Khilafah in simple words

[R2D2]

Ottoman Turkey Crest 1924
In this thread we will explore the key concepts of Khilafah in simple and easy to understand words

 

[R2D2]

Most people have misinformation or are victims of propaganda about Khilafah.

They think it is a rule of ignorant and barbarian cavemen

Infact, the opposite is true. Khilfah is the most advanced system of governance in the world. Many bewildered people will ask how and why?

1- After two world wars and countless others before them, EU has been formed
Islam formed its own collective govt over large swaths of continents thousand years ago

2- Capitalist west and communist Russia fought for about a century and reached the conclusion that a combination of socialism and capitalism is the best for of govt
This is the islamic form of govt which takes care of the poor and allows free enterprise

Additionally, it forbids interest, gambling, hoarding, drugs and drinking. (Plz. note marijuana is legal in many US states now.)

It forbids sex without marriage as it leads to breakdown of family system which leads to zulm on children and women. (Plz note over 40 percent children in USA are illegitimate many living in single parent family units)

It promotes prayers which bring the fear of god in personal lives and removes the need for cameras by govt at all nooks and corners.

So tell me which is advanced? Khilafah or western democracy based on petty nationalism!

Khilafah was established by the Sahabah and continued in various forms until 1924 when it was abolished by Mustapha Kemal in Turkey. The Ummayad, Abbasid and Ottomans distorted only the succession system. The justice system of Islam or Shariah continued to be implemented by the Qazis. So, legally Khilafah form of governance continued until 1924.

 

[Multani]

brother @r2t2 , there is a thread running with a detailed discussion on this topic. Do you seriously think it is necessary to make another one?

 

[Kompromat]

* What will the Khilafa do to our Non Muslim minorities, their religious freedom and way of life?

* How would an interest free economic system function. Please give one example.

* Who gets to be the Khalifa, a Salafi, a Sufi, a Shia, a Sunni, a Deobandi or an Ahl-Hadith?

* Would women be included in the Govt?

Please give specific answeres.

 

[R2D2]

brother @r2t2 , there is a thread running with a detailed discussion on this topic. Do you seriously think it is necessary to make another one?

which thread?

 

[R2D2]

* What will the Khilafa do to our Non Muslim minorities, their religious freedom and way of life?

* How would an interest free economic system function. Please give one example.

* Who gets to be the Khalifa, a Salafi, a Sufi, a Shia, a Sunni, a Deobandi or an Ahl-Hadith?

* Would women be included in the Govt?

Please give specific answeres.

1- The non-muslims would enjoy protection of religion and way of life including business. They will not take part in defence that is why they will pay Jiziya. However, non-muslim armies have been extensively used by Akbar the Great.The will form (Millets turkish terminology, which will look after their collective affairs)

2- The banks will not charge interest. Banks can become partners of businesses by buying Equity in new businesses or Qarz e Hasna by Govt Khazana.

3- Khalifah can be anyone of the above sects but most people will not agree to shia Caliph, resulting in infighting, so he has to be from the rest of the sects.

4- According to Taqi uddin An Nabhani, founder of Hizb ut Tahrir, there will be Parliaments and representatives will be elected to it through voting. In my view, women can become members of islamic parliament or majlis e shura

5- Khalifah will adopt Shariah rules to be implemented in his domain from the four madhabs

 

[R2D2]

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The ISIS took advantage of US plans and made its own plan within plans and declared Khilfah out of Sunni Iraq state envisaged by US planner.

 

[R2D2]

It is upto Pakistani people and army to defeat this US plan of division of Pakistan into Afghanistan, Baluchistan and rest of Pakistan comprising of Sindh & Punjab.

 

[Multani]

* What will the Khilafa do to our Non Muslim minorities, their religious freedom and way of life?

* How would an interest free economic system function. Please give one example.

* Who gets to be the Khalifa, a Salafi, a Sufi, a Shia, a Sunni, a Deobandi or an Ahl-Hadith?

* Would women be included in the Govt?

Please give specific answeres.

1) Khilafa cannot do anything to Non Muslim minorities, and their religious freedoms and way of life. Khilafa is itself governed by Shariat laws.
2) An interest free economy [ not a religious economy ] for modern times is a developing subject in Islamic scholarship and still in its infancy. An example would be Islamic Mortgage. A house mortgage is given out as a musharaka.
3) I believe when these posters post about Khilafa in Pakistan, they are talking about Khilafa from Sunni point of view
4). Yes women are included

 

[Multani]

1- The non-muslims would enjoy protection of religion and way of life including business. They will not take part in defence that is why they will pay Jiziya. However, non-muslim armies have been extensively used by Akbar the Great.The will form (Millets turkish terminology, which will look after their collective affairs)

2- The banks will not charge interest. Banks can become partners of businesses by buying Equity in new businesses or Qarz e Hasna by Govt Khazana.

3- Khalifah can be anyone of the above sects but most people will not agree to shia Caliph, resulting in infighting, so he has to be from the rest of the sects.

4- According to Taqi uddin An Nabhani, founder of Hizb ut Tahrir, there will be Parliaments and representatives will be elected to it through voting. In my view, women can become members of islamic parliament or majlis e shura

5- Khalifah will adopt Shariah rules to be implemented in his domain from the four madhabs

1) jizya is a small tax paid by non-Muslim males who are of working age and do not participate in the army
3) In Sunni Shariat, it is illegal for a Khalifa to be from any group but the Sunni; and this is the same for Shia schools of thought

 

[Dubious]

The non-muslims would enjoy protection of religion and way of life including business. They will not take part in defence that is why they will pay Jiziya. However, non-muslim armies have been extensively used by Akbar the Great.The will form (Millets turkish terminology, which will look after their collective affairs)

I beg to differ on this bit!

The only reason "many" khalifah didnt take non muslim soldiers was because of lack of trust as they will leak info as they did in some battles...or have a heart to change allegiance!

However it is not always the case...

If you have read the history of Shariah itself...it is an evolving system within the principals of Islam...hence this Jiziya is the same as modern day tax...only difference is Muslims pay zakat (which is based on your assets) while non Muslims pay Jiziya (which is fixed and doesnt change based on your assets= and they are given freedom to not do service (which at that time the Non Muslims were happy about)...Its like paying for bodyguards!



Is the Jizya Tax Oppressive?

ByBassam Zawadi

Christians have been constantly criticizing Islam's stance regarding Jizya. They say that it is meant to oppress them. Besides the fact that this concept is also found in their Bible http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Jizya I will show that Jizya is not meant to oppress the Christians or Jews.

For those who don't know, the Jizya is a tax imposed on the Christians and Jews living under the protection of the Islamic state. However, it is not imposed on all Christians and Jews. It is only imposed on the men who have attained puberty. So therefore it is not imposed on the women and children. The tax is also imposed fairly and is not meant to be overburdening.

The Jizya tax guarantees the Christians and Jews complete protection under the Islamic state. If an enemy country attacks the Islamic country, the Islamic country has a duty to defend the Christians and Jews and the Christians and Jews are not even obliged to fight!

Muslims also have to pay a yearly tax called Zakat. Zakat is even binding on property, and jewellery. Zakat should also be paid in the form of food as well. The Jizya is not binding on the property of the Christians and Jews.

Christians might use Surah 9:29 to show that Muslims must fight them until they pay the Jizya, so this shows discrimination. However, this also applies to the Muslims who do not pay their Zakat! Abu Bakr fought against the Muslims who didn't pay Zakat. So how does this discriminate against the Christians and Jews?

This is completely justified. If they go against the Islamic rule and government they deserve to be punished. What else was Abu Bakr supposed to do? In America if someone does not pay their taxes they can go to jail. Does that make America unjust? In China they kill tax evaders (A New York Times article describes the context and details of one businessman who was executed in China for tax evasion (11 Mar. 2001). at http://www.netmuslims.com/info/economic.html)

Sources Used

Saheeh Bukhari

Volume 2, Book 23, Number 475:

Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun Al-Audi:

I saw 'Umar bin Al-Khattab (when he was stabbed) saying, "O 'Abdullah bin 'Umar! Go to the mother of the believers Aisha and say, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sends his greetings to you,' and request her to allow me to be buried with my companions." (So, Ibn 'Umar conveyed the message to 'Aisha.) She said, "I had the idea of having this place for myself but today I prefer him ('Umar) to myself (and allow him to be buried there)." When 'Abdullah bin 'Umar returned, 'Umar asked him, "What (news) do you have?" He replied, "O chief of the believers! She has allowed you (to be buried there)." On that 'Umar said, "Nothing was more important to me than to be buried in that (sacred) place. So, when I expire, carry me there and pay my greetings to her ('Aisha ) and say, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab asks permission; and if she gives permission, then bury me (there) and if she does not, then take me to the grave-yard of the Muslims. I do not think any person has more right for the caliphate than those with whom Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) was always pleased till his death. And whoever is chosen by the people after me will be the caliph, and you people must listen to him and obey him," and then he mentioned the name of 'Uthman, 'Ali, Talha, Az-Zubair, 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Auf and Sad bin Abi Waqqas.

By this time a young man from Ansar came and said, "O chief of the believers! Be happy with Allah's glad tidings. The grade which you have in Islam is known to you, then you became the caliph and you ruled with justice and then you have been awarded martyrdom after all this." 'Umar replied, "O son of my brother! Would that all that privileges will counterbalance (my short comings), so that I neither lose nor gain anything. I recommend my successor to be good to the early emigrants and realize their rights and to protect their honor and sacred things. And I also recommend him to be good to the Ansar who before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith. He should accept the good of the righteous among them and should excuse their wrongdoers. I recommend him to abide by the rules and regulations concerning the Dhimmis (protectees) of Allah and His Apostle, to fulfill their contracts completely and fight for them and not to tax (overburden) them beyond their capabilities."

Also see (Volume 5, Book 57, Number 50)



Volumn 009, Book 088, Hadith Number 208.
-----------------------------------------
Narated By Hudhaifa : Allah's Apostle related to us, two prophetic narrations one of which I have seen fulfilled and I am waiting for the fulfillment of the other. The Prophet told us that the virtue of honesty descended in the roots of men's hearts (from Allah) and then they learned it from the Qur'an and then they learned it from the Sunna (the Prophet's traditions). The Prophet further told us how that honesty will be taken away: He said: "Man will go to sleep during which honesty will be taken away from his heart and only its trace will remain in his heart like the trace of a dark spot; then man will go to sleep, during which honesty will decrease further still, so that its trace will resemble the trace of blister as when an ember is dropped on one's foot which would make it swell, and one would see it swollen but there would be nothing inside. People would be carrying out their trade but hardly will there be a trustworthy person. It will be said, 'in such-and-such tribe there is an honest man,' and later it will be said about some man, 'What a wise, polite and strong man he is!' Though he will not have faith equal even to a mustard seed in his heart." No doubt, there came upon me a time when I did not mind dealing (bargaining) with anyone of you, for if he was a Muslim his Islam would compel him to pay me what is due to me, and if he was a Christian, the Muslim official would compel him to pay me what is due to me, but today I do not deal except with such-and-such person.



Saheeh Muslim

Book 001, Hadith Number 0029.
------------------------------
Chapter : Command for fighting against the people so long as they do not profess that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger.

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) breathed his last and Abu Bakr was appointed as his successor (Caliph), those amongst the Arabs who wanted to become apostates became apostates. 'Umar b. Khattab said to Abu Bakr: Why would you fight against the people, when the Messenger of Allah declared: I have been directed to fight against people so long as they do not say: There is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was granted full protection of his property and life on my behalf except for a right? His (other) affairs rest with Allah. Upon this Abu Bakr said: By Allah, I would definitely fight against him who severed prayer from Zakat, for it is the obligation upon the rich. By Allah, I would fight against them even to secure the cord (used for hobbling the feet of a camel) which they used to give to the Messenger of Allah (as Zakat) but now they have withheld it.Umar b. Khattab remarked: By Allah, I found nothing but the fact that Allah had opened the heart of Abu Bakr for (perceiving the justification of) fighting (against those who refused to pay Zakat) and I fully recognized that the (stand of Abu Bakr) was right.



Malik Muwatta

Book 17, Number 17.24.46:

Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz wrote to his governors telling them to relieve any people who payed the jizya from paying the jizya if they became muslims.

Malik said, "The sunna is that there is no jizya due from women or children of people of the Book, and that jizya is only taken from men who have reached puberty. The people of dhimma and the magians do not have to pay any zakat on their palms or their vines or their crops or their livestock. This is because zakat is imposed on the muslims to purify them and to be given back to their poor, whereas jizya is imposed on the people of the Book to humble them. As long as they are in the country they have agreed to live in, they do not have to pay anything on their property except the jizya. If, however, they trade in muslim countries, coming and going in them, a tenth is taken from what they invest in such trade. This is because jizya is only imposed on them on conditions, which they have agreed on, namely that they will remain in their own countries, and that war will be waged for them on any enemy of theirs, and that if they then leave that land to go anywhere else to do business they will haveto pay a tenth. Whoever among them does business with the people of Egypt, and then goes to Syria, and then does business with the people of Syria and then goes to Iraq and does business with them and then goes on to Madina, or Yemen, or other similar places, has to pay a tenth.

People of the Book and magians do not have to pay any zakat on any of their property, livestock, produce or crops. The sunna still continues like that. They remain in the deen they were in, and they continue to do what they used to do. If in any one year they frequently come and go in muslim countries then they have to pay a tenth every time they do so, since that is outside what they have agreed upon, and not one of the conditions stipulated for them. This is what I have seen the people of knowledge of our city doing."

​

In Sunni Shariat, it is illegal for a Khalifa to be from any group but the Sunni; and this is the same for Shia schools of thought

I am not soo sure...Plus there shouldnt be this Sunni and Shia concepts!

 

[Kompromat]

1- The non-muslims would enjoy protection of religion and way of life including business. They will not take part in defence that is why they will pay Jiziya. However, non-muslim armies have been extensively used by Akbar the Great.The will form (Millets turkish terminology, which will look after their collective affairs)

Sounds like apartheid.

2- The banks will not charge interest. Banks can become partners of businesses by buying Equity in new businesses or Qarz e Hasna by Govt Khazana.

How will the business pay back the banks and how would banks make a 'profit' since the profit is not haram?

3- Khalifah can be anyone of the above sects but most people will not agree to shia Caliph, resulting in infighting, so he has to be from the rest of the sects.

So 20% of Pakistan's population would not be represented, alienated, possibally declared Murtid and persecuted leading to an Iraq like situation (reverse the sect in this case), wouldn't that create the 'infighting' you are so scared about by having a Shia Caliph ?

4- According to Taqi uddin An Nabhani, founder of Hizb ut Tahrir, there will be Parliaments and representatives will be elected to it through voting. In my view, women can become members of islamic parliament or majlis e shura

HuT is a terrorist organization, its the Muslim version of Vishwa Hindu Parishad.
So is your Khilafa going to allow women heads of state or they will live as 3rd class citizens?

5- Khalifah will adopt Shariah rules to be implemented in his domain from the four madhabs

Would it include public executions, amputations, chopping heads off, charging extra taxes to non Muslims ?

The way your Khilafa sounds to me is as if though you want to divide the society from being equal to a segregated class system that is entrenched in your religious belief. We have seen this system already, its called the Hindu Caste System.

The way i read it is that your system is going to create a class as follows.

1st grade Citizens | Wahabi/Salafi/Deobandi Muslims, fresh out of a Jamia Banoria running all affairs, just like Brahmins.
2nd grade Citizens | Sunnis, Baravelis and other Sufi derivation who otherwise are in a majority.
3rd grade Citizens | Sunni women
4th grade Citizens | Shias, Ismailis, Bohras and other denominations.
5th grade Citizens | Non Muslims, like the Christians, Sikhs, Hindus etc

The way it sounds to me is that your Khilafa is going to take us back to the Hindu Caste System which made us reject Hinduism to begin with to adopt Islam as it promised 'Musawat' (Equality) rather than 5 or even more classes of citizens your system is going to bring.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM | @Hyperion | @Armstrong FYI

 

[EasyNow]

2- The banks will not charge interest. Banks can become partners of businesses by buying Equity in new businesses or Qarz e Hasna by Govt Khazana.

If banks become partners in a business, will they bare the brunt of losses as well as profits? If not then it is not a partnership is it?

HT were all over London in my uni days but are now a bit of a laughing stock within religious circles for their amateurish ideas.

 

[R2D2]

1- Its not aparthied. Its a safety measure to ensure a strong army
2- Banks will become partners in business and take share in profit and also bear the loss
3- Shias are a muslim sect and for the 1400 years they have been a muslim sect. They will be represented in the Majlis e Shura.
4- HUT is not a terrorist organization. Name one such act committed by them. Although I don't agree with many of their thoughts but they are peaceful.
5-
a-Islamic society is a classless society. Deobandi, barelive, sunni, sufi is one thing called Hanafi. Its just some believe in Jihad and some do not. Wahabis believe in pure Islam and monotheism. These are all minor differences which the west seeks to magnify.
b- Women are given protection in an islamic society. As I said they can become member of Majlis i Shura but not Khalifa.
c- Islam has its own punishment system. Electric chair, the gallows, poison injection or chopping off the head all result in fast death.

 

[Socrates]

I beg to differ on this bit!

The only reason "many" khalifah didnt take non muslim soldiers was because of lack of trust as they will leak info as they did in some battles...or have a heart to change allegiance!

However it is not always the case...

If you have read the history of Shariah itself...it is an evolving system within the principals of Islam...hence this Jiziya is the same as modern day tax...only difference is Muslims pay zakat (which is based on your assets) while non Muslims pay Jiziya (which is fixed and doesnt change based on your assets= and they are given freedom to not do service (which at that time the Non Muslims were happy about)...Its like paying for bodyguards!



Is the Jizya Tax Oppressive?

ByBassam Zawadi

Christians have been constantly criticizing Islam's stance regarding Jizya. They say that it is meant to oppress them. Besides the fact that this concept is also found in their Bible http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Jizya I will show that Jizya is not meant to oppress the Christians or Jews.

For those who don't know, the Jizya is a tax imposed on the Christians and Jews living under the protection of the Islamic state. However, it is not imposed on all Christians and Jews. It is only imposed on the men who have attained puberty. So therefore it is not imposed on the women and children. The tax is also imposed fairly and is not meant to be overburdening.

The Jizya tax guarantees the Christians and Jews complete protection under the Islamic state. If an enemy country attacks the Islamic country, the Islamic country has a duty to defend the Christians and Jews and the Christians and Jews are not even obliged to fight!

Muslims also have to pay a yearly tax called Zakat. Zakat is even binding on property, and jewellery. Zakat should also be paid in the form of food as well. The Jizya is not binding on the property of the Christians and Jews.

Christians might use Surah 9:29 to show that Muslims must fight them until they pay the Jizya, so this shows discrimination. However, this also applies to the Muslims who do not pay their Zakat! Abu Bakr fought against the Muslims who didn't pay Zakat. So how does this discriminate against the Christians and Jews?

This is completely justified. If they go against the Islamic rule and government they deserve to be punished. What else was Abu Bakr supposed to do? In America if someone does not pay their taxes they can go to jail. Does that make America unjust? In China they kill tax evaders (A New York Times article describes the context and details of one businessman who was executed in China for tax evasion (11 Mar. 2001). at http://www.netmuslims.com/info/economic.html)

Sources Used

Saheeh Bukhari

Volume 2, Book 23, Number 475:

Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun Al-Audi:

I saw 'Umar bin Al-Khattab (when he was stabbed) saying, "O 'Abdullah bin 'Umar! Go to the mother of the believers Aisha and say, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sends his greetings to you,' and request her to allow me to be buried with my companions." (So, Ibn 'Umar conveyed the message to 'Aisha.) She said, "I had the idea of having this place for myself but today I prefer him ('Umar) to myself (and allow him to be buried there)." When 'Abdullah bin 'Umar returned, 'Umar asked him, "What (news) do you have?" He replied, "O chief of the believers! She has allowed you (to be buried there)." On that 'Umar said, "Nothing was more important to me than to be buried in that (sacred) place. So, when I expire, carry me there and pay my greetings to her ('Aisha ) and say, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab asks permission; and if she gives permission, then bury me (there) and if she does not, then take me to the grave-yard of the Muslims. I do not think any person has more right for the caliphate than those with whom Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) was always pleased till his death. And whoever is chosen by the people after me will be the caliph, and you people must listen to him and obey him," and then he mentioned the name of 'Uthman, 'Ali, Talha, Az-Zubair, 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Auf and Sad bin Abi Waqqas.

By this time a young man from Ansar came and said, "O chief of the believers! Be happy with Allah's glad tidings. The grade which you have in Islam is known to you, then you became the caliph and you ruled with justice and then you have been awarded martyrdom after all this." 'Umar replied, "O son of my brother! Would that all that privileges will counterbalance (my short comings), so that I neither lose nor gain anything. I recommend my successor to be good to the early emigrants and realize their rights and to protect their honor and sacred things. And I also recommend him to be good to the Ansar who before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith. He should accept the good of the righteous among them and should excuse their wrongdoers. I recommend him to abide by the rules and regulations concerning the Dhimmis (protectees) of Allah and His Apostle, to fulfill their contracts completely and fight for them and not to tax (overburden) them beyond their capabilities."

Also see (Volume 5, Book 57, Number 50)



Volumn 009, Book 088, Hadith Number 208.
-----------------------------------------
Narated By Hudhaifa : Allah's Apostle related to us, two prophetic narrations one of which I have seen fulfilled and I am waiting for the fulfillment of the other. The Prophet told us that the virtue of honesty descended in the roots of men's hearts (from Allah) and then they learned it from the Qur'an and then they learned it from the Sunna (the Prophet's traditions). The Prophet further told us how that honesty will be taken away: He said: "Man will go to sleep during which honesty will be taken away from his heart and only its trace will remain in his heart like the trace of a dark spot; then man will go to sleep, during which honesty will decrease further still, so that its trace will resemble the trace of blister as when an ember is dropped on one's foot which would make it swell, and one would see it swollen but there would be nothing inside. People would be carrying out their trade but hardly will there be a trustworthy person. It will be said, 'in such-and-such tribe there is an honest man,' and later it will be said about some man, 'What a wise, polite and strong man he is!' Though he will not have faith equal even to a mustard seed in his heart." No doubt, there came upon me a time when I did not mind dealing (bargaining) with anyone of you, for if he was a Muslim his Islam would compel him to pay me what is due to me, and if he was a Christian, the Muslim official would compel him to pay me what is due to me, but today I do not deal except with such-and-such person.



Saheeh Muslim

Book 001, Hadith Number 0029.
------------------------------
Chapter : Command for fighting against the people so long as they do not profess that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger.

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) breathed his last and Abu Bakr was appointed as his successor (Caliph), those amongst the Arabs who wanted to become apostates became apostates. 'Umar b. Khattab said to Abu Bakr: Why would you fight against the people, when the Messenger of Allah declared: I have been directed to fight against people so long as they do not say: There is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was granted full protection of his property and life on my behalf except for a right? His (other) affairs rest with Allah. Upon this Abu Bakr said: By Allah, I would definitely fight against him who severed prayer from Zakat, for it is the obligation upon the rich. By Allah, I would fight against them even to secure the cord (used for hobbling the feet of a camel) which they used to give to the Messenger of Allah (as Zakat) but now they have withheld it.Umar b. Khattab remarked: By Allah, I found nothing but the fact that Allah had opened the heart of Abu Bakr for (perceiving the justification of) fighting (against those who refused to pay Zakat) and I fully recognized that the (stand of Abu Bakr) was right.



Malik Muwatta

Book 17, Number 17.24.46:

Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz wrote to his governors telling them to relieve any people who payed the jizya from paying the jizya if they became muslims.

Malik said, "The sunna is that there is no jizya due from women or children of people of the Book, and that jizya is only taken from men who have reached puberty. The people of dhimma and the magians do not have to pay any zakat on their palms or their vines or their crops or their livestock. This is because zakat is imposed on the muslims to purify them and to be given back to their poor, whereas jizya is imposed on the people of the Book to humble them. As long as they are in the country they have agreed to live in, they do not have to pay anything on their property except the jizya. If, however, they trade in muslim countries, coming and going in them, a tenth is taken from what they invest in such trade. This is because jizya is only imposed on them on conditions, which they have agreed on, namely that they will remain in their own countries, and that war will be waged for them on any enemy of theirs, and that if they then leave that land to go anywhere else to do business they will haveto pay a tenth. Whoever among them does business with the people of Egypt, and then goes to Syria, and then does business with the people of Syria and then goes to Iraq and does business with them and then goes on to Madina, or Yemen, or other similar places, has to pay a tenth.

People of the Book and magians do not have to pay any zakat on any of their property, livestock, produce or crops. The sunna still continues like that. They remain in the deen they were in, and they continue to do what they used to do. If in any one year they frequently come and go in muslim countries then they have to pay a tenth every time they do so, since that is outside what they have agreed upon, and not one of the conditions stipulated for them. This is what I have seen the people of knowledge of our city doing."

​

I am not soo sure...Plus there shouldnt be this Sunni and Shia concepts!

By that logic is allright to impose "Jizya Type" taxes to muslims living in Non-Muslim Countries. Would you stand by that?