Kim Jong Il warned North Korea to stay away from China in his will

[Fanling Monk]

@Kalu_ Miah

I am just curious about why Koreans have so strong anti Chinese and xeno-phobic feelings towards Chinese. This is not supposed to be an anti China post. I do however support Koreans in their drive for sovereignty and self determination free from any outside interference, whether that be from China, USA or Japan. And of course I do support Koreans as a potential partner for a future ASEAN+ group.


South Koreans are friends to no one but good daughters of the US. They look down on ASEAN nations and despise Japanese more than anyone else. They don't really hate China but rather ungrateful to her.

Do not use the gentleman 'Korean' here as a guide because he belongs to any country but Korea.

 

[Alpha-Stryke]

What the Koreans allowed to happen to their ancient nation is extremely sad. They let a foreign nation, aka America, intervene in their own internal matter and push them into war with their own people (aka civil war). As if that was not humiliation enough, they now allow America to basically split their nation in half, with the Southern Half an American puppet, while the Northern Half has gone completely off the deep end mentally speaking. Basically, retards and sociopaths on the northern side, traitors and greedy politicians on the Southern side.

The Korean people need to get their **** together. Only they are in command of their destiny. They need to slaughter their leaders who are selling them out, and the reunify. The south can give food, monetary aid, medical aid, and economic aid to the north. The north can give the south their nuclear technology. It will be hard in the beginning, but in the long run Korea will finally emerge as a powerful nation, both militarily and economically.

For a good recent example of this, check out East and West Germany and it's unification.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Historically speaking, when ever Korea got into deep poo poo, China always bailed them out.
I don't understand why Korean's view China with disdain and hate, Chinese have never invaded Korea and actually helped them every time they needed it.

Mao manipulated North Korea into starting the Korean War and then held up the armistice agreement for two years, to the detriment of North Korea. North Korea did not want to start the Korean War, but Mao decided it was in his interest to provoke the war so that the USA's response would threaten the Soviet interests in the area. That gave Mao the leverage he needed to finally get Stalin to assist the PRC in developing nuclear weapons, something Stalin had refused to do before 1950. Then, Mao sent thousands of formerly Kuomintang soldiers, who had been captured in the Chinese Civil War, into the Korean War as canon fodder to be chewed up by the UN forces. Thousands of these former Koumintang soldiers were captured and held as prisoners by the UN forces in South Korea. The Korean War Armistice was then delayed for two years because Mao demanded that these soldiers be repatriated to the PRC, so that he could execute the survivors. However, the UN forces refused to send them back, instead honoring their plea to be repatriated to Taiwan. The Korean War was fought entirely for the purposes of Mao's China, at great cost to both the North and South Korean peoples. The Kim family knows the truth about China's treatment of North Korea, i.e., as a vassal state, with subordinate interests. Hence, his death bed warning.

 

[IranZamin]

Kim Jong Il is funny guy... to bad he is dead

 

[kalu_miah]

@Fanling Monk, I personally know South Koreans who have strong anti-chinese feelings. They do despise the Japanese, but are willing to work with them and ASEAN, because in the end they know that the West/US is making so many mistakes on world stage and may not be the lone super power to save them from threats.

So this Korean is not my guide, but anti-chinese feelings is actually very common and I have a suspicion it has historic reasons.

Here is what wiki says about South Korean Chinese relations:

Historical issues
Koreans have been nervous towards Chinese because of historical claims surrounding Goguryeo and its related kingdoms.[7] The PRC government has recently begun the Northeast Project, a controversial Chinese government research project claiming Goguryeo and other various Korean kingdoms, including Gojoseon, Buyeo and Balhae, to be Chinese tributary states. This sparked a massive uproar in South Korea when the project was widely publicized in 2004.[8]

 

[twilight]

Actually it is abnormal for Pakistan to like China, because every single neighbor of China hates China.

well , little nation always hate their great neighbor nation ...

 

[Korean]

@Fanling Monk, I personally know South Koreans who have strong anti-chinese feelings. They do despise the Japanese, but are willing to work with them and ASEAN, because in the end they know that the West/US is making so many mistakes on world stage and may not be the lone super power to save them from threats.

The anti-China feeling is aimed toward the Communist China and mainlanders. No such anti-China feeling existed prior to the Korean War, because the last direct war between the mainland forces and Korean troops was in 680 AD and 1400 years have passed since and the only interaction going on was exchange of diplomatic letters and gifts. Even after the Korean War, the hard feelings were generally forgotten until the diplomatic restoration and the interactions with mainlanders increased exponentially, and this was when Anti-China feelings began to be formalized as they found the mainlanders to be rude, uncivilized "savages" from the 19th century in terms in ethics and behavior. North Korea have been dealing with mainlanders much longer so they would have formed negative impressions of mainland China that much longer; it didn't began in the ROK until 1993 and is a recent phenomenon. Before 1993, the Hong Kongese and Taiwanese represented the "Chinese" and this impression wasn't bad at all.

That impression of Chinese(Taiwanese and Hong Kongese) was replaced by the farmer-looking Illegal Chinese immigrants walking around looking for walk, the tourists who are noisy and ill mannered, and the Chinese fishermen since then and destroyed whatever the good image the word "Chinese" had until that point.

 

[Fanling Monk]

@Fanling Monk, I personally know South Koreans who have strong anti-chinese feelings. They do despise the Japanese, but are willing to work with them and ASEAN, because in the end they know that the West/US is making so many mistakes on world stage and may not be the lone super power to save them from threats.

So this Korean is not my guide, but anti-chinese feelings is actually very common and I have a suspicion it has historic reasons.

Here is what wiki says about South Korean Chinese relations:

The Koreans today are heavily influenced by their government and medias for nationalism and fear mongering. Their hates for the Chinese are superficial and not as deep as a feeling toward the Japanese. It has more to do with the fear of Communism than any thing else and is understandable. You could see that in the social stratum of both societies. Chinese and Koreans do get along on the street level as a whole, but you couldn't say that with the Japanese.

Personally I have many dealings and social exchanges with them and I know for sure those friendship feelings are genuine.

 

[kalu_miah]

The Koreans today are heavily influenced by their government and medias for nationalism and fear mongering. Their hates for the Chinese are superficial and not as deep as a feeling toward the Japanese. It has more to do with the fear of Communism than any thing else and is understandable. You could see that in the social stratum of both societies. Chinese and Koreans do get along on the street level as a whole, but you couldn't say that with the Japanese.

Personally I have many dealings and social exchanges with them and I know for sure those friendship feelings are genuine.

I would say all Asians get along fairly well at street level. There is even Asian American associations in the US. Nationalism is indeed a problem and it affects all nations. It is almost a necessary evil, but its use must be deliberate and careful without too much negative repercussions.

I have known Korean girls who grew up in Japan and think like Japanese. In that circle, we had Japanese as well as Koreans, but no Chinese, may be because the Chinese community live in a different part of the town. My observation is that Japanese and Koreans get along as good as they get along with Chinese. But there are always differences, as all human beings are unique and it varies from people to people.

As neighbors in East Asia I hope that China, Japan and Korea can work out their differences, but geopolitics will take its inevitable course, that is the unfortunate reality. So it is better to acknowledge reality and then be prepared for that reality, which is defined as pragmatism.

The anti-China feeling is aimed toward the Communist China and mainlanders. No such anti-China feeling existed prior to the Korean War, because the last direct war between the mainland forces and Korean troops was in 680 AD and 1400 years have passed since and the only interaction going on was exchange of diplomatic letters and gifts. Even after the Korean War, the hard feelings were generally forgotten until the diplomatic restoration and the interactions with mainlanders increased exponentially, and this was when Anti-China feelings began to be formalized as they found the mainlanders to be rude, uncivilized "savages" from the 19th century in terms in ethics and behavior. North Korea have been dealing with mainlanders much longer so they would have formed negative impressions of mainland China that much longer; it didn't began in the ROK until 1993 and is a recent phenomenon. Before 1993, the Hong Kongese and Taiwanese represented the "Chinese" and this impression wasn't bad at all.

That impression of Chinese(Taiwanese and Hong Kongese) was replaced by the farmer-looking Illegal Chinese immigrants walking around looking for walk, the tourists who are noisy and ill mannered, and the Chinese fishermen since then and destroyed whatever the good image the word "Chinese" had until that point.

There is complaints about Chinese fishermen fishing in Korean EEZ, I know this has been increasing in recent years, causing anxiety for Koreans.

 

[Raphael]

The anti-China feeling is aimed toward the Communist China and mainlanders. No such anti-China feeling existed prior to the Korean War, because the last direct war between the mainland forces and Korean troops was in 680 AD and 1400 years have passed since and the only interaction going on was exchange of diplomatic letters and gifts. Even after the Korean War, the hard feelings were generally forgotten until the diplomatic restoration and the interactions with mainlanders increased exponentially, and this was when Anti-China feelings began to be formalized as they found the mainlanders to be rude, uncivilized "savages" from the 19th century in terms in ethics and behavior. North Korea have been dealing with mainlanders much longer so they would have formed negative impressions of mainland China that much longer; it didn't began in the ROK until 1993 and is a recent phenomenon. Before 1993, the Hong Kongese and Taiwanese represented the "Chinese" and this impression wasn't bad at all.

That impression of Chinese(Taiwanese and Hong Kongese) was replaced by the farmer-looking Illegal Chinese immigrants walking around looking for walk, the tourists who are noisy and ill mannered, and the Chinese fishermen since then and destroyed whatever the good image the word "Chinese" had until that point.

Yes, S. Koreans love Taiwanese. In fact, they don't even mind when one falsely appropriates their identity online.

 

[fly2012]

Mao manipulated North Korea into starting the Korean War and then held up the armistice agreement for two years, to the detriment of North Korea. North Korea did not want to start the Korean War, but Mao decided it was in his interest to provoke the war so that the USA's response would threaten the Soviet interests in the area.

My goodness where did you learn this? Or you came up with this from your basement? Mao even didn't know that NK was about to attack, Henry Kissenger has a detailed story line about how China was involved in his book "On China". I don't think he is lying.

 

[longyi]

My goodness where did you learn this? Or you came up with this from your basement? Mao even didn't know that NK was about to attack, Henry Kissenger has a detailed story line about how China was involved in his book "On China". I don't think he is lying.

I was going to rebuke him but couldn't find anything to back me up. I think it's a very irresponsible statement by an opinionator if he can't back it up.

 

[LetsGetRowdy]

I was going to rebuke him but couldn't find anything to back me up. I think it's a very irresponsible statement by an opinionator if he can't back it up.

that's why he is just an opinionator and not a professional by any means.

 

[TruthSeeker]

My goodness where did you learn this? Or you came up with this from your basement? Mao even didn't know that NK was about to attack, Henry Kissenger has a detailed story line about how China was involved in his book "On China". I don't think he is lying.

The truth about Mao's manipulation of the North Koreans, as I have summarized in my post, is related in "The Unknown Story: Mao", by Jung Chang and Jon Holliday. Specifically, the story is told in Chapter 35 "Mao Milks the Korean War". Of course the PRC propagandists here at the PDF, such as fly2012 and Chinese Dragon, will say that this biography is all lies. They will have no counter analysis to disprove Chang and Holiday. They will merely attack me with an ad hominem argument that has no substance. Read this biography of Mao and consider the dense footnoting of the authors. Personally, I believe that this is not only the "unknown story", but also the true story of Mao. Mao was one of the most evil human beings to ever walk the planet. The PRC derives its entire legitimacy from his deeds.

 

[LetsGetRowdy]

Mao. Mao was one of the most evil human beings to ever walk the planet. The PRC derives its entire legitimacy from his deeds.

only evil because he kicked the western imperialist out of china. i'm sure if mao sided with the westerners to help enslave china instead, he would be held to the highest standards.



you speak with a forked tongue. i am very well aware of you, "truthseeker".