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Yes, Russia didn't invade Afghanistan, the Soviet Union did:

1979: Soviet invasion

On October 31, 1979 Soviet informants to the Afghan Armed Forces who were under orders from the inner circle of advisors under Soviet premier Brezhnev, relayed information for them to undergo maintenance cycles for their tanks and other crucial equipment. Meanwhile, telecommunications links to areas outside of Kabul were severed, isolating the capital. With a deteriorating security situation, large numbers of Soviet airborne forces joined stationed ground troops and began to land in Kabul on December 25. Simultaneously, Amin moved the offices of the president to the Tajbeg Palace, believing this location to be more secure from possible threats. According to Colonel General Tukharinov and Merimsky, Amin was fully informed of the military movements, having requested Soviet military assistance to northern Afghanistan on December 17.[49][50] His brother and General Dmitry Chiangov met with the commander of the 40th Army before Soviet troops entered the country, to work out initial routes and locations for Soviet troops.[49]

On December 27, 1979, 700 Soviet troops dressed in Afghan uniforms, including KGB and GRU special force officers from the Alpha Group and Zenith Group, occupied major governmental, military and media buildings in Kabul, including their primary target - the Tajbeg Presidential Palace.

That operation began at 19:00 hr., when the Soviet Zenith Group destroyed Kabul's communications hub, paralyzing Afghan military command. At 19:15, the assault on Tajbeg Palace began; as planned, president Hafizullah Amin was killed. Simultaneously, other objectives were occupied (e.g. the Ministry of Interior at 19:15). The operation was fully complete by the morning of December 28, 1979.

The Soviet military command at Termez, Uzbek SSR, announced on Radio Kabul that Afghanistan had been liberated from Amin's rule. According to the Soviet Politburo they were complying with the 1978 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Good Neighborliness and Amin had been "executed by a tribunal for his crimes" by the Afghan Revolutionary Central Committee. That committee then elected as head of government former Deputy Prime Minister Babrak Karmal, who had been demoted to the relatively insignificant post of ambassador to Czechoslovakia following the Khalq takeover, and that it had requested Soviet military assistance.[51]

Soviet ground forces, under the command of Marshal Sergei Sokolov, entered Afghanistan from the north on December 27. In the morning, the 103rd Guards 'Vitebsk' Airborne Division landed at the airport at Bagram and the deployment of Soviet troops in Afghanistan was underway. The force that entered Afghanistan, in addition to the 103rd Guards Airborne Division, was under command of the 40th Army and consisted of the 108th and 5th Guards Motor Rifle Divisions, the 860th Separate Motor Rifle Regiment, the 56th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade, the 36th Mixed Air Corps. Later on the 201st and 58th Motor Rifle Divisions also entered the country, along with other smaller units.[52] In all, the initial Soviet force was around 1,800 tanks, 80,000 soldiers and 2,000 AFVs. In the second week alone, Soviet aircraft had made a total of 4,000 flights into Kabul.[53] With the arrival of the two later divisions, the total Soviet force rose to over 100,000 personnel.

March 1980-April 1985: Soviet offensives

The war now developed into a new pattern: the Soviets occupied the cities and main axis of communication, while the mujahideen, (which the Soviet Army soldiers called 'Dushman')[59] divided into small groups, waged a guerrilla war. Almost 80 percent of the country escaped government control.[60] Soviet troops were deployed in strategic areas in the northeast, especially along the road from Termez to Kabul. In the west, a strong Soviet presence was maintained to counter Iranian influence. Incidentally, special Soviet units would have[clarification needed] also performed secret attacks on Iranian territory to destroy suspected mujahideen bases, and their helicopters then got engaged in shootings with Iranian jets .[61] Conversely, some regions such as Nuristan, in the northeast, and Hazarajat, in the central mountains of Afghanistan, were virtually untouched by the fighting, and lived in almost complete independence.

Periodically the Soviet Army undertook multi-divisional offensives into mujahideen-controlled areas. Between 1980 and 1985, nine offensives were launched into the strategically important Panjshir Valley, but government control of the area did not improve.[62] Heavy fighting also occurred in the provinces neighbouring Pakistan, where cities and government outposts were constantly under siege by the mujahideen. Massive Soviet operations would regularly break these sieges, but the mujahideen would return as soon as the coast was clear.[63] In the west and south, fighting was more sporadic, except in the cities of Herat and Kandahar, that were always partly controlled by the resistance.[64]

The Soviets did not, at first, foresee taking on such an active role in fighting the rebels and attempted to play down their role there as giving light assistance to the Afghan army. However, the arrival of the Soviets had the opposite effect as it incensed instead of pacified the people, causing the mujahideen to gain in strength and numbers.[65] Originally the Soviets thought that their forces would strengthen the backbone of the Afghan army and provide assistance by securing major cities, lines of communication and transportation.[66] The Afghan army forces had a high desertion rate and were loathe to fight, especially since the Soviet forces pushed them into infantry roles while they manned the armored vehicles and artillery. The main reason though that the Afghan soldiers were so ineffective was their lack of morale as many of them were not truly loyal to the communist government but simply collecting a paycheck. Once it became apparent that the Soviets would have to get their hands dirty, they followed three main strategies aimed at quelling the uprising.[67] Intimidation/genocide was the first strategy, in which the Soviets would use airborne attacks as well as armored ground attacks to destroy villages, livestock and crops in trouble areas. The Soviets would bomb villages that were near sites of guerilla attacks on Soviet convoys or known to support resistance groups. Local peoples were forced to either flee their homes or die as daily Soviet attacks made it impossible to live in these areas. By forcing the people of Afghanistan to flee their homes, the Soviets hoped to deprive the guerillas of resources and safe havens. The second strategy consisted of subversion which entailed sending spies to join resistance groups and report information as well as bribing local tribes or guerilla leaders into ceasing operations. Finally, the Soviets used military forays into contested territories in an effort to root out the guerillas and limit their options. Classic search and destroy operations were implemented using Mil Mi-24 helicopter gunships that would provide cover for ground forces in armored vehicles.

To complement their brute force approach to weeding out the insurgency, the Soviets used KHAD (Afghan secret police) to gather intelligence, infiltrate the mujahideen, spread false information, bribe tribal militias into fighting and organize a government militia. While it is impossible to know exactly how successful the KHAD was in infiltrating mujahideen groups, it is thought that they succeeded in penetrating a good many resistance groups based in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran.[68] KHAD is thought to have had particular success in igniting internal rivalries and political divisions amongst the resistance groups, rendering some of them completely useless because of infighting.[69] The KHAD had some success in securing tribal loyalties but many of these relationships were fickle and temporary. Often KHAD secured neutrality agreements rather than committed political alignment.[70] The Sarandoy, a KHAD controlled government militia, had mixed success in the war. Large salaries and proper weapons attracted a good number of recruits to the cause, even if they were not necessarily "pro-communist". The problem was that many of the recruits they attracted were in fact mujahideen who would join up to procure arms, ammunition and money while also gathering information about forthcoming military operations.[69]

On his arrival in power in March 1985, the new Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev expressed his impatience with the Afghan conflict. He demanded that a solution be found before a one-year deadline. As a result, the size of the LCOSF (Limited Contingent of Soviet Forces) was increased to 108,800 and fighting increased throughout the country, making 1985 the bloodiest year of the war. However, despite suffering heavily, the mujahideen were able to remain in the field and continue resisting the Soviets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan
 
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^ Last time I went to Peshawer through Jalalabad, I got sick of the security across the border.

Why were you coming to Pakistan in the first place when you hate it so much? I guess you're from the same ilk as Karzai, but he was an Afghan refugee in Pakistan as well on top of that.

I wonder how Afghans infact get into Pakistan without a visa?

You know how...

They are, it's our government's responsibility to secure Afghanistan enough for returnees.

Yet they don't want them back, & the illegal Afghan refugees living in Pakistan don't want to go back either. Wonder why? That's a toughie...

You don't care about our lives or death but yet expect thankfulness? Whatte.......? What's happening to common sense?

We've cared about your lives more than your own people have, which is why illegal Afghan refugees do not want to go back to Afghanistan, neither does the Afghan government want them back, & they continue to remain a huge burden on Pakistan.

Oh so we are main cause of tensions in Karachi, not MQM/ANP? That's new to me, please, tell me about it?

The Awami National Party (ANP) recruited a lot of illegal Afghan refugees in parts of Karachi. While the Pakistani Pakhtuns from KPK & FATA have more than a right staying in Karachi as they are our fellow Pakistanis, the illegal Afghan refugees do not have that right.

Then stop trading and starve us to death, problem solved. Find out which other country you can trade with as much as Afghanistan? You are not donating, you are TRADING.

Again, your people wouldn't want you to get starved, although you wouldn't mind if that happened to your people, because obviously you are a European citizen. In fact, you are so out of touch with how a common Afghan in Pakistan/Afghanistan feels, you should be ashamed of even trying to 'represent them'. You're nothing but a disgrace to your own people.
 
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Why were you coming to Pakistan in the first place when you hate it so much? I guess you're from the same ilk as Karzai, but he was an Afghan refugee in Pakistan as well on top of that.
Since when do criticizing a government and hating an entire nation equal? I don't hate Pakistan, that's what you would love me to say so you can have your reasons to empty your heart's burden on me, just admit it. And I got Pakistani relatives and friends who keep visiting us, and I visited them after years. Simple.

You know how...
No I don't, tell me? I might as well try it next time.

Yet they don't, & the illegal Afghan refugees living in Pakistan don't want to go back either. Wonder why.
Even your government keeps threatening the refugees but yet don't do anything, I wonder why? And about those refugees, a huge majority of them can't afford to move anywhere else, don't tell me all of them deliberately cause trouble to Pakistan.

We've cared about your lives more than your own people have, which is why illegal Afghan refugees do not want to go back to Afghanistan, neither does the Afghan government want them back, & they continue to remain a huge burden on Pakistan.
Thank you ever so much, I can't express the thankfulness which is why I can only say thank you at the moment since I am getting overwhelmed with your care. (Happy?)

The Awami National Party (ANP) recruited a lot of illegal Afghan refugees in parts of Karachi. While the Pakistani Pakhtuns from KPK & FATA have more than a right staying in Karachi as they are our fellow Pakistanis, the illegal Afghan refugees do not have that right.
ANP (aka Pakistanis) give them shelter, and it's those people's fault to accept the shelter? Couldn't you come up with ANYTHING better?

Again, your people wouldn't want you to get starved, although you wouldn't mind if that happened to your people, because obviously you are a European citizen.
I might hold an European passport but I spend alot of time in Afghanistan and most of the men in my family have returned to fund mainly girls' schools back in our village. I am not just a talker, I now the future is expecting a huge responsibility from me.

In fact, you are so out of touch with how a common Afghan in Pakistan/Afghanistan feels, you should be ashamed of even trying to 'represent them'.
I even know how a common Pakistani Pashtun feels, if not Pakistanis in general. I represent myself, I am not here to please. You represent yourself, you are not here to please either. I know what I should be ashamed of and what I shouldn't, but just hope there is a little left in yourself.

You're nothing but a disgrace to your own people.
I am not the one getting personal, spreading lies and preaching hatred in order to justify my opinion. You would need a mirror for that, and seriously calm down the frustration.


Regarding your sources on support for Taliban.

Bhutto
Bhutto 1
Bhutto 2
Bhutto 3

Do rest of the researches yourself and find most 'credible' one, you will find links which mention even Musharraf's support for Taliban, as well as Gul's.


And regarding Russia.

Daud Khan
Taraki

Taraki made the huge mistake of asking for Russian facilities, Daud Khan tried to recover his mistake, but he failed and the entire nation paid a huge price for their leaders' mistakes. It was an (unfortunate) invitation, not invasion.
 
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I even know how a common Pakistani Pashtun feels, if not Pakistanis in general. I represent myself, I am not here to please.

You don't. Talk to Jana, Abu Zolfiqar, Silent Ninja, Pakistani Nationalist if you need clarification about how a Pakistani Pakhtun feels about Pakistan. They are not treacherous & two faced like you are towards Pakistan, they are the most patriotic people of Pakistan.

Regarding your sources on support for Taliban.

Bhutto

This is Steve Coll talking, not Benazir Bhutto.


This is Muhammad Hussain talking, not Bhutto.


This is the travel culture website speaking, not Bhutto.


This is Greg Bruno talking, not Bhutto; who says that
The Taliban swept to power in Afghanistan with support from Pakistan’s intelligence service, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), during Bhutto’s terms as prime minister in the 1980s and 90s.

The Taliban formed in 1996, not the 1980's. He is probably confusing the Mujahideen with the Taliban.

And regarding Russia.

Daud Khan
Taraki

Taraki made the huge mistake of asking for Russian facilities, Daud Khan tried to recover his mistake, but he failed and the entire nation paid a huge price for their leaders' mistakes. It was an (unfortunate) invitation, not invasion.

Are you denying that the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan?

Definition of invasion:

an act of invading; especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder (Merriam Webster)

an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, especially by an army. (Dictionary.com)

1979: Soviet invasion

On October 31, 1979 Soviet informants to the Afghan Armed Forces who were under orders from the inner circle of advisors under Soviet premier Brezhnev, relayed information for them to undergo maintenance cycles for their tanks and other crucial equipment. Meanwhile, telecommunications links to areas outside of Kabul were severed, isolating the capital. With a deteriorating security situation, large numbers of Soviet airborne forces joined stationed ground troops and began to land in Kabul on December 25. Simultaneously, Amin moved the offices of the president to the Tajbeg Palace, believing this location to be more secure from possible threats. According to Colonel General Tukharinov and Merimsky, Amin was fully informed of the military movements, having requested Soviet military assistance to northern Afghanistan on December 17.[49][50] His brother and General Dmitry Chiangov met with the commander of the 40th Army before Soviet troops entered the country, to work out initial routes and locations for Soviet troops.[49]

On December 27, 1979, 700 Soviet troops dressed in Afghan uniforms, including KGB and GRU special force officers from the Alpha Group and Zenith Group, occupied major governmental, military and media buildings in Kabul, including their primary target - the Tajbeg Presidential Palace.

That operation began at 19:00 hr., when the Soviet Zenith Group destroyed Kabul's communications hub, paralyzing Afghan military command. At 19:15, the assault on Tajbeg Palace began; as planned, president Hafizullah Amin was killed. Simultaneously, other objectives were occupied (e.g. the Ministry of Interior at 19:15). The operation was fully complete by the morning of December 28, 1979.

The Soviet military command at Termez, Uzbek SSR, announced on Radio Kabul that Afghanistan had been liberated from Amin's rule. According to the Soviet Politburo they were complying with the 1978 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Good Neighborliness and Amin had been "executed by a tribunal for his crimes" by the Afghan Revolutionary Central Committee. That committee then elected as head of government former Deputy Prime Minister Babrak Karmal, who had been demoted to the relatively insignificant post of ambassador to Czechoslovakia following the Khalq takeover, and that it had requested Soviet military assistance.[51]

Soviet ground forces, under the command of Marshal Sergei Sokolov, entered Afghanistan from the north on December 27. In the morning, the 103rd Guards 'Vitebsk' Airborne Division landed at the airport at Bagram and the deployment of Soviet troops in Afghanistan was underway. The force that entered Afghanistan, in addition to the 103rd Guards Airborne Division, was under command of the 40th Army and consisted of the 108th and 5th Guards Motor Rifle Divisions, the 860th Separate Motor Rifle Regiment, the 56th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade, the 36th Mixed Air Corps. Later on the 201st and 58th Motor Rifle Divisions also entered the country, along with other smaller units.[52] In all, the initial Soviet force was around 1,800 tanks, 80,000 soldiers and 2,000 AFVs. In the second week alone, Soviet aircraft had made a total of 4,000 flights into Kabul.[53] With the arrival of the two later divisions, the total Soviet force rose to over 100,000 personnel.

March 1980-April 1985: Soviet offensives

The war now developed into a new pattern: the Soviets occupied the cities and main axis of communication, while the mujahideen, (which the Soviet Army soldiers called 'Dushman')[59] divided into small groups, waged a guerrilla war. Almost 80 percent of the country escaped government control.[60] Soviet troops were deployed in strategic areas in the northeast, especially along the road from Termez to Kabul. In the west, a strong Soviet presence was maintained to counter Iranian influence. Incidentally, special Soviet units would have[clarification needed] also performed secret attacks on Iranian territory to destroy suspected mujahideen bases, and their helicopters then got engaged in shootings with Iranian jets .[61] Conversely, some regions such as Nuristan, in the northeast, and Hazarajat, in the central mountains of Afghanistan, were virtually untouched by the fighting, and lived in almost complete independence.

Periodically the Soviet Army undertook multi-divisional offensives into mujahideen-controlled areas. Between 1980 and 1985, nine offensives were launched into the strategically important Panjshir Valley, but government control of the area did not improve.[62] Heavy fighting also occurred in the provinces neighbouring Pakistan, where cities and government outposts were constantly under siege by the mujahideen. Massive Soviet operations would regularly break these sieges, but the mujahideen would return as soon as the coast was clear.[63] In the west and south, fighting was more sporadic, except in the cities of Herat and Kandahar, that were always partly controlled by the resistance.[64]

The Soviets did not, at first, foresee taking on such an active role in fighting the rebels and attempted to play down their role there as giving light assistance to the Afghan army. However, the arrival of the Soviets had the opposite effect as it incensed instead of pacified the people, causing the mujahideen to gain in strength and numbers.[65] Originally the Soviets thought that their forces would strengthen the backbone of the Afghan army and provide assistance by securing major cities, lines of communication and transportation.[66] The Afghan army forces had a high desertion rate and were loathe to fight, especially since the Soviet forces pushed them into infantry roles while they manned the armored vehicles and artillery. The main reason though that the Afghan soldiers were so ineffective was their lack of morale as many of them were not truly loyal to the communist government but simply collecting a paycheck. Once it became apparent that the Soviets would have to get their hands dirty, they followed three main strategies aimed at quelling the uprising.[67] Intimidation/genocide was the first strategy, in which the Soviets would use airborne attacks as well as armored ground attacks to destroy villages, livestock and crops in trouble areas. The Soviets would bomb villages that were near sites of guerilla attacks on Soviet convoys or known to support resistance groups. Local peoples were forced to either flee their homes or die as daily Soviet attacks made it impossible to live in these areas. By forcing the people of Afghanistan to flee their homes, the Soviets hoped to deprive the guerillas of resources and safe havens. The second strategy consisted of subversion which entailed sending spies to join resistance groups and report information as well as bribing local tribes or guerilla leaders into ceasing operations. Finally, the Soviets used military forays into contested territories in an effort to root out the guerillas and limit their options. Classic search and destroy operations were implemented using Mil Mi-24 helicopter gunships that would provide cover for ground forces in armored vehicles.

To complement their brute force approach to weeding out the insurgency, the Soviets used KHAD (Afghan secret police) to gather intelligence, infiltrate the mujahideen, spread false information, bribe tribal militias into fighting and organize a government militia. While it is impossible to know exactly how successful the KHAD was in infiltrating mujahideen groups, it is thought that they succeeded in penetrating a good many resistance groups based in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran.[68] KHAD is thought to have had particular success in igniting internal rivalries and political divisions amongst the resistance groups, rendering some of them completely useless because of infighting.[69] The KHAD had some success in securing tribal loyalties but many of these relationships were fickle and temporary. Often KHAD secured neutrality agreements rather than committed political alignment.[70] The Sarandoy, a KHAD controlled government militia, had mixed success in the war. Large salaries and proper weapons attracted a good number of recruits to the cause, even if they were not necessarily "pro-communist". The problem was that many of the recruits they attracted were in fact mujahideen who would join up to procure arms, ammunition and money while also gathering information about forthcoming military operations.[69]

On his arrival in power in March 1985, the new Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev expressed his impatience with the Afghan conflict. He demanded that a solution be found before a one-year deadline. As a result, the size of the LCOSF (Limited Contingent of Soviet Forces) was increased to 108,800 and fighting increased throughout the country, making 1985 the bloodiest year of the war. However, despite suffering heavily, the mujahideen were able to remain in the field and continue resisting the Soviets.

I think this would fit into the definition of an invasion.
 
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That's a CIA speaking, not Afghan importers.

That's Wikipedia speaking, not Russian invaders.

See how stupid it sounds? I knew you would point out silliness in this as well, that's why I provided FOUR DIFFERENT links and that also just quickly. Forget about the many else out there.

And if Russia had forced itself upon Afghanistan it would have been an invasion. It were some people in the government who invited them, backed them and even maintained their policies in Afghanistan. If we want to speak of invasion then we could speak of communism which was forced upon the nation more by the government than Russians, or Taliban which forced themselves upon the nation, or democracy which is forcing themselves upon the nation.
 
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I am not at all surprised by the comments from this "Wattani" guy. On 30th of March before the Pak-Ind semi final i was in Naif market in Dubai for some shopping (This place is particularly swarming with Afghan cloth shops) and went into an Afghan shop. The guy asked me whether i was a Pakistani and upon my confirmation he said that he is supporting India because he is Afghan. So what I did was instead of arguing with him i just said, "Good for You", and left.
 
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^ Why should you be surprised by my comments anyway? Am I disrespecting Pakistanis? Am I singing Indian taranas? Am I spreading 'Afghan propaganda'? Can't help if my comments ain't pleasing, can't help.

The Taliban formed in 1996, not the 1980's. He is probably confusing the Mujahideen with the Taliban.
He is speaking of Bhutto's presidency, not Taliban's reign.

You don't. Talk to Jana, Abu Zolfiqar, Silent Ninja, Pakistan Nationalist if you need clarification about how a Pakistani Pakhtun feels about Pakistan.
I have spoken to Jana, Abu Zolfiqar, Pukhtoon, Pashtun, Ghamai, and these are just a few names I remember since I newly joined here. Guess what? Despite of difference in nationalities and governments, you will hardly find any difference in our thinking. Especially Abu, you can ask him yourself. About the other two you named, no idea who they are.

They are not treacherous & two faced like you are towards Pakistan, they are the most patriotic people of Pakistan.
I had rather be two faced than an emotional fool like yourself. Keep moaning and keep pleasing yourself with deceptions.
 
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That's a CIA speaking, not Afghan importers.


That's Wikipedia speaking, not Russian invaders.

See how stupid it sounds? I knew you would point out silliness in this as well, that's why I provided FOUR DIFFERENT links and that also just quickly. Forget about the many else out there.

And if Russia had forced itself upon Afghanistan it would have been an invasion. It were some people in the government who invited them, backed them and even maintained their policies in Afghanistan. If we want to speak of invasion then we could speak of communism which was forced upon the nation more by the government than Russians, or Taliban which forced themselves upon the nation, or democracy which is forcing themselves upon the nation.

Not really, there is a difference between factual events when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, & fought them from December 1979 till February 1989 killing 1 million Afghans. That is not a figment of someone's imagination, unlike the articles you quoted from Steve Coll, Muhammad Hussain, Greg Bruno.
 
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I have spoken to Jana, Abu Zolfiqar, Pukhtoon, Pashtun, Ghamai, and these are just a few names I remember since I newly joined here. Guess what? Despite of difference in nationalities and governments, you will hardly find any difference in our thinking. Especially Abu, you can ask him yourself. About the other two you named, no idea who they are.

Don't worry, I've talked to Abu in a lot of extensive detail, & he probably respects you for being his Pakhtun brother, but he is against the Afghan refugees that abuse the hospitality of Pakistani Pakhtuns, & exploit the nation of Pakistan & cause havoc in the country. And both Jana & Abu are extremely critical of the role Afghanistan plays inside of Pakistan, & they are fierce Pakistani patriots.
 
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^ You are providing me Wikipedia in this thread, articles and blogs in the other thread, I reply with same sources since I thought it would appeal to you as you are using it yourself, and now when you run out you call MY sources imaginary? You know what? Whatever dude, whatever. It's not a competition where one HAS TO be ready with replies, it's a debate where one hopes the other learns from. As impossible as some are.

And feel free to read back some of my comments where Abu only showed agreement with me, sorry to tell you! I know very well about how patriotic they are and that has never been a problem to me, which is why I said I know what a common Pashtun thinks like. Now cool the anger, and let's make an end.
 
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^ You are providing me Wikipedia in this thread, articles and blogs in the other thread, I reply with same sources since I thought it would appeal to you as you are using it yourself, and now when you run out you call MY sources imaginary? You know what? Whatever dude, whatever. It's a competition where one HAS TO be ready with replies, it's debate one hopes the other learns from. As impossible as some are.

No, I asked you credible evidence to support your claims that Pakistan supports the Taliban. Preferably a statement by any high ranking official that says so. Again, 1 million Afghans being killed by the Soviet invaders cannot be a figment of one's imagination, can it, whether I quote it from wikipedia or anywhere else? It's an actual event that took place, where Afghans actually died. If you can provide substantiated evidence (pictures, statements from high ranking officials, or anything credible free from speculation & conspiracy theories) about Pakistan's support for the Taliban, then we can start talking.
 
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And feel free to read back some of my comments where Abu only showed agreement with me, sorry to tell you! I know very well about how patriotic they are and that has never been a problem to me, which is why I said I know what a common Pashtun thinks like. Now cool the anger, and let's make an end.

I know Abu very well, you don't need to explain him to me. I've talked to him, & read his posts enough to know what he thinks like. You do not know what a common Pashtun thinks like, because you don't know how critical Pakistani Pakhtuns are of Afghans that cause nothing but havoc in Pakistan.
 
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So again, what credible & substantiated proofs/evidences do you have from high ranking international officials (not western journalists/think tanks conspiracy theorists that base everything on speculation & hearsay) that implicates the Pakistan government in any way?
Declassified documents from National securtity archives-
Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?

Taliban captured power in afghanistan by murdering previous rulers and hanging them in lamp post-Yet pakistan was the first one to accept them as legitimate rulers of afghanistan.Pakistan continued their support to brutal taliban govt up until they got the heat from USA after 9-11
Though pakistan no longer support afghan taliban,we can still see former ISI chiefs/high ranking officials expressing their support to taleban.
According to Colonel Imam-the mentor of mullah umer(he stayed in afghanistan as guest of taleban until 2001)
Colonel Imam: ‘I have the Green Beret but the Taleban beret is better’ - Times Online
And according hamid gul,
"The US occupation of Afghanistan is “unjust”. The Afghan resistance(by taliban) against the occupiers is legitimate. It’s a national resistance. It should be recognized as such. They’re Mujahideen of Afghanistan as they were during the occupation of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union”."
Hamid Gul: Afghanistan war ‘lost cause’ | Rehmat's World
 
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@Bilal
Even the sources I gave you claim Pak government did support Taliban, it's a reality that took place and the web is full of claims about ISI supporting Taliban. It's not a imagination, does it matter whether it's an article, blog or anything else? And Mujahideen were as active in shooting and bombing as Russians, both destroyed the cities equally much and leftovers from Mujahideen in NA are a proof of why Mujahideen's success was so short-lived. You will START talking? Mate, you won't STOP talking no matter how much sense the opposite speaks and how much nonsense you add to it. No wonder I received PM's telling me to stop wasting time on you, but I will give it a last go and after this carry on living in your Lalaland. I have spoken.

Taliban
Taliban 1
Taliban 2
Taliban 3

May I add that you are actually the first creature in this entire world who is eager to deny Pak government's links with Taliban? And the fact you are so eager to portray Pashtuns of Pakistan as aliens to me only glows your desperation and sadness and I actually won't be surprised if you request those Pashtun members to comment in this thread lol. Believe whatever you want to believe dude, no need to force your lies, though you got the right to satisfy yourself with one.
 
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