Not sure why I bother.
Finally.. That's why I started out with Jordan is a joke.. You somehow took the opportunity to start self loathing.. ..
Palestinians are just Jordanians with better cuisine, Jordanians are just Palestinians with better manners.
Bye bye Jordanian F16s.. it was part of the deal.. guess Jordanians wants to return to Russian Junk again...Toppling Asad , destruction of Syria was part of that chapter. Arab Spring was all drama to weaken arab nations.
But... here it is ...
After 25 years, Jordan declines to renew Israel’s access to the ‘Island of Peace’
November 11, 2019 at 6:25 a.m. CST
ISRAEL-JORDAN BORDER — Shay Haddar has always had easy access to Naharayim, a hilly strip of land between the Jordan and Yarmouk rivers that belongs to Jordan but, by both custom and treaty, has been used by Israelis for decades.
Haddar swam here as a child and in recent years even had his own key to the border gate that allows farmers and tourists to enter what came to be known in both countries as the “Island of Peace.”
But on Monday there was a new lock on the gate, put there the day before by the Jordanian army. After granting Israel access to the land as part of the 1994 peace treaty, Jordan declined to renew the agreement. The move, allowed under terms of the treaty, is the latest sign of the ongoing friction between the two countries and the end of a long tradition of local cross-border openness.
“We’ve been good neighbors to each other,” said Haddar, shaking the massive lock and looking through the fence at the slopes and waterfalls that days earlier had accounted for 80 percent of the tourism business of the kibbutz where he works. “We’re just the little people who always pay the price.”
Israel, Jordan sign treaty ending 46-year hostility
Jordan announced a year ago its intention to end Israel’s use of Naharayim, located just below the Sea of Galilee, as well as Tzofar, another strip of borderland south of the Dead Sea. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu dismissed concerns about the move, saying relations between the two countries remained strong.
But little progress has occurred since, as Israel has struggled through two inconclusive elections and a year of political gridlock. A regional official at Tzofar told local media the loss of the cropland would be a “death sentence” for 35 area farmers. Residents at Naharayim complained they have almost no communication with the Israeli government about the fate of the lands. Haddar said he only learned the agreement would formally end from a Jordanian border guard.
Netanyahu’s office declined to respond to a request for comment.
Jordan’s King Abdullah II reviews an honor guard before giving a speech to Parliament in Amman, Jordan, Sunday, Nov. 10, 2019. (Raad Adayleh/AP)
Analysts in Amman described Jordan’s action as a populist move at a time of mounting tension with Israel on issues ranging from the economic to the ideological.
Cooperation has stopped on key water projects, including a canal that was to resupply a dwindling Dead Sea. Israel has restricted the import of Jordanian goods into the West Bank, a substantial market next door. Jordan recently recalled its ambassador over the detention of two young Jordanians on suspicion of working with militant groups on a visit to the West Bank.
Although of little strategic value, the farming areas of Baqoura and Al Ghamr, as they are known in Arabic, have become a symbol of unfulfilled hope and rising frustrations with Israel, particularly the 25-year-old treaty that many Jordanians and Israelis say has brought little more than a “cold peace.”
“Not allowing Israel to continue to utilize the two pieces of land or doing Netanyahu any favors was not only logical, but became an urgent public demand,” said Jawad Anani, former director of the royal court and a lead negotiator for the 1994 Jordan-Israel peace treaty.
On Sunday, with the front pages of Jordan’s four daily newspapers trumpeting “Jordanian sovereignty restored,” King Abdullah II announced the final decision in his televised speech opening parliament.
“Today, I announce the expiration of the peace treaty annexes of Al Ghamr and Baqoura and the imposition of our full sovereignty over every inch of those lands,” the king said, sparking a standing ovation.
More than politics, some insist the move is also personal. Abdullah reportedly does not get on well with Netanyahu, who he views with suspicion and reportedly blames for torpedoing the entire peace process, the legacy of his father, the late King Hussein.
“There is no chemistry,” one former official said, while another close to the palace likened Abdullah and Netanyahu, whose personal relationship goes back to the 1990s, as “frenemies without the friendship.”
Israel has been largely silent on Jordan’s decision. The Foreign Ministry on Sunday released a short statement expressing regret about the move but saying Amman had agreed to let farmers harvest their remaining wheat and other crops. Jordan said it would “respect private property rights” but Israelis would need to obtain visas to enter the area.
Scholars say carving out access to the two lands happened at all because of the personal relationship between then-King Hussein and then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who negotiated the 1994 treaty. There is no such comity between the country’s leaders now, analysts say. Netanyahu and Abdullah have reportedly not met face-to-face since June 2018.
“This is certainly one of the lowest points that I can remember in Israel-Jordanian relations,” said Oded Eran, a former Israeli ambassador to Jordan and senior researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies. “The major problem is that there is no dialogue between the number one on the Jordanian side and the number one on the Israeli side.”
The plots have had a mixed record as a place of peace since they were established by the treaty. For Israelis, both pieces of land were initially seen as a symbol of the newly established friendship between the former enemy states. The area in the south saw gatherings of Israeli scouts waiting to meet with their Jordanian counterparts.
A general view show visitors at an abandoned hydroelectric power plant in the border area between Israel and Jordan near Naharayim on Nov. 9, 2019. (Ronen Zvulun/Reuters)
But in 1997, Naharayim became the site of a deadly terrorist attack when a Jordanian soldier opened fire on a group of Israeli schoolgirls. Seven students were killed, prompting Hussein to make an unprecedented trip to Israel to visit the home of each victim. The soldier spent 20 years in prison but was released after Jordanian lawmakers petitioned on his behalf.
In the years since, the area has become popular for tourists, with walking tours, visits to waterfalls and riverbank picnics. Haddar, who managed the program until its abrupt end, was in near daily contact with the Jordanian guards who controlled access. He would tell them how many buses, trucks and tractors needed to enter, seldom with any complications, he said.
When it became clear his access to the land was going to end, he had an emotional goodbye with the Jordanian guards he had grown close to, hugging and kissing them goodbye.
“In Arabic, they say ‘Inshallah,’ God willing,” Haddar said. “We said ‘Inshallah, it will all work out for us.”
Luck reported from Amman, Jordan, and Eglash from Jerusalem.
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So all you have got in the past 73 years is the same single mentally retarded attention seeking drivel of a nobody online who is only representing himself? Do you think that I monitor the opinions (online) of almost 30 million Saudi Arabians? We don't know anything about his origins, sect, political agenda, who he is working for etc.
Anyway the factual point totally flew over your head, namely that Saudi Arabians as a collective (people) and even successive governments have been one of the most pro-Palestine entities out there as well as hosting one of the largest Palestinian diasporas in the region. Many people in KSA, in particular Hijaz, Northern KSA and Northern Najd share family ties with numerous Palestinian clans and tribes and ordinary families. Intermarriages even occur to this day.
I can't think of a country that has donated more money to Palestine and Palestinian causes than KSA. KSA even went to war against Israel in 1947. Supported/participated actively in all the other conflicts with the current ruler (King Salman) even participating at the frontline in 1956.
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In fact KSA was not military a part of the failures of the past, mainly 1967. Also we all know which useless regime (Al-Assad) is the only Arab regime outside of Palestine, that lost land. Golan Heights. Great achievement by the closest Iranian regime ally in the Arab world, lol. A regime that you probably support while hating on the Saddam Hussein regime, as if there is any ideological difference between those two Ba'ath regimes.
To this day the best political proposition and the most realistic as of today was put forward by KSA - called the Arab Peace Initiative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative
أنت مخطئ. يمكنك العثور على السبب الرئيسي لتدمير سوريا في 4 عقود من الحكم القمعي وغير الفعال لنظام الأسد و قائمة طويلة من الحكام العاجزين في العراق ، حتى بعد 2003.
إن النظام الإيراني الذي تدافع عنه بوقاحة ، على الرغم من الدمار التام الذي أحدثه النظام الإيراني في العراق على كل جبهة منذ عام 2003 ، هو أحد أعراض البيئة التي زرعها و نماها الشيعة العراقيون مع النظام الإيراني (أيديولوجية ولاية الفقيه).
Yes, let us ignore a common several millennia old pre-Islamic history (since recordings began), common racial heritage (Semitic), common geography, common culture, common language, common religion, common tribes and clans, millennia of intermixing, DNA, the future and practically everything and instead be hostages of blind regime/sect worshipping that even divides the very same Arab regions (not KSA ironically) that you mention.
In fact why don't you go further than that and attempt to change recorded history. Turn Najaf and Karbala into some imaginary Iranian cities not founded by Arabs from modern-day KSA. In fact all those most respected religious and historical personalities of the Iraqi Shia Arab, why not turn those people into imaginary Iranians? Hell, why don't you just move to the Wilayat al-Faqih paradise that is Iran? Is it because their wages and GDP per capita (nominal) is even lower than that of a chronically unstable Iraq in the past 4 decades?
Allow me to ask you from where all those corrupt "Shia Islamist" retards (politicians and militia monkeys) came from if not from exile in Iran and the West? Who was begging the US to invade Iraq in 2003 if not that those very same people? Who are the creators of the current pathetic political status quo that you yourself curse, if not the same people? Who is protecting that political system if not your beloved Iranian Mullah regime? Who benefits most from it if not the same actor?
Get out of your Shia victim mentality. The GCC is full of Arab Shias (I know this might be shocking to you but Shia Islam is actually native to Arabia) from Kuwait to KSA and none of them want to/have attempted such suicidal, harmful and pathetic subservient attitudes or selling themselves out although the minority of troublemakers and traitors in Bahrain have been dealt with who did obviously not represent the majority of Shias in Bahrain either.
Anyway sect here is irrelevant, your likes seem to obsess about it as it seems to dictate your likes entire identity to the point that you sell yourself out to foreigners while engaging in self-hatred/hostility towards your own brethren. Have a bit of shame. This goes way beyond regimes/governments in power, political ideologies or sectarian allegiance. Luckily your likes are a tiny and dying minority in Iraq, we Arabs (especially those of us with ancestral/family ties to Iraq) all observe what is going on in Iraq politically, on the street, what Iraqis are writing on social media and where the future is going. A dying breed in other words.
@Falcon29
More clueless non-Arabs writing nonsense as expected. Welcome to PDF.
What is next? As for Turkey, all sane Arabs reject negative foreign meddling whether we are talking about Americans, Jews or Martians. Only those whose loyalty is to foreigners over their own brethren (maybe this rings a few bells for you?) will not understand that.
Your assumptions are wrong. I last logged in well over 2 weeks ago and whenever I am active I tend to write a lot of posts within a short timespan. After that I usually leave again. However it seems that you are still around.
- You are anti-US, yet the deeply incomepetnt people that you worship (the entire Shia political elite aligned with Iran - I am not talking about the larger Iraqi Shia Arab clergy here or people who are not aligned with the Iranian regime and who do not share their destructive agenda in Iraq) came to power on the back of American tanks and fighter jets. Why do I have a suspicion that you have no love lost for the actual Iraqis that caused almost all US casualties during the American occupation of Iraq? I don't need to elaborate in which regions those people lived/live and who they align with overall and who they received support from.
- Either you are a very bad Iranian troll pretending to be an Iraqi or you are clueless about even the most elementary dynamics of Arabic Twitter. In case you have not noticed it, there is an ongoing propaganda war waged by a bots of either party. KSA, MB, Qatar, Turkey, Iran, Shia, Sunni, whatever. Welcome to 2020. PDF is no different, in case you missed it. Being anti-Iran regime is something that most Arabs share and you know this very well. Even a huge section of Arab Shias have no love lost for Iran. You know this as well. Now you are trying to invent the wheel and claim that Saudi Arabians and Qataris (identical people) hate each other?
- It is not irrelevant unless you think that history began in 2015. Lastly there is zero evidence of that. Wanting peace (which every sane person should want, whether Arab or Israeli, most want that as well) is a natural thing. A two-state solution is non-negotiable from the Arab perspective and no Arab regime can or has claimed otherwise. No point even doing any surveys in regards to what the Arab people want to see as that is self-explanatory.
- You only see sect. I see the whole picture. Geography, history (pre-Islamic and Islamic), race, ethnicity, clan and tribal ties, linguistic ties, cultural ties and practically everything that makes a people a people. Anyone that knows me here on PDF, will tell you, that sect is one of the least concerns of me. I don't care what sect you are. You can even be an atheist or communist. In my eyes you will remain an Iraqi Shia Arab.
- Installed by Iran as well. The same Iran that meddles directly and openly in your political system. How pathetic and how low has the Iraqi nation been forced to behave?
- Nothing called "Makkah of Shia". Another invention, my Iranian friend. Najaf and Karbala are Arab cities. Their Arab identity predates the notion of Iraq. Cities founded by Arabs and inhabited by Arabs. The people buried there that you worship/visit, are likewise Arabs. From modern-day KSA moreover. As are most of the people in those two cities. As are the Al-Faiz dynasty (Hashemite gatekeepers of Karbala since the year 861). You see even this ground reality you want to somehow change by alienating brethren that share everything in common. Your brainwashing attempts/propaganda is not working, I am afraid, every literate Iraqi and Saudi Arabian is well aware of the ground realities irrespective of regimes in power or sect. Sect is irrelevant for all the factors that I wrote about and listed. Might not be irrelevant for the individual in question. Did I tell you to leave your Shia beliefs? What are you blabbering about?
- I won't lie, anyone who shamelessly defends the murderous, treacherous, corrupt, incompetent, stealing, etc. political elite in Iraq aligned to the Mullah regime is a traitor not only of Iraq but their Arab brethren. We are talking about the same filth that fought against Iraq and Iraqis on the side of the enemy. Anyone, such as you, that whitewashes recent massacres of your own supposed brethren (Iraqi Shia Arabs), gunned down like cattle for the sole reason of protesting (yes a minority of protestors were not peaceful but this is stating the obvious, this is no different anywhere else in the region and your likes have been crying about imaginary "oppressed" Shias in the GCC who engage in much worse events yet are not gunned down like cattle so don't give me this song of yours) and you seemingly are incapable of seeing the demon/reason for your current sad/intolerable state despite it being right in front of you. Let me tell you a ting, KSA/GCC/Arab countries have barely had any dealings with Iraq since 2003 (politically and in terms of influence/direct interference). Opening up occurred just recently. So whatever occurred from 2003 onwards is mostly the fault of outside actors such as the US and Iran and nobody else aside from Iraqis. You can deny this all you want to.
- Yes, blabbering is irrelevant, let us focus on the ground realities of Iraq as of 2020 shall we? I don't bother pointing out what your beloved Iranian regime puppets have done in Iraq since 2003 or are doing, I think this speaks for itself and most Iraqis unfortunately live in that reality. Keep aligning yourself (as if you have a say, you sadly don't, try speak out against those Mullah/terrorists and you will disappear as well) with those failures and see how far you go.
