Kim Jong Il warned North Korea to stay away from China in his will

[fly2012]

What a piece of crap, how many people in inner circles can view this will, if it exists at all? And a low rank guy like Lee Yun-keol can have access to it, from a country that is sealed from the external world?

 

[S10]

Actually it is abnormal for Pakistan to like China, because every single neighbor of China hates China.

Low life South Koreans do not represent "every single neighbor". We're only good terms of Russia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Pakistan, Nepal, Burma, Laos and Malaysia.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Historically speaking, when ever Korea got into deep poo poo, China always bailed them out.
I don't understand why Korean's view China with disdain and hate, Chinese have never invaded Korea and actually helped them every time they needed it.

The ungratefulness is the best word to describe it.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Low life South Koreans do not represent "every single neighbor". We're only good terms of Russia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Pakistan, Burma, Laos.

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South Korea is not our neighbor.

 

[S10]

South Korea is not our neighbor.

Oh I stand corrected. South Korea is the place North Korea regularly poops on, which explains why some South Koreans always spill crap.

 

[Sashan]

Israel is the perfect definition of a rogue nation, but you don't call israel a rogue state, do you? So, when you say a state is rogue you basically say that you're a hypocrite.

Clarify what is rogue about Israel. Then I can have a discussion around that with you and let us open a new thread.


For NK, I will provide few points.

1. People are taken to political internment camps for trivial reasons and about 10,000 people die every year in those camps and about 5% of the population perished due to famine due to botched up govt. policies but still govt spends 25% for their military which is many times higher than your country or my country. The signs are similar to what happened in Cambodia under Polpot where about 33% population perished and no one knew it until Vietnam invaded Cambodia in 1979.

2. NK supplies/supplied weapons to terrorist organizations including LTTE

3. Illegal transfer of missile technology to various nations

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Clarify what is rogue about Israel. Then I can have a discussion around that with you and let us open a new thread.


For NK, I will provide few points.

1. People are taken to political internment camps for trivial reasons and about 10,000 people die every year in those camps and about 5% of the population perished due to famine due to botched up govt. policies but still govt spends 25% for their military which is many times higher than your country or my country. The signs are similar to what happened in Cambodia under Polpot where about 33% population perished and no one knew it until Vietnam invaded Cambodia in 1979.

2. NK supplies/supplied weapons to terrorist organizations including LTTE

3. Illegal transfer of missile technology to various nations

25% of government spending is not unusual. It's not 25% of GDP.

 

[Sashan]

25% of government spending is not unusual. It's not 25% of GDP.

It is 25% of the GDP.

 

[Korean]

too bad, Russia only share border with North Korea

That's why Russia wants North Korean regime gone and be taken over by ROK.

 

[gpit]

Kim Jong-Il wanted country to develop weapons | The Courier-Mail

N Korea is an independent sovereign country. It can do whatever it likes without submitting to any another country’s will, unlike S Korea which is an occupied country subject to US’s will and commands, and is a slave of US government.

Get it real, occupied puppet!

 

[Tshering22]

This is weird because NK has only one supporter (two by extension) i.e China (and Pakistan). NK will collapse if China stops supporting and the Little Fat Kim would topple down like a pyramid of cards.

 

[Korean]

N Korea is an independent sovereign country.

No it is not under the laws of the ROK, the US, and Japan. North Korea is nothing more than a rebel regime within ROK.

It can do whatever it likes without submitting to any another country’s will

And North Korea has done that by disregarding China's pressure.

This is weird because NK has only one supporter (two by extension) i.e China (and Pakistan). NK will collapse if China stops supporting and the Little Fat Kim would topple down like a pyramid of cards.

Kim Jong Il never trusted China as he saw Chinese as backstabbers. His real goal was to improve relations with the US and Japan and to bring in western investment without a political reform.

 

[gpit]

No it is not under the laws of the ROK, the US, and Japan. North Korea is nothing more than a rebel regime within ROK.

A typical S Korean mental-masturbation. We’ve seen too many these types of bullsh!t: S Korea is number one in the world, no, in the universe, auniverse created by S Korea.

And North Korea has done that by disregarding China's pressure.

You proved my point: NK is an sovereign independent country. Whereas S Korea can’t disregard US pressure.

Listen carefully to this to break your myopic mindset about NK: http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/News/Surveillance/vWUWKtVbUBSE.mp3

 

[kalu_miah]

I know for a fact that North Koreans, in fact all Koreans do not harbor good feelings towards Han Chinese. May be because of Tang alliance with Shilla that destroyed Baekje and Goguryeo, or the many wars they fought with them throughout history to keep themselves from getting absorbed into the Han ethnicity. Yuan Mongol and Manchu Qing do not count as Han dynasties. So Korea was a Han vassal only during Ming dynasty who some claim was of Hui descent.

Before Yuan, Manchuria was not even a part of Han China, which would cut off Korean peninsula from Han Chinese empires, except for there temporary forays in this space:
Manchuria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Manchuria was the homeland of several nomadic tribes, including the Manchu, Ulchs and Hezhen. Various ethnic groups and their respective kingdoms, including the Sushen, Donghu, Xianbei, Wuhuan, Mohe, Khitan and Jurchens have risen to power in Manchuria. At various times in this time period, Han Dynasty, Cao Wei Dynasty, Western Jin Dynasty, Tang Dynasty and some other minor kingdoms of China established control in parts of Manchuria and in some cases tributary relations with peoples in the area.[13] Various kingdoms in Korea, such as Gojoseon, Buyeo, Goguryeo and Balhae were also established in parts of this area. With the Song Dynasty to the south, the Khitan people of Western Manchuria created the Liao Empire in the region, which went on to control adjacent parts of Northern China as well.
In the early 12th century the Tungusic Jurchen people, who were Liao's tributaries, overthrew the Liao and formed the Jin Dynasty (1115–1234), which went on to control parts of Northern China and Mongolia. During the Yuan Dynasty (1271–1368),[14] Manchuria was administered under the Liaoyang province. In 1375, Nahacu, a Mongol official of the Northern Yuan in Liaoyang province invaded Liaodong, but later surrendered to the Ming Dynasty in 1387. In order to protect the northern border areas the Ming decided to "pacify" the Jurchens in order to deal with its problems with Yuan remnants along its northern border. The Ming solidified control over Manchuria under Yongle Emperor (1402–1424). Starting in the 1580s, a Jianzhou Jurchen chieftain, Nurhaci (1558–1626), started to unify Jurchen tribes of the region. Over the next several decades, the Jurchen, took control over most of Manchuria. In 1616, Nurhaci founded the Later Jin Dynasty.
In 1644, after the Ming Dynasty's capital of Beijing was sacked by the peasant rebels, the Jurchens (now called Manchus) allied with Ming general Wu Sangui and seized control of Beijing, overthrowing the short-lived Shun Dynasty and establishing Qing Dynasty rule (1644–1912) over all of China. But in 1858, a weakening Qing Empire was forced to cede Manchuria north of the Amur to Russia under the Treaty of Aigun. In 1860, at the Treaty of Peking, the Russians managed to obtain a further large slice of Manchuria, east of the Ussuri River. As a result, Manchuria was divided into a Russian half known as "Outer Manchuria", and a remaining Chinese half known as "Inner Manchuria". In modern literature, "Manchuria" usually refers to Inner (Chinese) Manchuria. As a result of the Treaties of Aigun and Peking, China lost access to the Sea of Japan.

Manchuria became a true part of Han Chinese polity only after Qing dynasty and then Manchukuo (Japanese protectorate) had fallen and Manchuria was finally open to Han Chinese immigration.

So may be the Chinese in this forum can make it clear, what were exactly the periods when Korea was a vassal of Han Chinese empire?

I am just curious about why Koreans have so strong anti Chinese and xeno-phobic feelings towards Chinese. This is not supposed to be an anti China post. I do however support Koreans in their drive for sovereignty and self determination free from any outside interference, whether that be from China, USA or Japan. And of course I do support Koreans as a potential partner for a future ASEAN+ group.

 

[INDIAN SOLDIER]

Historically speaking, when ever Korea got into deep poo poo, China always bailed them out.
I don't understand why Korean's view China with disdain and hate, Chinese have never invaded Korea and actually helped them every time they needed it.

It is the similar case. Just replace china with US and NK with pak. That is why you hate US. Isn't it?