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Kiyani Demands US Limit Drone Attacks and Operations

^ I didn't point out Pakistani people, I pointed out Pak government. Anyone who lived in Afghanistan's north during Taliban knows how miserable lives of the minorities were led and we also who supported such extremists (some in here even admitted it), and there is nothing ridiculous about that claim. You should read some posts of 'your own' to define ridiculousness. And Hira Mandi was a response to the obsessed accuser who ridiculously claims Pakistan was alien to prostitution all those years.
 
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^ I didn't point out Pakistani people, I pointed out Pak government. Anyone who lived in Afghanistan's north during Taliban know how miserable lives of the minorities were led, and there is nothing ridiculous about that claim. You should read some posts of 'your own' to define ridiculousness. And Hira Mandi was a response to the person who ridiculously claims Afghans brought prostitution into Pakistan.

Oh yeah Pakistan also invited the Soviet Union to invade afghanistan, they also invented bacha bazi, they are also and the reason why afghanistan has a 3% literacy rate :disagree: Yeah Pakistan did interfere with afghanistan and it shouldn't have but there must have been some animosity already between the ethnic groups for the government of Pakistan to "allegedly" cause the ethnic division of afghanistan so easily. If afghanistan's ethnic groups got on so perfectly then Pakistan's government shouldn't have been able to cause a division between the ethnic groups.Tust me I've seen how Hazara's are treated and how some Pathans would rather make "pashtunistan" rather then live with the other groups of afghanistan. Thats why afghanistan will remain war torn and backward, you people keep blaming all your ills on Pakistan and whine about Pakistan constantly. Instead of doing that, find ways to fix your country instead of fleeing into Pakistan where you're not wanted.
 
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^ And only your government is responsible for troubles in Pakistan. We didn't tell your government to take US money and support Mujahideen, or to interfere with the very same Russia you admit was invited by Afghan government in the name of 'Russian invasion', or to support Taliban, or accept refugees in turn for aid, or help US to kick out the very same Taliban, or allow US to attack KPK as well.

refugees were solely accepted on the basis of 'muslim brotherhood' thing, pakistan was recieving aid because of fihting and supporting afghan war, american interest didnt lay on acceping refugees or not, atleast appreciate we accepted you and settled you in pakistan and feed you and still feeding afghanis, in return we are just getting terrorism thanklessness and rudeness of afghanis... still afghanis live in pakistan if you can describe what 'aid' we are getting for afghani settlements??, its been 2 decades that afhanis are living in pakistan after the end of war
 
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WASHINGTON / NEW YORK: As ISI chief Ahmad Shuja Pasha arrives here for talks with CIA Director Leon Panetta, Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has demanded that the “United States steeply reduce the number of CIA operatives and Special Operations forces working in Pakistan”.

In a front page report, the New York Times quoted informed sources in Islamabad as saying on Monday that Gen Kayani had also “demanded that US put on hold CIA drone strikes aimed at militants in northwest Pakistan, a sign of the near collapse of cooperation between the two testy allies”.

The newspaper says the demand that the US scale back its presence is the immediate fallout of the arrest in Pakistan of Raymond A. Davis, a CIA security officer who killed two men in broad daylight, according to Pakistani and American officials.

The reductions were personally demanded by Gen Kayani, said the Pakistani and American officials, who requested anonymity while discussing the sensitive issue.

At the same time, President Asif Ali Zardari warned that the US-led war in Afghanistan was “seriously undermining efforts to restore Pakistan’s democratic institutions and economic prosperity”.

In an interview with Britain’s Guardian newspaper, he said that during his visit to Washington next month he would ask the Obama administration to share drone technology so the air strikes in Fata could be carried out under ‘Pakistani flag’.

The Pakistani army firmly believes that Washington’s real aim in Pakistan is to neutralise the nation’s nuclear arsenal, which is now on a path to becoming the world’s fifth largest, said the Pakistani official closely involved in the decision on reducing the American presence.

On the American side, the NYT report said, frustration has built over the Pakistani army’s ‘seeming inability’ to defeat a host of militant groups, including the

Taliban and Al Qaeda, from tribal areas despite more than $1 billion in American assistance a year to the country’s military.

In a rare public rebuke, a White House report to Congress last week described the Pakistani efforts against the militants as disappointing.

Raymond Davis was involved in a covert CIA effort to penetrate one militant group, Lashkar-i-Taiba, which allegedly has long ties to Pakistan’s military and intelligence establishment, has made deepening inroads in Afghanistan, and is perceived as a global threat.

The CIA had demanded that Mr Davis be freed immediately, on the grounds that he had diplomatic immunity. Instead, he was held for 47 days of detention and, the officials said, questioned for 14 days by ISI agents, infuriating American officials. He was finally freed after his victims’ families agreed to take some $2.3 million in compensation.

Another apparent price, however, is the list of reductions in American personnel demanded by Gen Kayani, according to the Pakistan and American officials. These include a 25 to 40 per cent cutback in the number of US Special Operations soldiers, most of them involved in training the paramilitary Frontier Corps in northwest Pakistan.

American officials said last year that the Pakistanis had allowed a maximum of 120 Special Forces soldiers to operate in Pakistan. The Americans had reached that quota, the Pakistani official said.

On top of reducing American personnel on the ground, Gen Kayani has told the Obama administration that its expanded drone campaign had gotten out of control, a Pakistani official said.

The drone campaign, which is immensely unpopular among the Pakistani public, had morphed into the sole preserve of the United States, the Pakistani official said, since the Americans were no longer sharing intelligence on how they were choosing their targets.

The Americans had also extended the strikes to new parts of the tribal region, like the Khyber area near Peshawar.

“Gen Kayani would like the drones stopped,” said another Pakistani official who met the military chief recently. “He believes they are used too frequently as a weapon of choice, rather than as a strategic weapon.”

Short of that, Gen Kayani was demanding that the campaign return to its original, more limited scope and remain focused narrowly on North Waziristan, reportedly the prime militant stronghold.

The request by Gen Kayani to cut back the number of Special Operations forces by up to 40 per cent would result in the closure of the training programme begun last year at Warsak, close to Peshawar, an American official told the NYT.

In his Guardian interview, President Zardari pointed out that some members of Congress and the US media did not know what they were talking about when it came to Pakistan.

Referring to a statement by New York Congressman Gary Ackerman that Pakistan was about to “go broke or collapse”, the president said: “If that assertion were true, the interventionist policies of the US and other foreign governments in South Asia would be a significant contributory factor.”

Diplomatic observers in Washington noted that these were the harshest remarks by a Pakistani president about America in “a long time” and showed a serious deterioration in bilateral relations.



US asked to stop drone raids, cut CIA operations | Newspaper | DAWN.COM
 
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^ Your government received aid for supplies separately, for refugees separately. No doubt on individuals of KPK and their hospitality which I have thanked a million times already, it's a fact your GOVERNMENT had interest in being 'Muslim brother' to Afghans. Afghans aren't living off Pak government's money, most are living in same poverty as an average Pakistani. Find out who supported terrorists in Afghanistan and how it reached Pakistan. As much as you want to make an Afghan aware of his own mistakes, learn to accept your own first.

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Russia DID NOT invade Afghanistan, point one. Things such illiteracy, kidnappings and etcetera are a result of wars (grow up and be less silly on literacy rate) for which on several threads I have blamed Afghan insurgencies FIRSTLY. Despite of political tensions the various ethnics in northern parts especially lived perfectly well. After Taliban it became a different Afghanistan, with different people with immense dislike for Pashtuns and for Pakistan, and THAT'S when north became bestest buddies with India and supported NATO. Luckily the hatred has vanished, but so has trust. Pak government with the very few sources accuses Afghanistan and India of ethnic tension in Pakistan, while Pak government can never be responsible for any ethnic tension anywhere else itself? Hazara leaders during Abdur Rahman made a huge mistake for which they were paying for decades, and I am glad they broke free to that slavery. As in other ethnics, you wouldn't identify a Pashtun or Tajik back in those days. Afghans atleast stopped fleeing to Pakistan, if not returned back home. Surely Afghans should fix their country more than anything else, but had you reacted honestly you would have pointed out your own flaws along this thread instead of telling others what to do what not to do. It's not me getting personal and insulting an entire nation when I run out of yours, it's some other members who can't digest facts.
 
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@ Wattni you said pakistan government receives aid for refugees, can you specify official source? I think we dont get any in that regard...



anyways it doesnt matter, keep your discussion continue.:)
 
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so you are saying our govt and our resources are not nurturing the millions present in our country how basic is your general knowledge??? would it have been easy if your millions had been our responsibility, still many afghans infiltrate into pak border make a fake pakistani passport, arent they becoming our trouble and our load??? arent afghans the responsibilty of afghanistan government???

i have personally no problem if afhans live or dont live, but as long as you people live, you should appreciate what we are doing to you people, we only need thankfullness..
 
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@ Wattni you said pakistan government receives aid for refugees, can you specify official source? I think we dont get any in that regard...

ok even if we received 'aid' for keepiong afghans inside pakistan then, what happened to the aid after the war, we are nurturing these afhans for 2 decades now, and no aid for 2 decades..., now watani will come to excuses like, afghans are giving more to pakistan then takin more or hey, afghans are poor, they are not using pakistan resources

and watani doesnt want to accept the mess they have created in karachi pakistan
 
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ok even if we received 'aid' for keepiong afghans inside pakistan then, what happened to the aid after the war, we are nurturing these afhans for 2 decades now, and no aid for 2 decades..., now watani will come to excuses like, afghans are giving more to pakistan then takin more or hey, afghans are poor, they are not using pakistan resources

and watani doesnt want to accept the mess they have created in karachi pakistan

Don't bother with Watani, he's just a troll. He asked for 'neutral'/Western sources that India supported the NA, which I did, & he didn't respond.

And this also applies to people like him, who get their food & all their everyday stuff from Pakistan. Without the trading routes from Pakistan, he'd probably be dead from starvation due to the lack of food in the country.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/af.html

Afghan Imports:

Pakistan 36.9%, US 9.5%, Germany 7.7%, India 5.2% (2008)

Pakistan 26.78%, US 24.81%, India 5.15%, Germany 5.06%, Russia 4.04% (2009)
 
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^ I didn't point out Pakistani people, I pointed out Pak government.

So again, what credible & substantiated proofs/evidences do you have from high ranking international officials (not western journalists/think tanks conspiracy theorists that base everything on speculation & hearsay) that implicates the Pakistan government in any way?
 
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Dont be surprised by watani statements..according to afghans we destroyed thier country..so much for the macho bullshit that afgans cant be defeated/DESTROYED.
 
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^ That's funny because I never claimed anything such? Oh well, do read as your eye wishes to read.

you said pakistan government received aid for refugees, can you specify official source?
Though some might not find it 'credible enough', here we go.Click

would it have been easy if your millions had been our responsibility, still many afghans infiltrate into pak border make a fake pakistani passport, arent they becoming our trouble and our load???
Attack the frauds, period. Last time I went to Peshawer through Jalalabad, I got sick of the security across the border. I with an European passport got held up with questions, how come same strictness is not applied on those without passports/visas? I wonder how Afghans infact get into Pakistan without a visa?

arent afghans the responsibilty of afghanistan government???
They are, it's our government's responsibility to secure Afghanistan enough for returnees. Instead of putting those millions and billions in their pockets they should spend it on Afghans abroad, 100%. I am by no mean supporter of our government, but that doesn't mean I agree with every accusation on Afghans as individuals who got no say regarding our politicians.

i have personally no problem if afhans live or dont live, but as long as you people live, you should appreciate what we are doing to you people, we only need thankfullness..
You don't care about our lives or death but yet expect thankfulness? Whatte.......? What's happening to common sense?

even if we received 'aid' for keepiong afghans inside pakistan then, what happened to the aid after the war, we are nurturing these afhans for 2 decades now, and no aid for 2 decades...
So since the aid to the government stopped Afghan refugees should return as well, right? Then you admit that for your government it WASN'T all about 'Muslim brotherhood', right?

and watani doesnt want to accept the mess they have created in karachi pakistan
Oh so we are main cause of tensions in Karachi, not MQM/ANP? That's new to me, please, tell me about it?

He asked for 'neutral'/Western sources that India supported the NA, which I did, & he didn't respond.
Have patience e-man, I am not glued to the screen, nor do I spend too much time on it

And this also applies to people like him, who get their food & all their everyday stuff from Pakistan. Without the trading routes from Pakistan, he'd probably be dead from starvation due to the lack of food in the country.
Then stop trading and starve us to death, problem solved. Find out which other country you can trade with as much as Afghanistan? You are not donating, you are TRADING.

So again, what credible & substantiated proofs/evidences do you have from high ranking international officials (not western journalists/think tanks that base everything on speculation & hearsay) that implicates the Pakistan government in any way?
Uhm, Zia-ul-Haq isn't credible enough, Hamid Gul isn't credible enough, Benazir Bhutto might not be credible enough either. Tell me, what name do YOU expect to hear?
 
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Uhm, Zia-ul-Haq isn't credible enough, Hamid Gul isn't credible enough, Benazir Bhutto might not be credible enough either. Tell me, what name do YOU expect to hear?

I meant in terms of the Taliban. As far as I'm concerned, Zia ul Haq was dead before the Taliban was formed, Bhutto & Gul have never said that Pakistan created the Taliban or supported it in anyway. The Mujahideen were heralded as the heroes of Afghanistan, who were obviously helped by the Pakistani nation. The Indians never helped Afghanistan against the Soviets. India in turn aided & supported the Northern Alliance, & is even using Afghanistan as a proxy land against Pakistan.
 
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