one province's expense. A just solution would be to make a Potohar province and put Pahare area and Maneshra and Abbotabad in it together.
But that is not going to happen because every kid in Pakistan knows that Punjab will never give up an inch of it's land.

million % right!
i live in thailand, which is 5 times smaller then pakistan, but hving 76 provinces & 1 fedrl province?
it has a lot of eithinicities, but they all are hving thier own provinces, no problems!

Thats one idea. If you want more provinces then yes it shall be for everyone.
Heck, why not make all the divisions in to provinces.
But putting just one province on the chopping board, and hacking it into small pieces is more than wrong.