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The Space Shuttle is a failure? Only from small minds further clouded by petty jealousy.

Without a mission: Manned space exploration. These discoveries, knowledge, and engineering accomplishments would not enrich mankind:

- Prior to the Space Shuttle with disposable vehicles that were used to ferry humans to space and return them to Earth, reentry heat pretty much destroy the vehicle's shielding and the vehicle itself. No one reused those capsules. The US invented new composite material that not only protect a reusable vehicle but is also reusable itself. Could China do that without that mission?

- Prior to the Space Shuttle with disposable vehicles that were used to ferry humans to space and return them to Earth, hard landings on earth and/or sea pretty much destroy the vehicles. Does Russia refurbish and reuse crashed capsules? How about China? How much knowledge can we continue to gain with crashed capsules? How much more knowledge can we continue to gain with capsules at all?

- Prior to the Space Shuttle with disposable vehicles that were used to ferry humans to space and return them to Earth, how much aerodynamics knowledge do we have with capsules? Pretty much all we need. But now how much more aerodynamics knowledge did we gained with a winged vehicle that have so much more surface area designed not only withstand like capsules but actually exploit aerodynamic forces? Did this knowledge came from either Russia or China? A whole new generation of astronauts are also created. Previously, astronauts became mere cargo from the moment of reentry to landing, now they must be active pilots transitioning from being weightless to having forces upon them and their vehicles that can destroy everything they just accomplished. Guess which country have that new generation of pilots/astronauts. Certainly neither Russia nor China.

- Space Shuttle Spinoffs

We are not talking about products but base technology spinoffs. We are not saying that these technologies could not come from other potential sources but it is equally valid to say that we do not know if they could have come to be as quickly and as demonstrably as they did with the Space Shuttle program. Not sure if Russia and China have anything equivalent and to the same scale, but we are willing to be corrected.

- The truth about NASA's space tech spinoffs - Technology & science - Innovation - msnbc.com

Do we have any estimates for the rubles and the yuan? After the Soviet space program collapsed, did any of those Russian scientists and engineers created any commercial companies that created new technologies and products from their experiences? For China, their tech entrepreuners came from the US.

- Prior to the Space Shuttle with disposable vehicles that were used to ferry humans to space and return them to Earth...

No need to continue. Fair minded people can see the absurdity of criticizing pioneers who are brave enough to challenge the unknown. Did anyone forced any American to join the Space Shuttle program and finally into space? Chinese scientists and engineers were probably wishing it was their country and they that had such an adventure.

I dare say that of all the shortsighted fools in this forum who calls the Space Shuttle a 'failure' have never personally seen a live on-site launch. Not even of a robot satellite rocket launch. What is really sad is the case of our Chinese-Americans who benefitted from the program but are now insulting their country's success out of a dubious racial tie they feel to a country that accomplished far less in the same area and probably see them as foreign as if they came from Africa.

What a wall of words. LOL

And may I ask where your fantastic moon landing whould have gone to without stolen German technology and German engineers? The Space Shuttle was all great till a dozen austronauts got barbecued in midair and the cost to maintain them exploded astronomically.

Lived in Germany many years, nice place, in no possible way superior.

Show me a big ticket item that is superior to German product and made in the USA. I still remember when I lived in SoCal in the 1980s, their shatty Whirlpool washing machine couldn't even heat the laundry water, I had to do that manually with a kettle when in Germany even the cheapest washing machine could do this. To spin dry the laundry you have to use an external spin dry machine while all washing machines in Germany do this automatically at the end unless you programme it not to do it when washing delicate garments. I can go on with automobiles and city planing. Where in Germany can you find utility poles in the city (in fact not even in the villages) with hundreds of wires dangling down and make the whole strees look messy and ugly? And our autobahn where it's no problem to drive 200 km/h when in the US it's 60 miles/h the end of the story.

you are absolutely right,mate!!!
Attended OktoberFest a couple of times, and the environment and crowd was unbelievable..............anyone who thinks that Germans are all buisness, lowdown, nice and all should visit Oktoberfest........
Though it is another matter that I too ended up with a fight or too after a couple litres........:P

Bavaria is just a small part of Germany, we in northern Germany don't celebrate Oktoberfest. And why are you surprised that we can party? We also have a growing anti-americanism.

When I lived in Schwienfurt, we had a beer-lady. You left your empties in a case near the door and she left full ones. That is one thing we could use in the US. (still remember her name, Gerlinda. Was friends with her son)

It's Schweinfurt, dear!
 
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Götterdämmerung;3033405 said:
What a wall of words. LOL

And may I ask where your fantastic moon landing whould have gone to without stolen German technology and German engineers? The Space Shuttle was all great till a dozen austronauts got barbecued in midair and the cost to maintain them exploded astronomically.
Spoken by a true techno ignoramus. You speak as if the entire US space program hinged upon Germany's knowledge.

The Space Shuttle a failure? How many Luftwaffe pilots die during the jet testing program? And yet we have jet aircrafts everywhere today. It really is pathetic to see you suck up to the Chinese and their failed argument this way.
 
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Why can't Taiwan get an injunction against LG and Samsung LCD displays and other products?

An U.S. federal court has ruled that Taiwan's AU Optronics owns four critical manufacturing patents for LCD displays. Also, the U.S. federal court ruled that LG LITERALLY infringes all four patents. So why can't Taiwan get an injunction against LG products?

An injunction is not possible, because the president of the United States can always declare a national security exemption. South Korea only has four massive chaebols (e.g. Korean version of Japanese kereitsu). If the United States permitted Taiwan to block many LG and Samsung products over the past decades, the South Korean economy would be a lame duck.

Instead, the South Korean chaebols/pirates have built their consumer electronics and consumer products industry off the backs of Taiwanese patents. The U.S. interest in a militarily strong South Korea trumps the South Korean theft of Taiwanese patents. It's very unfair, but you guys should know the truth. It makes me sick to see a South Korean trumpet their economy without acknowledging all of the Taiwanese patents that LG and Samsung stole and used over the decades.

We have no idea how many other patents were stolen and used. It is not possible to investigate and keep suing the South Koreans. The U.S. courts will not levy the appropriate damages, because U.S. national interest demands a functioning South Korean economy.

If proper justice was implemented, LG should be banned from selling "mobile phones, air conditioners, blue-ray discs, and LCD displays" (see quote below). LG would collapse overnight and South Korea would become a lot weaker. That's never going to happen. However, the fact remains that LG, Samsung, and other Korean companies were and STILL ARE massively stealing/infringing Taiwanese patents.

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http://www.cellular-news.com/story/46766.php

"LG Sued by Taiwanese Firm Over Patent Dispute
By: Sarah Fitzpatrick | 3rd Dec 2010

Taiwan's semi-official Industrial Technology Research Institute (ITRI) has sued South Korea's LG Electronics, accusing it of infringing 22 of its US registered patents covering the fields of mobile phones, air conditioners, blue-ray discs, and LCD displays.

The Taiwanese company said that if the Court does not block LG's actions, then it "will suffer additional irreparable harm for which there is no adequate remedy at law and impairment of the value of its Patent rights," the Itri claimed in its filing with the courts.

The case is similar to the IP litigation between Acer and HP three years ago, when the former successfully used the support of the ITRI to force the latter in accepting a settlement.

LG said in a statement it will take appropriate action when it receives the official court documents, which it expects later this month.

The ITRI is a technology developer that was founded in 1973 and is partly funded by the Taiwan government."
 
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I disagree. Their beers are superior. Let US give the man that. After all, he is a typical Eurosnob.

Also, the German frauline are very fine as well. I'm not sure its superior in quality since Americans babes are just as fine. But I sure like the German ones.
 
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Götterdämmerung;3033405 said:
Where in Germany can you find utility poles in the city (in fact not even in the villages) with hundreds of wires dangling down and make the whole strees look messy and ugly?
Your cities pretty much got bombed back to the Stone Age. Then thanks to the Americans, you can afford to rebuild better so now you can gloat.
 
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Your cities pretty much got bombed back to the Stone Age. Then thanks to the Americans, you can afford to rebuild better so now you can gloat.

Come on! You're really stooping to an unbelievably low level. How many more cheap shots do you have?

Your comment is completely irrelevant to the topic.
 
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Come on! You're really stooping to an unbelievably low level. How many more cheap shots do you have?

Your comment is completely irrelevant to the topic.
Did China went thru the Steam engine phase of development? If not, then why not and how not? So before you start calling other countries thieves, look at China's own history.
 
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Did China went thru the Steam engine phase of development? If not, then why not and how not? So before you start calling other countries thieves, look at China's own history.

You're really dumb. The steam engine patent expired over a hundred years ago. Duh!

South Korea is infringing CURRENT Taiwanese patents.

Want me to post the U.S. federal court ruling against LG again in the current infringement of critical Taiwanese AU Optronics' patents?
 
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You're really dumb. The steam engine patent expired over a hundred years ago. Duh!

South Korea is infringing CURRENT Taiwanese patents.

Want me to post the U.S. federal court ruling against LG again in the current infringement of critical Taiwanese AU Optronics' patents?
If you have to resort to bringing in patents, then you missed the point about development. It is YOU who are the dumb one.
 
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Spoken by a true techno ignoramus. You speak as if the entire US space program hinged upon Germany's knowledge.

It was German technology and experts that gave the huge push.

The Space Shuttle a failure? How many Luftwaffe pilots die during the jet testing program? And yet we have jet aircrafts everywhere today. It really is pathetic to see you suck up to the Chinese and their failed argument this way.

So the two Space Shuttles exploded during a testing programme and got mothballed afterwards???

Sure, we still have jet aircrafts in the hundred thousands today because it's indeed a successful technology while there are no Space Shuttles anymore because they are so successful as well. LOL
 
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Your cities pretty much got bombed back to the Stone Age. Then thanks to the Americans, you can afford to rebuild better so now you can gloat.

Oh wow, you couldn't get any lower, right.

Even before the war, utility poles were unseen in German cities. FYI, German cities are much uglier than they were before the war but still much better than the US today. This tells you how far behind you still are.


Frankfurt Kaiserstrasse before (around 1890)
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After
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i love koreans, they are the greatest people on eart.
we have lot of koreans living in chennai working as managers in their hyundai plant
 
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Götterdämmerung;3033613 said:
It was German technology and experts that gave the huge push.
Right...And Americans like Robert Goddard had nothing to do with it.

Götterdämmerung;3033613 said:
So the two Space Shuttles exploded during a testing programme and got mothballed afterwards???

Sure, we still have jet aircrafts in the hundred thousands today because it's indeed a successful technology while there are no Space Shuttles anymore because they are so successful as well. LOL
How many aircrafts crashed and how many people died in aviation related events since the Wright Brothers flew?

Götterdämmerung;3033694 said:
Oh wow, you couldn't get any lower, right.

Even before the war, utility poles were unseen in German cities. FYI, German cities are much uglier than they were before the war but still much better than the US today. This tells you how far behind you still are.


Frankfurt Kaiserstrasse before (around 1890)
Any electricity in 1890?
 
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Right...And Americans like Robert Goddard had nothing to do with it.

I never claimed that the US didn't have its own input, but German technology played a significant role after WWII in the US space technology. That you can't deny!


How many aircrafts crashed and how many people died in aviation related events since the Wright Brothers flew?

Too many to count, but the technology still kept on developing unlike the Space Shuttle that got mothballed and for the foreseable future there will be no Space Shuttle equivalent anywhere in the world and also no visible development in that direction.


Any electricity in 1890?

Yes, in 1884 Berlin got the first power plant, by 1895 all big cities had their operating power plants, altogether 148 of them. The inne cities were the first part of the cities that were electified and the Kaiserstrasse is the centre of Frankfurt.

Unter den Linden (East part of Berlin) 1933
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Today
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