So he is a puppet because he did not gain power in Jordan after arriving home from France on an Air France plane? Because he does not engage in pointless and frankly pathetic "death to America and death to Israel" screaming games while never attacking Israel directly even once? Because his dynasty and country, unlike Iran, fought several wars against Israel and killed more Israeli soldiers and civilians (in the 1000's) that Iran can dream about?
Or is it because he is wise and pragmatic enough to understand that Jordan as of today is no match militarily with nuclear-armed and 100% Western (USA) supported Israel?
PDF logic.
The last time a massive war/conflict erupted (1973), Arabs (Egypt) regained an occupied territory (Sinai) larger than Israel and Palestine combined. However no wonder that the foster child of the US/West (Israel) in the region would/is militarily superior to a small number of besieged Palestinians who don't even have an army to boost of. Nothing to brag about, really.
Israel has no territorial claims on Jordan and in case of such a thing occurring in an alternative universe, Israeli Jews (2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews) would be even further heavily outnumbered compared to the Palestinian Arabs, Israeli Arabs and Jordanian Arabs. Nor is such a scenario remotely realistic.
ALL as is ALL nation states are artificial creations of mankind with artificial man-made borders. Yet I find such a comment from a PDF Think Thank (speaks volume about the level on PDF) rather tragicomical given that Jordan is almost 30 years older than India which is a British creation made in the year 1947. An entity that was never united even once in history prior to 1947 and before the Brits conquered South Asia and incorporated those 500 + something princely/quasi-states under the British imperial banner.
Unlike India, Jordan is a rather homogenous country as well. With an older recorded history than India moreover and a country/region of the world that is part of the cradle of civilization (Arab Near East) and which is a part of two ancient historical regions in Arabia and Sham (Levant).
The capital Amman is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on the planet. Jordan has one of the highest concentrations of impressive ancient artifacts dating to various native Semitic civilizations (Arabs being one of them), Nabatean (An Arab people native to Hijaz) Petra being known as one of the wonders of the world, and several impressive Roman and Greek historical sites.
Those "bunch of princelings" belong to the world's oldest ruling dynasty that can trace it ancestry back directly in a direct male line to Prophet Ibrahim (as) almost 5000 years ago. A genuine Hashemite lineage as well with a 700 + year long rule in Hijaz with tons of branches ruling for over 1 millennia on 3 continents (Asia, Africa and Europe).
Those "princelings" have a far greater/more impressive/older/more respected pedigree than any former dynasty in South Asia and most of the world for that matter. In terms of age, I can only think of the Japanese imperial family although they are a far younger dynasty.
Also what in the good world has KSA to do with this thread which is about Jordan and Israel? And why is KSA's leadership any worse than say the current Indian one, the American one, the Russian one, the Iranian one, the Turkish one and I could go on? However yes, KSA was never a Western colony or a colony of foreigners for that matter and the House of Saud dynasty is a local dynasty that unified modern-day KSA through conquest.
In what world was that? Do you think that ancient Israel (1 Semitic entity out of numerous in the region) is even REMOTELY close to being the oldest entity in the region? We are talking about a region of the world (Arab world) that has the oldest attested history on the planet. Did you know that Herod the Great (one of the greatest kings of ancient Israel) was half Nabatean and that his father was a Aromean Semite? Both Nabateans and Aromeans originated from Hijaz and were non-Israelite Semitic people.
Are you mentally challenged? Do you think that King Abdullah II of all people is clueless about the region and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict given his family history? You do realize that he is married to a Jordanian-Palestinian women and that his successor will be half Palestinian?
Also the King has been speaking out of suicidal Israeli policies (annexation) for 2 decades. You being clueless about Arab politics/sleeping for years, is not his problem.
What are you blabbering about Salman F?
Freemason?
He speaks Arabic fluently with a slight accent when speaking fus7a due to his upbringing and education abroad. Him being half English (mother) is irrelevant, monarchs/rulers in the region have been marrying with foreigners/other dynasties for millennia. In Arab culture descent is inherited from the father as is the surname, tribal/clan affiliation etc. Using that logic less than 5% of the Ottoman rulers were Turks but a bunch of Circassians, Ukrainians, Georigans and what not. His children are a quarter British and 75% Arab. Rest of his siblings (brothers) are 100% Arab.
You do realize that this map was drawn by some 3 year old kid? It has zero historical accuracy and is as likely as me banning all idiots on PDF.
Complete and utter nonsense post (a myth) as proven in this link below:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan–Saudi_Arabia_border[/URL]
The border is the result of land exchanges between KSA and Jordan in the 1950's and 1960's (as described in the link) and the result of the Hashemites conquering/liberating that region of the Arab world (modern-day Jordan) over 100 years ago and the result of House of Saud conquests of the Emirate of Hail.
That the Brits had established the mandate of Iraq, British Palestine etc. is not the fault of KSA or Jordan.
Using that logic, ALL, as in ALL of Iran's borders are similarly artificial creations which I can clearly demonstrate by this map alone.
[IMG]https://kyleorton1991.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/iran-territory-losses.jpg?w=625&h=540[/IMG]
Both India and Pakistan were given independence from the UK in 1947 and both were left to their own with the West looking the other way when what is modern-day Pakistan (East Pakistan excluded today) and India emerged shortly afterwards. The same West looked the other way when both developed nuclear bombs, something that Arab states next to Europe such as Iraq, Libya, Egypt and others were prevented to do by force even though the same West (in theory) could invade both and in a worst case scenario nuke both.
Numbers mean nothing here. Israel is a totally different animal by virtue of being a foster child of the US/West. It is a Western implant in the region to prevent the rise of the Arab world again, an age old rival/enemy/occupier of Europe. The Arab world and Europe have had civilizational ties for millennia for good and bad. Since the emergence of Islam the dynamic changed and rest is history.
Do you think that USA/West would look silently at Israel being harmed or their existence threatened? Who do you think created their nuclear weapons program and allowed it to emerge in the first place while combating that of its Arab neighbors in the most harsh way possible?
It is not comparable.
As for the last part of your comment, I agree and I don't dispute that.
Replying to all the nonsense in this thread. PDF turning into some Arab-obsessed echo chamber full of historical lies, nonsense etc. is not something new, sadly. Some moderators are apparently working on changing this but it seems that they are not successful so far. There is a reason why 99.99% of all Arab users have left PDF long ago and why the level of PDF and reputation (sadly) has gone down the drain each year. As well as tons of old quality users leaving. Anyway I don't take this forum seriously but after being busy for 2 + weeks, I logged in to see what was going on and was met with the usual nonsense so I thought that I made as well make some quick replies to counter the nonsense. As you know, I used to deal with this nonsense single-handedly but I can't spend 24/7 hours countering nonsense on some Pakistani forum online, lol. Nobody should.
