King Abdullah of Jordan warns of “massive conflict” if Israel proceeds with annexation

[Philosopher]

A large number of Iranian users on PDF (or anywhere else) are rational and polite people. Just a while ago we were talking to @ArabianEmpires&Caliphates and what steps we can take to reduce the tensions between iranians and arabs (atleast the ones on this forum, average iranian or arab dont give a crap). Just today i opened this website and i see all the racism and rubbish rants all over again, its like its automated into ones brains, like they can't stay away from hostility.

This inherent lack of trust that has been compounded over centuries is the problem we have in the region. For as long as the Middle Eastern people continue to harbour inherent mistrust, then these situations like you're seeing will persist. As a person, you should always strive to develop unshaken integrity. Meaning you do not flip flop your principles based on who you are talking to. If you do that, then one minute you're pro-something, another day you're against it. The issue for many members here is perhaps they want to go towards a change for the better, but they lack the equanimity to resist the flame baiting of one or two internet users and they go back to square one regarding their views.

 

[Naofumi]

Is your intellectual capability the size of a peanut?

What has a map from Eupedia (hardly scholarly work) of a 25.000 year old Y-DNA haplogroup to do with anything that I wrote? Do you know the historical order of Y-DNA haplogroups? Do you know anything about human migrations? For instance did you know that all of modern-day India/South Asia was first inhabited by people who lived in Arabia prior to the migration? Does that mean that Indians/South Asians = Arabians?

Using your logic most Arabs and Southern Europeans are the same people (LOL), because we share the exact same paternal and maternal haplogroups? Let alone people of the Middle East, Caucasus etc.

STFU, Even England received multiple migrations, they're not a nation? Lol, Arabs are the most inbred group and they're talking about IQ, lol.

There is no mention of any ethnicity called "Indian".

There is no mention of any "Urdu ethnicity" in any scholarly works either. India is as diverse ethnically, racially and linguistically as Sub-Saharan Africa. Your desperation of trying to create some kind of homogenous ethnic group called "Indian" is ridiculed by every scholarly work and scientific fact whether linguistic, DNA wise or even cultural.

Learn the difference between a religious cultural group (Indian Muslims that speak Urdu, mainly based in Bihar, Lucknow, Delhi etc.) and an ethnic group.

You seem to struggle with this simple difference enormously. Hence our previous Arab Jewish Israelis discussion where you tried to somehow distinguish (ethnically and racially) between and Yemeni Jew and a Yemeni Muslim when they are genetically identical.

Butthurt got it wrong, lol.

 

[Philosopher]

Sorry man, you need to care about the Syrians before you try to care for the Palestinians. Like I always say, hardly any of Muslims today are sincere about obeying their Lord. Actually some of you take it farther and make mockery out of God by pretending to be good willed. You think God doesn't know the truth about you people?

I can see you are not interested in a genuine discussion. I did not want it to come to this but I am afraid I am going to have to cut my conversations with you short. Until I see a real change in your mentality, I will not be engaging with you again.

 

[Falcon29]

I can see you are not interested in a genuine discussion. I did not want it to come to this but I am afraid I am going to have to cut my conversations with you short. Until I see a real change in your mentality, I will not be engaging with you again.

Sure, but at a minimum you need to have a neutral stance on Syrian conflict for us to even take your good willed sentiment towards Palestinians seriously. Don't play around when it comes to obeying God, it's not about giving people what they want to hear. My Lord doesn't joke around.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

STFU, Even England received multiple migrations, they're not a nation? Lol, Arabs are the most inbred group and they talking about IQ, lol.

Butthurt got it wrong, lol.

Your frustrations and lack of intellectual wit (not that this was not already obvious for anyone remotely knowledgeable about the topics that we "discussed", rather that I educated you about) explains your one-liner replies and frustrated outburst. I did not mention IQ by a single word but now that you are talking about it, Arabs (Middle Easterners as a whole as well) have a higher IQ than people of India. As for inbreeding, your mathematical and logical deductive skills must be non-existent as well.

How shall I put it? In a geography the size of Arabia (in fact smaller), 1.4 billion people lives, now do some simple math and figure out how inbreed those 1.4 billion people must be to have grown to such a colossal number?

Yes, I am butthurt while I have schooled you intellectually throughout this debate and while you are the one that is obsessing/meddling about Arab/Middle Eastern affairs that you have no connection to or knowledge about other than "Wikipedia knowledge". I don't see Arabs/Middle Easterners doing the opposite.

However after many years on PDF and many exchanges with various Pakistanis and South Asians of every background (in person and online) I have gathered a substantial knowledge hence why you have been unable to counter whatever I have written so far in this debate.

Your best argument so far was a map of the predominant language families of South Asia (LOL), some Eupedia map of 1 25.000 year old Y-DNA haplogorup (supposed to prove what exactly is the question, lol) and that is about it.

I think that I have wasted enough of my time on you but this is a special time period (coronavirus and ramadan).

Please continue with your non-existent "Indian ethnicity", "Urdu ethnicity" and other nonsense Mr. "Shaikh".

 

[Falcon29]

Your frustrations and lack of intellectual wit (not that this was not already obvious for anyone remotely knowledgeable about the topics that we "discussed", rather that I educated you about) explains your one-liner replies and frustrated outburst. I did not mention IQ by a single word but now that you are talking about it, Arabs (Middle Easterners as a whole as well) have a higher IQ than people of India. As for inbreeding, your mathematical and logical deductive skills must be non-existent as well.

How shall I put it? In a geography the size of Arabia (in fact smaller), 1.4 billion people lives, now do some simple math and figure out how inbreed those 1.4 billion people must be to have grown to such a colossal number?

Yes, I am butthurt while I have schooled you intellectually throughout this debate and while you are the one that is obsessing/meddling about Arab/Middle Eastern affairs that you have no connection to or knowledge about other than "Wikipedia knowledge". I don't see Arabs/Middle Easterners doing the opposite.

However after many years on PDF and many exchanges with various Pakistanis and South Asians of every background (in person and online) I have gathered a substantial knowledge hence why you have been unable to counter whatever I have written so far in this debate.

Your best argument so far was a map of the predominant language families of South Asia (LOL), some Eupedia map of 1 25.000 year old Y-DNA haplogorup (supposed to prove what exactly is the question, lol) and that is about it.

I think that I have wasted enough of my time on you but this is a special time period (coronavirus and ramadan).

He's a previously banned Indian member who claims Persian descent. He got banned for going on rants against Pakistan I believe.

 

[Falcon29]

Lol, I know only Arabs are a nation (even England and France are not na?). "The cradle" inbred though, lol.
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I don't, that was @padamchen

My mistake, apologize, confused you two.

 

[Naram_Sin]

Lol, I know only Arabs are a nation (even England and France are not na?). "The cradle" inbred though, lol.
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I don't, that was @padamchen

Dont let the pointless ethnic debate get to you, Islam is not concerned with ethnicities, arabic ethno-centrism is a trait of bedouin(nomad) arab whom the koran scolded.

Islam flourished when it expanded beyond the arabian peninsula, when it was joined by all ethnicities, check the list of muslim scholars across the history of Islam, it couldnt be any more varied.

This ethno-centric talk is precisely what brought Islam down.

 

[Falcon29]

Islam flourished when it expanded beyond the arabian peninsula, when it was joined by all ethnicities, check the list of muslim scholars across the history of Islam, it couldnt be any more varied.
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You mean Muslim people flourished? How could Islam 'flourish', is Islam a business? What the heck are you talking about? Islam is about worshiping and obeying God, only after death can one know he succeeded.

 

[Naofumi]

Dont let the pointless ethnic debate get to you, Islam is not concerned with ethnicities, arabic ethno-centrism is a trait of bedouin(nomad) arab whom the koran scolded.

Islam flourished when it expanded beyond the arabian peninsula, when it was joined by all ethnicities, check the list of muslim scholars across the history of Islam, it couldnt be any more varied.

This ethno-centric talk is precisely what brought Islam down.

That was never my intention bro, my family have Hafiz-E-Quran, Muftis etc. In fact, it was he who compelled me to tell my origins (which being on an anonymous platform I am entitled not to tell), I was perplexed why? but then he called we're lower caste untouchables, he suffers from some delusion, I have nothing against anyone - in fact I love to exchange conversations from different cultures/ethnicities, especially they're Muslim but what to do if the other side is openly racist and suffers from untreatable superiority complex?

 

[Falcon29]

This Iranian false-flagger at it again.

Do you understand the difference between a scholarly debate and chauvinism? By each post that you write, the more exposed you get, if my interaction with you yesterday was not enough proof already of your origin/agenda.

It didn't take long for the so called 'Iraqi' to start his rants about how Persians made Islam great and that we need to accept them as leaders and hand over our resources to them in order for Islam to 'flourish' again.

 

[Naram_Sin]

That was never my intention bro, my family have Hafiz-E-Quran, Muftis etc. In fact, it was he who compelled me to tell my origins (which being on an anonymous platform I am entitled not to tell), I was perplexed why? but then he called we're lower caste untouchables, he suffers from some delusion, I have nothing against anyone - in fact I love to exchange conversations from different cultures/ethnicities, especially they're Muslim but what to do if the other side is openly racist and suffers from untreatable superiority complex?

Its called propaganda, a person who cares about the 'umah' tries to bring it together and not give any attention to ethicity unless its beneficial.

I am an arab, but because I disagree with some of what the clowns in here say, I was 'magicly' transformed to an iranian... I kid you not.

Just remember not all arabs are like this.

 

[Falcon29]

Its called propaganda, a person who cares about the 'umah' tries to bring it together and not give any attention to ethicity unless its beneficial.

I am arab, but because I disagree with some of what the clowns in here say, I was 'magicly' transformed to an iranian... I kid you not.

Just remember not all arabs are like this.

Nice try, liar, but I never cared about ethnicity or brought it up. I care about our nations in the ME and you care about Iran only. You are liar who is dismissive of Iraqi protests and all your posts spread hate against Arab nations. I never seen post where you criticize Iran or hope for its dictatorship to fall like you wish for other Arab countries.

Its called propaganda, a person who cares about the 'umah' tries to bring it together and not give any attention to ethicity unless its beneficial.

I am an arab, but because I disagree with some of what the clowns in here say, I was 'magicly' transformed to an iranian... I kid you not.

Just remember not all arabs are like this.

You care about 'Ummah' but you never criticized biggest fitnah regime of today, the Iranian regime, a single time. Show me one post where you criticize Iranian gov't.

Its called propaganda, a person who cares about the 'umah' tries to bring it together and not give any attention to ethicity unless its beneficial.

I am an arab, but because I disagree with some of what the clowns in here say, I was 'magicly' transformed to an iranian... I kid you not.

Just remember not all arabs are like this.

These are your projections you like to unload on Arabs, since you hate them so much , even though you are supposedly 'Arab' yourself. The member you are talking about likes all Muslims around the world and he is in favor of Muslims cooperating and having better governance systems when opportunity arises. However, he will defend his country from your targeted propaganda against it. You Irani lovers are last people to talk about 'Ummah' or any other matter within Muslim world when you never criticize yourselves for anything while we have criticized our own so many times.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Nice try, liar, but I never cared about ethnicity or brought it up. I care about our nations in the ME and you care about Iran only. You are liar who is dismissive of Iraqi protests and all your posts spread hate against Arab nations. I never seen post where you criticize Iran or hope for its dictatorship to fall like you wish for other Arab countries.



You care about 'Ummah' but you never criticized biggest fitnah regime of today, the Iranian regime, a single time. Show me one post where you criticize Iranian gov't.

The protests are useless though considering what can be won from them.

They will succeed in making a leader resign, that's about all that can happen. The system and constitution will not be removed. In Iraq leaders come and go all the time. Protesters are always targeting certain prime minister (designates) in Iraq whilst failing to accept that these figures do not hold absolute power.

I wouldn't lose my life to make someone (Abdul Mahdi) resign a few years earlier, as he was already on his way out. They were way too emotional without realizing it won't change anything. You saying 'let them die' is once again very easy whilst you drive to 7/11 an hour later.

Hopefully the protests die down fully.

 

[Naram_Sin]

Nice try, liar, but I never cared about ethnicity or brought it up. I care about our nations in the ME and you care about Iran only. You are liar who is dismissive of Iraqi protests and all your posts spread hate against Arab nations. I never seen post where you criticize Iran or hope for its dictatorship to fall like you wish for other Arab countries.



You care about 'Ummah' but you never criticized biggest fitnah regime of today, the Iranian regime, a single time. Show me one post where you criticize Iranian gov't.

Oh dear, alright...

Iran is not doing nearly enough to adress the Sunni/Shia shism at the level of teachings and schools of thought. It can do alot to curb the enmity towards key islamic historical figures like Abu-bakr, Umar, prophets wife Aisha whom are revered by Sunnis yet we see many Shia disrespect them openly causing great enmity.

Iran can try but isnt, because a united independent Iraq is not exactly in Iran's interest.

Satisfied now ?