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Kim Il Sung was a Red Army commander and was appointed by Stalin to administer NK during the Soviet occupation of NK. Kim Jong Il was born in Russia before Kim Il Sung's return to NK.


This is not true, because China has little influence over NK. NK is not a close-ally of China like Pakistan is.


Ordinary Chinese people are too busy minding their own business.

Yes, Kim Il Sung was put in place by Stalin, as was Mao. But after Stalin's death, Mao was his primary supporter and prop. How can you say that China has little influence over NK? China's support is the only thing that allows NK to exist. Your name is "Korean" but your sentiments point to your true identity being PRC.
 
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Kim Il Sung was a Red Army commander and was appointed by Stalin to administer NK during the Soviet occupation of NK. Kim Jong Il was born in Russia before Kim Il Sung's return to NK.


This is not true, because China has little influence over NK. NK is not a close-ally of China like Pakistan is.


Ordinary Chinese people are too busy minding their own business.

Said it like it is :tup:
 
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Yes, Kim Il Sung was put in place by Stalin, as was Mao. But after Stalin's death, Mao was his primary supporter and prop. How can you say that China has little influence over NK? China's support is the only thing that allows NK to exist. Your name is "Korean" but your sentiments point to your true identity being PRC.

Check his other post for the love of god, he is anything but.
 
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Unfortunately the regime will not collapse over night or anytime soon unless something is drastic is done.
People that would revolt are the starving troops(Remember that the current famine is the famine of troops, not civilians).

North Korea,unlike the middle-east is right next door to two military powers China and Russia.
Russia won't intervene because Russia is actually pro-ROK at the moment. This is why NK demanded to have Japan and Russia dropped from the six-party talk, because they felt it was really 2(NK, China) vs 4(ROK, US, Japan, and Russia) and dropping Japan and Russia would bring down the balance back to 2 vs 2.

China on the other hand cannot send in troops during an internal revolt due to the US and ROK pressures.

Neither will allow for US-Nato military interventions to pass and will most likely intervene militarily should the US and friends decides to go in like a champ.
You don't understand the dynamics of East Asia then. Russia isn't China's friend. To the contrary, the only country that Soviet planned to nuke was China, and it was Nixon's intervention that saved China from a nuclear holocaust. Yes, ordinary Chinese do not understand that the US saved China back in 1969.
 
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What "peace talks" you are pointing to here??

Go read more about last years news articles and see for yourself. Hint - North Korean shelling on Yeongyeong island.
 
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Yes, Kim Il Sung was put in place by Stalin, as was Mao. But after Stalin's death, Mao was his primary supporter and prop.
NK aligned with Soviet Union during the Soviet-China split. Recall that Kim Il Sung was a Soviet Army commander, and his managed to cleanse NK military of ex-PLA officers and troops(PLA's Manchurian division during the 30s and 40s was largely Korean) during the post-Korean war power-struggle.

How can you say that China has little influence over NK?
Because that's the truth.

China's support is the only thing that allows NK to exist.
And you think Kim Jong Il is grateful? Hell no.

Kim Jong Il's personal chef(Who was Japanese) will tell you that the only country that Kim Jong Il didn't like was China. Kim Jong Il didn't speak anything bad about the US or ROK in private according to the person who was closest to Kim Jong Il for 10 years.

I repeat, NK is no Pakistan in that there is no trust between NK and China.
 
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Of course, we don't like both NK and SK, and it would be a pleasure to sit in the back and watch you guys kill each other.
 
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Of course, we don't like both NK and SK, and it would be a pleasure to sit in the back and watch you guys kill each other.
And a couple hundred thousand Chinese troops in the process too as PLA vowed to intervene if there was another war.
 
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And a couple hundred thousand Chinese troops in the process too as PLA vowed to intervene if there was another war.

Everyone can write a blank cheque nowadays.

Now it is not the Mao era, why should we give a fck about NK?

And you guys never deserve a unification.
 
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Now it is not the Mao era, why should we give a fck about NK?
Because there is a mutual defense treaty that reads that China shall automatically intervene if NK fights a war.

Of course China has the option of not honoring that treaty and simply stay out of the war, which would be a smart thing to do.
 
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Because there is a mutual defense treaty that reads that China shall automatically intervene if NK fights a war.

Of course China has the option of not honoring that treaty and simply stay out of the war, which would be a smart thing to do.

At the worst, we would lose a buffer zone, which is not a big deal for our current military might.

But the annexation of NK will simply drag down your own economy. Just look at East/West Germany, but at least the East Germany was far richer than NK, and you are still poorer than the West Germany.
 
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At the worst, we would lose a buffer zone, which is not a big deal for our current military might.
Yes, and you might see a Kadena-scale USAF air base somewhere in the western shore of NK where hundreds of US stealth fighters and drones are stationed.

And annexing NK will simply drag down your own economy.
Not at all. ROK actually studied German unification plan extensively and came up with a plan under which they would lure away manufacturing plants currently located in China into NK to rebuild NK economy. There are many foreign-owned manufacturers in China looking to move out of China due to rising cost and trade frictions with the US and Europe, and NK would be a perfect place to move because of free trade agreements with the US and EU, and NK would enter a Chinese-style economic growth for at least 20 years.
 
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People that would revolt are the starving troops(Remember that the current famine is the famine of troops, not civilians).

Can't be too sure as they can pass the blame i.e. on the sanctions.
People in North Korea are also very patriotic, don't think they will not revolt unless there are obvious signs of mistreatments by the regime.

Russia won't intervene because Russia is actually pro-ROK at the moment. This is why NK demanded to have Japan and Russia dropped from the six-party talk, because they felt it was really 2(NK, China) vs 4(ROK, US, Japan, and Russia) and dropping Japan and Russia would bring down the balance back to 2 vs 2.

I don't think that is the case or will be for the long run. Medvedev are trying to get on the good sides with the west for political support, can't say it will be the same when Putin returns in power. Knowing his background and the historical ties between Russia and NK, things might sway to the other side again. Moreover, Russia have never trusted the west and we've witnessed events such as the bomber flying over the region where America was having drills with Japan and the endless rounds of heated debates about the European missile shields.


China on the other hand cannot send in troops during an internal revolt due to the US and ROK pressures.

It is unlikely China will allow military mishaps to happen in and around its borders. So something will definitely be done should internal revolts happen in NK. Fact that both parties (China & US) are being very calculating when approaching and trying to address issues surrounding this region means neither parties will be sending any troops. With that being said, there is no guarantee that it will not happen should one party decides to intervene militarily (Unlikely for now).


You don't understand the dynamics of East Asia then. Russia isn't China's friend. To the contrary, the only country that Soviet planned to nuke was China, and it was Nixon's intervention that saved China from a nuclear holocaust. Yes, ordinary Chinese do not understand that the US saved China back in 1969.

I never said Russia was China's friend. We are merely political allies and business partners. Both countries support eachother politically and protects our mutual interests.
To ordinary Americans it may seem like America saved China at the time, but that is not the only side of the story. The truth was, America worked hard to contain and to prevent the spread of USSR's global influence. China was an important ally to have at the time and can wedge inbetween USSR and Southern Asia. It was a win-win for China and America. On one hand it prevented the pro USSR movement spreading across the rest of Asia (taking advantage of the warm relations with Vietnam and other neighbouring countries at the time) and on the other (like you said) it prevented USSR from pressing the button.
However, that did't stop the ongoing rivalry USSR had with America. Mistrust and grudges still exists on this very day. Hence the counter vetoes, snide political remarks and missile shield talks etc.
 
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hmmmm.....Why is China not helping its ally? :azn:
When has China really 'helped' its allies? Like, when has it helped Pakistan? Not in '65, not in '71, not in Kargil, not financially when Pakistan had to run to the IMF and World bank for funds instead, not much in the way of flood relief disbursing just a fraction of the promised $200 million which has remained mostly on paper since Jul 2010.

China, Pakistan's all weather friend, has so far disbursed just $47 million in aid since Jul 2010 for flood victims. India on the other hand, considered an 'enemy' country by Pakistanis has disbursed $ 30 million! Well, so much for Pak-China friendship which Pakistan stresses is higher than the mountains and deeper than the oceans!

What it has instead given to Pakistan is billions of dollars worth of war-like equipment including missiles, aircraft and nuke reactors as a hedge against India.

The bottom line is that they aren't bothered about the people of Pakistan but using Pakistan to protect China's Southern flank against India. In international relations, there are no permanent friends, only permanent interests. The sooner the Pakistanis realize this the better!

Cheers!
 
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