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Petra

Inhabited since prehistoric times, this Nabataean caravan-city, situated between the Red Sea and the Dead Sea, was an important crossroads between Arabia, Egypt and Syria-Phoenicia. Petra is half-built, half-carved into the rock, and is surrounded by mountains riddled with passages and gorges. It is one of the world's most famous archaeological sites, where ancient Eastern traditions blend with Hellenistic architecture.

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Petra is amazing.

This is equivalent of Petra in India.

 
Replying to all the nonsense in this thread. PDF turning into some Arab-obsessed echo chamber full of historical lies, nonsense etc. is not something new, sadly. Some moderators are apparently working on changing this but it seems that they are not successful so far. There is reason why 99.99% of all Arab users have left PDF long ago and why the level of PDF and reputation (sadly) has gone down the drain each year.

hahah brother Count me in, I was banned multiple times in past few months because I dared called the famous Zainabyun Terrorists out, and their links to Iran and the Shia 's in Pakistan , not 1 , not 2 but 4-5 Moderators Gangs up on me , in fact I mentioned the very point you make here " There is reason why 99.99% of all Arab users have left PDF long ago " , And the respond I got from a Think Tank Analyst was " Shut up " .. :)
I don't give you a wrong impression that I am a Arab lover, you might read some of my Negative comments about Arabs and some ME countries but at least its fair that if I am allowed to Criticize Arabs or ME or Sunni's , so I should be allowed to Criticize the Shia's , Terrorists which are associate with the sect and subscribe to Iran , but I was harassed and even Threatened by Permanent banned :) I limit my contribution to this forum because as you say its reputation is draining down in gutters by every second, and with new People given the titles and Powers to judge what is right and what is wrong, I don't see myself to last very long here haha

I call them people who control the narrative not just on PDF, I specifically mentioned that Banking sector and Media in Pakistan is dominated by them , and they control the narrative what People in Pakistan see or hear .

Oh and I reported the post where a Member called Arabs " Hijra " ( offensive word ) , Lets see how long before the Same moderators who ban me within minutes of me saying anything to their sect, will respond to that Racism and Disrespectful comments. @Slav Defence
 
So he is a puppet because he did not gain power in Jordan after arriving home from France on an Air France plane? Because he does not engage in pointless and frankly pathetic "death to America and death to Israel" screaming games while never attacking Israel directly even once? Because his dynasty and country, unlike Iran, fought several wars against Israel and killed more Israeli soldiers and civilians (in the 1000's) that Iran can dream about?
Or is it because he is wise and pragmatic enough to understand that Jordan as of today is no match militarily with nuclear-armed and 100% Western (USA) supported Israel?

PDF logic.:lol:



The last time a massive war/conflict erupted (1973), Arabs (Egypt) regained an occupied territory (Sinai) larger than Israel and Palestine combined. However no wonder that the foster child of the US/West (Israel) in the region would/is militarily superior to a small number of besieged Palestinians who don't even have an army to boost of. Nothing to brag about, really.



Israel has no territorial claims on Jordan and in case of such a thing occurring in an alternative universe, Israeli Jews (2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews) would be even further heavily outnumbered compared to the Palestinian Arabs, Israeli Arabs and Jordanian Arabs. Nor is such a scenario remotely realistic.



ALL as is ALL nation states are artificial creations of mankind with artificial man-made borders. Yet I find such a comment from a PDF Think Thank (speaks volume about the level on PDF) rather tragicomical given that Jordan is almost 30 years older than India which is a British creation made in the year 1947. An entity that was never united even once in history prior to 1947 and before the Brits conquered South Asia and incorporated those 500 + something princely/quasi-states under the British imperial banner.

Unlike India, Jordan is a rather homogenous country as well. With an older recorded history than India moreover and a country/region of the world that is part of the cradle of civilization (Arab Near East) and which is a part of two ancient historical regions in Arabia and Sham (Levant).

The capital Amman is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on the planet. Jordan has one of the highest concentrations of impressive ancient artifacts dating to various native Semitic civilizations (Arabs being one of them), Nabatean (An Arab people native to Hijaz) Petra being known as one of the wonders of the world, and several impressive Roman and Greek historical sites.

Those "bunch of princelings" belong to the world's oldest ruling dynasty that can trace it ancestry back directly in a direct male line to Prophet Ibrahim (as) almost 5000 years ago. A genuine Hashemite lineage as well with a 700 + year long rule in Hijaz with tons of branches ruling for over 1 millennia on 3 continents (Asia, Africa and Europe).

Those "princelings" have a far greater/more impressive/older/more respected pedigree than any former dynasty in South Asia and most of the world for that matter. In terms of age, I can only think of the Japanese imperial family although they are a far younger dynasty.

Also what in the good world has KSA to do with this thread which is about Jordan and Israel? And why is KSA's leadership any worse than say the current Indian one, the American one, the Russian one, the Iranian one, the Turkish one and I could go on? However yes, KSA was never a Western colony or a colony of foreigners for that matter and the House of Saud dynasty is a local dynasty that unified modern-day KSA through conquest.



In what world was that? Do you think that ancient Israel (1 Semitic entity out of numerous in the region) is even REMOTELY close to being the oldest entity in the region? We are talking about a region of the world (Arab world) that has the oldest attested history on the planet. Did you know that Herod the Great (one of the greatest kings of ancient Israel) was half Nabatean and that his father was a Aromean Semite? Both Nabateans and Aromeans originated from Hijaz and were non-Israelite Semitic people.



Are you mentally challenged? Do you think that King Abdullah II of all people is clueless about the region and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict given his family history? You do realize that he is married to a Jordanian-Palestinian women and that his successor will be half Palestinian?

Also the King has been speaking out of suicidal Israeli policies (annexation) for 2 decades. You being clueless about Arab politics/sleeping for years, is not his problem.



What are you blabbering about Salman F?

Freemason?

He speaks Arabic fluently with a slight accent when speaking fus7a due to his upbringing and education abroad. Him being half English (mother) is irrelevant, monarchs/rulers in the region have been marrying with foreigners/other dynasties for millennia. In Arab culture descent is inherited from the father as is the surname, tribal/clan affiliation etc. Using that logic less than 5% of the Ottoman rulers were Turks but a bunch of Circassians, Ukrainians, Georigans and what not. His children are a quarter British and 75% Arab. Rest of his siblings (brothers) are 100% Arab.



You do realize that this map was drawn by some 3 year old kid? It has zero historical accuracy and is as likely as me banning all idiots on PDF.



Complete and utter nonsense post (a myth) as proven in this link below:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan–Saudi_Arabia_border[/URL]

The border is the result of land exchanges between KSA and Jordan in the 1950's and 1960's (as described in the link) and the result of the Hashemites conquering/liberating that region of the Arab world (modern-day Jordan) over 100 years ago and the result of House of Saud conquests of the Emirate of Hail.

That the Brits had established the mandate of Iraq, British Palestine etc. is not the fault of KSA or Jordan.

Using that logic, ALL, as in ALL of Iran's borders are similarly artificial creations which I can clearly demonstrate by this map alone.

[IMG]https://kyleorton1991.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/iran-territory-losses.jpg?w=625&h=540[/IMG]



Both India and Pakistan were given independence from the UK in 1947 and both were left to their own with the West looking the other way when what is modern-day Pakistan (East Pakistan excluded today) and India emerged shortly afterwards. The same West looked the other way when both developed nuclear bombs, something that Arab states next to Europe such as Iraq, Libya, Egypt and others were prevented to do by force even though the same West (in theory) could invade both and in a worst case scenario nuke both.

Numbers mean nothing here. Israel is a totally different animal by virtue of being a foster child of the US/West. It is a Western implant in the region to prevent the rise of the Arab world again, an age old rival/enemy/occupier of Europe. The Arab world and Europe have had civilizational ties for millennia for good and bad. Since the emergence of Islam the dynamic changed and rest is history.

Do you think that USA/West would look silently at Israel being harmed or their existence threatened? Who do you think created their nuclear weapons program and allowed it to emerge in the first place while combating that of its Arab neighbors in the most harsh way possible?

It is not comparable.

As for the last part of your comment, I agree and I don't dispute that.




Replying to all the nonsense in this thread. PDF turning into some Arab-obsessed echo chamber full of historical lies, nonsense etc. is not something new, sadly. Some moderators are apparently working on changing this but it seems that they are not successful so far. There is a reason why 99.99% of all Arab users have left PDF long ago and why the level of PDF and reputation (sadly) has gone down the drain each year. As well as tons of old quality users leaving. Anyway I don't take this forum seriously but after being busy for 2 + weeks, I logged in to see what was going on and was met with the usual nonsense so I thought that I made as well make some quick replies to counter the nonsense. As you know, I used to deal with this nonsense single-handedly but I can't spend 24/7 hours countering nonsense on some Pakistani forum online, lol. Nobody should.
Dear brother I am a Pakistani Alvi, Alvi means from the blood line of hazrat Ali RadiAllah anho. I am proud of my Arab blood but sorry to say today's arabs are a disgrace for Muslims. You have joined hands with the devil (USA and Israel and India) against Islam. We expected leadership from Arabs but we are only getting useless PRINCES running land cruisers and ferraris. You have wasted all your wealth on prostitutes and drinks. You have no industry, no military power, every body laughs at you, look what you have done to Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen etc etc. We love you but your actions are disgraceful. Sorry if it breaks your heart.
 
If you carefully observe the below maps, you will notice a part of Jordan and Golan heights were part of the ancient map.


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So again you agree that Jordan was never part of Ancient Israel..Why do you keep repeating the same stuff?

If you carefully observe the below maps, you will notice a part of Jordan and Golan heights were part of the ancient map.


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You seem to be fixated on a very brief part of middle eastern history. Remember the maps you have shown don't show "ancient Israel" they show two different kingdoms amongst other kingdoms. There are parts of Israel today that were not part of "ancient Israel". So if you use that logic, Israel would have to concede major parts of its country and any tom dick and harry can give us a history lesson and claim to be rightful owners of these lands. The land that's called Israel has an indigenous population and they have been living there way before these jews made a pact with the British.
 
So he is a puppet because he did not gain power in Jordan after arriving home from France on an Air France plane? Because he does not engage in pointless and frankly pathetic "death to America and death to Israel" screaming games while never attacking Israel directly even once? Because his dynasty and country, unlike Iran, fought several wars against Israel and killed more Israeli soldiers and civilians (in the 1000's) that Iran can dream about?
Or is it because he is wise and pragmatic enough to understand that Jordan as of today is no match militarily with nuclear-armed and 100% Western (USA) supported Israel?

PDF logic.:lol:



The last time a massive war/conflict erupted (1973), Arabs (Egypt) regained an occupied territory (Sinai) larger than Israel and Palestine combined. However no wonder that the foster child of the US/West (Israel) in the region would/is militarily superior to a small number of besieged Palestinians who don't even have an army to boost of. Nothing to brag about, really.



Israel has no territorial claims on Jordan and in case of such a thing occurring in an alternative universe, Israeli Jews (2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews) would be even further heavily outnumbered compared to the Palestinian Arabs, Israeli Arabs and Jordanian Arabs. Nor is such a scenario remotely realistic.



ALL as is ALL nation states are artificial creations of mankind with artificial man-made borders. Yet I find such a comment from a PDF Think Thank (speaks volume about the level on PDF) rather tragicomical given that Jordan is almost 30 years older than India which is a British creation made in the year 1947. An entity that was never united even once in history prior to 1947 and before the Brits conquered South Asia and incorporated those 500 + something princely/quasi-states under the British imperial banner.

Unlike India, Jordan is a rather homogenous country as well. With an older recorded history than India moreover and a country/region of the world that is part of the cradle of civilization (Arab Near East) and which is a part of two ancient historical regions in Arabia and Sham (Levant).

The capital Amman is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on the planet. Jordan has one of the highest concentrations of impressive ancient artifacts dating to various native Semitic civilizations (Arabs being one of them), Nabatean (An Arab people native to Hijaz) Petra being known as one of the wonders of the world, and several impressive Roman and Greek historical sites.

Those "bunch of princelings" belong to the world's oldest ruling dynasty that can trace it ancestry back directly in a direct male line to Prophet Ibrahim (as) almost 5000 years ago. A genuine Hashemite lineage as well with a 700 + year long rule in Hijaz with tons of branches ruling for over 1 millennia on 3 continents (Asia, Africa and Europe).

Those "princelings" have a far greater/more impressive/older/more respected pedigree than any former dynasty in South Asia and most of the world for that matter. In terms of age, I can only think of the Japanese imperial family although they are a far younger dynasty.

Also what in the good world has KSA to do with this thread which is about Jordan and Israel? And why is KSA's leadership any worse than say the current Indian one, the American one, the Russian one, the Iranian one, the Turkish one and I could go on? However yes, KSA was never a Western colony or a colony of foreigners for that matter and the House of Saud dynasty is a local dynasty that unified modern-day KSA through conquest.



In what world was that? Do you think that ancient Israel (1 Semitic entity out of numerous in the region) is even REMOTELY close to being the oldest entity in the region? We are talking about a region of the world (Arab world) that has the oldest attested history on the planet. Did you know that Herod the Great (one of the greatest kings of ancient Israel) was half Nabatean and that his father was a Aromean Semite? Both Nabateans and Aromeans originated from Hijaz and were non-Israelite Semitic people.



Are you mentally challenged? Do you think that King Abdullah II of all people is clueless about the region and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict given his family history? You do realize that he is married to a Jordanian-Palestinian women and that his successor will be half Palestinian?

Also the King has been speaking out of suicidal Israeli policies (annexation) for 2 decades. You being clueless about Arab politics/sleeping for years, is not his problem.



What are you blabbering about Salman F?

Freemason?

He speaks Arabic fluently with a slight accent when speaking fus7a due to his upbringing and education abroad. Him being half English (mother) is irrelevant, monarchs/rulers in the region have been marrying with foreigners/other dynasties for millennia. In Arab culture descent is inherited from the father as is the surname, tribal/clan affiliation etc. Using that logic less than 5% of the Ottoman rulers were Turks but a bunch of Circassians, Ukrainians, Georigans and what not. His children are a quarter British and 75% Arab. Rest of his siblings (brothers) are 100% Arab.



You do realize that this map was drawn by some 3 year old kid? It has zero historical accuracy and is as likely as me banning all idiots on PDF.



Complete and utter nonsense post (a myth) as proven in this link below:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan–Saudi_Arabia_border[/URL]

The border is the result of land exchanges between KSA and Jordan in the 1950's and 1960's (as described in the link) and the result of the Hashemites conquering/liberating that region of the Arab world (modern-day Jordan) over 100 years ago and the result of House of Saud conquests of the Emirate of Hail.

That the Brits had established the mandate of Iraq, British Palestine etc. is not the fault of KSA or Jordan.

Using that logic, ALL, as in ALL of Iran's borders are similarly artificial creations which I can clearly demonstrate by this map alone.

[IMG]https://kyleorton1991.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/iran-territory-losses.jpg?w=625&h=540[/IMG]



Both India and Pakistan were given independence from the UK in 1947 and both were left to their own with the West looking the other way when what is modern-day Pakistan (East Pakistan excluded today) and India emerged shortly afterwards. The same West looked the other way when both developed nuclear bombs, something that Arab states next to Europe such as Iraq, Libya, Egypt and others were prevented to do by force even though the same West (in theory) could invade both and in a worst case scenario nuke both.

Numbers mean nothing here. Israel is a totally different animal by virtue of being a foster child of the US/West. It is a Western implant in the region to prevent the rise of the Arab world again, an age old rival/enemy/occupier of Europe. The Arab world and Europe have had civilizational ties for millennia for good and bad. Since the emergence of Islam the dynamic changed and rest is history.

Do you think that USA/West would look silently at Israel being harmed or their existence threatened? Who do you think created their nuclear weapons program and allowed it to emerge in the first place while combating that of its Arab neighbors in the most harsh way possible?

It is not comparable.

As for the last part of your comment, I agree and I don't dispute that.




Replying to all the nonsense in this thread. PDF turning into some Arab-obsessed echo chamber full of historical lies, nonsense etc. is not something new, sadly. Some moderators are apparently working on changing this but it seems that they are not successful so far. There is a reason why 99.99% of all Arab users have left PDF long ago and why the level of PDF and reputation (sadly) has gone down the drain each year. As well as tons of old quality users leaving. Anyway I don't take this forum seriously but after being busy for 2 + weeks, I logged in to see what was going on and was met with the usual nonsense so I thought that I made as well make some quick replies to counter the nonsense. As you know, I used to deal with this nonsense single-handedly but I can't spend 24/7 hours countering nonsense on some Pakistani forum online, lol. Nobody should.
dont leave us, we love you our Arab brother, its just that Arab's behaviour in support of India and against innocent Muslims of Kashmir has really hurt our feelings, but on behalf of all PDF i say sorry to you. Our aim is not to hurt you but it is very painful to see Muslims getting killed every where.
 
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King Abdullah II bin al-Hussein (Arabic: عبدالله الثاني بن الحسين) (born 30 January 1962; age 58) is the king of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. An acknowledged fan of Star Trek, King Abdullah (then a prince) appeared as an uncredited extra in the Star Trek: Voyager second season episode "Investigations". Voyager executive producer Jeri Taylor commented, "Take away the title and the trappings, and at the core you have a Star Trek fan." (Star Trek Monthly issue 16)

So among his other duties, he’s also a member of Starfleet. Interesting..
 
I as a kashmiri and pakistani stand with the kingdom of hashmiz. We stand to protect house of Hashim and their country. We will lay down our lives to protect hashimite kingdom . By Allah's grace they are not only hashmi but also Muslims.

Pakistaniz will defend hashimite kingdom of Jordan and its muslims.

Not because we are against israel. Just because ot is our faithful duty to protect Hashimiz and Muslims. But Hashimiz hold speicial place for every muslim no matter what divided shia or sunni group they belong to.

We will defend Hashimiz.
 
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Birth name:
عبدالله الثاني بن الحسين
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Date of birth:
30 January 1962
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Amman, Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan
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Background Actor
Character(s):
Voyager sciences lieutenant


King Abdullah II bin al-Hussein (Arabic: عبدالله الثاني بن الحسين) (born 30 January 1962; age 58) is the king of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. An acknowledged fan of Star Trek, King Abdullah (then a prince) appeared as an uncredited extra in the Star Trek: Voyager second season episode "Investigations". Voyager executive producer Jeri Taylor commented, "Take away the title and the trappings, and at the core you have a Star Trek fan." (Star Trek Monthly issue 16)
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It’s seems he love acting so much:lol:
 
King Abdullah is a highly educated ruler (impressive military career as well for a sovereign) who speaks several languages (already here he is way ahead of most contemporary leaders in the region and the Muslim world) and who has improved Jordan on every front in the past 2 decades despite all the many obstacles that stands in the way of Jordan whether it is geography, regional politics or the relative lack of resources. All while being located in one of the most difficult areas of the world to govern in. A pragmatic ruler that has ensured that Jordan is seen as a reliable mediator across the Arab world (similar position to Kuwait and Oman) all while Jordan is at friendly terms with all relevant powers of the world be they Western or Eastern.

What matters here is that the Jordanian people respect him and the Hashemite dynasty and while improvements are always needed and welcome of the existing political model (like anywhere in the region) he is doing very well. If Jordan had the resources that many nations of Jordan's size have, Jordan would be an even bigger success story.

As for Jordan in relation to Palestine/Israel, Jordan will be the country that will be hit the hardest in case of any major conflict/war given the geography (Palestines/Israel's longest border is with Jordan) and given the large population of Palestinians in Jordan. Exemplified by Queen Rania.

Jordanians also saw what occurred in neighboring Syria and Iraq in terms of recent regime changes/instability/civil wars/imposed wars recently thus removing the appetite for any grandiose and naive "revolution". The way forward should be a symbiotic internal development as has been the case in the past 2 decades. The political and social solution in other words.

You do that best by improving your economy, ensuring safety/peace/stability and being pragmatic and not engaging in suicidal political ambitions and nonsense of being directly hostile to a nuclear-armed foster child of the US/West (Israel) that is significantly stronger than Jordan military for good reason.
 
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first get West Bank from Israel then speak

Israel took West Bank from Jordan in 1973 shame on them they cant even take it back

Gaza was taken from Egypt and Golan Heights from Syria

and East Jerusalem

come to think of it the Arabs totally failed in every single aspect
 

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