Khatam-i-Nabuwat: Convert or face consequences, Ahmadis told

[Jaanbaz]

According to underlined I am not a Muslim according to your belief, otherwise I would not have been preached by one of your youth to convert to Qadiyaniat (remember @Jaanbaz you too never replied to my set of questions on some thread) the thing is easy to claim victimhood but it is hard to accept your responsibility and your fault at being part of the problem.

Ahmadis are a problem? Okay. I have been advising Ahmadis to immigrate out of Pakistan. They should save up their life saving and flee Pakistan. Hopefully that will make you happy. You will never see ''Qadianis'' face ever again. Don't expect me to have any sympathies for Pakistan when it finally gets its self declared as a rogue and banana state.

 

[Bratva]

And Thousands of Sufis including some Khalifas of some saints accepted him and joined Jamat e Ahmadiyya. Don't use childish logic here. Ahle Hadith Mullahs still respected my grandfather and said he was a saintly man even when he joined the Jam'at. Will that make us Muslims now in your eyes?

Do share which Notable Sufi became Ahmedi. I can give example of dozens of top level Walliullahs of Pakistan who belong to Major sufi branches, who rejected Ahmediya beliefs and yet their connection with Nabi Pak (SAW) never swerved

And let's wait for after life, shall we? InshAllah all velis of truth would be lifted and we will know the absolute truth.

Rejoicing on who's death? Where?

Now answer my question, when your Imam Mahdi comes and someone rejects him will they remain a Muslim? Don't change topic and for once a question too.

When Imam mahdi comes, By the will of Allah who will bestowed spiritual powers to him, earth will be filled with peace and that would be his sign of being Mahdi and who ever rejects him after clear signs are established , then we will not consider him muslim.

 

[Jaanbaz]

yes i know where you are.
You got your asylum application approved on this propaganda and towing the western propaganda line to appease your masters. Plenty of your kind do this so i am not surprised.

My master is Allah. Your master is gun and terrorism.

 

[Gufi]

@T-Faz This thread needs to be cleaned sir

and locked also it serves no purpose

@TaimiKhan

@Jango

 

[I.R.A]

Ahmadis are a problem? Okay. I have been advising Ahmadis to immigrate out of Pakistan. They should save up their life saving and flee Pakistan. Hopefully that will make you happy. You will never see ''Qadianis'' face ever again. Don't expect me to have any sympathies for Pakistan when it finally gets its self declared as a rogue and banana state.

Acting like a child and focusing on half of my reply is not going to change anything or would it? If for you Sunnis or Pakistanis are a problem then for me Qadiyanis are equally a part of problem. They play with the fire and then blame others. Rest of the Muslims declare you Non-Muslims openly and you imply that rest are Non-Muslims, what is the difference? Both are doing the same.

I have no problem with anyone except hypocrisy, and I never expected any support from you for Pakistan

Rejoicing on who's death? Where?

Watch the video yourself somewhere in 1989 I think, I cannot give you the link for the time being (youtube) and don't exactly recall its label.

Now answer my question, when your Imam Mahdi comes and someone rejects him will they remain a Muslim? Don't change topic and for once a question too.

I have met relative of one other who had declared himself as Imam Mahdi whom I did not accept, your Jamaat is not alone

When Imam Mahdi will come the world will have already been divided into two clear groups believers and followers (of dajjal), so we won't have to worry about your question at that time. And for me till that time comes I would say pardon me if I don't accept any family business of Mahdiship till then.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

I'm an idiot because my brain refuses to accept that a human being has been living in the sky for 2000 thousand years without food or water? Okay, Let me remain an idiot. I don't want to suspend common sense for a belief like that.

Um, no offence buddy, but that is exactly what is written in Quran.

 

[terry5]

I'm an idiot because my brain refuses to accept that a human being has been living in the sky for 2000 thousand years without food or water? Okay, Let me remain an idiot. I don't want to suspend common sense for a belief like that.[/QUOTE

So ............

Sahih International
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

Sahih International
Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.

My master is Allah. Your master is gun and terrorism.

your master is the British

 

[Kesang]

There are many many sects of christianity but I don't see many catholics killing protestants for calling themself Christian. Why so intolerance?

 

[KingMamba]

I'm an idiot because my brain refuses to accept that a human being has been living in the sky for 2000 thousand years without food or water? Okay, Let me remain an idiot. I don't want to suspend common sense for a belief like that.

So you consider Jesus PBUH a Jewish and not Muslim prophet and God does not have enough power to preserve Jesus in Heaven, but had enough power to reincarnate him into Ghulam Ahmed Qadian? Not to mention Jesus is buried in Kashmir, a claim that all local Kashmiris and even non Muslim scholars say is false. Yes you are an idiot, as for common sense if you believe in God then you believe in his essence in entirety. A part of his essence is being all powerful, if God can set the creation of the universe into motion then he can surely prolong the life of one man in heaven. If this does not agree with your "common sense" then perhaps you need to drop religion in its entirety.

tell that to sarkari muslims. They can't sit for two minutes without feeling the need to ram their religion down someones throat.



"And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, (all) Messengers have passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will you turn your back on your heels?" (3:145)

"The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely Messengers like unto him had indeed passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food."

If someone can shed more light on these verses then I may entertain your thoughts.

@Legionaire

There is no contradiction in my belief, that's with you where on hand you say no prophets can come but say Syedna Isa (as) will return. Anyway, what do you say about the above verses?

@Spring Onion
Syedna Isa (as) was a prophet. He's dead like all other prophets. The Qur'an says in the verse I quoted, I believe what the Qur'an says over anything else.

First of all wrong verse, second of all wrong translation

Surat 'Ali `Imran [3:144] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
Sahih International
Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful.
Muhsin Khan
Muhammad (SAW) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful.
Pickthall
Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on his heels doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.
Yusuf Ali
Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many Were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.
Dr. Ghali
And in no way is Muhammad (anything) except a Messenger; the Messengers have already passed away before him. Then, will it be that, in case he dies or is killed, will you turn (Literally: turn (s) over on) on your heels? And whoever turns (Literally: turn (s) over on) on his heels, then he will never harm Allah in anything; and Allah will recompense the thankful.

As you can see there are 6 translators here and not any add the word ALL. In fact I am willing to bet Ahmadi translators are the only ones who add the word all in that verse. Also if you read the tafsir of this passage it has zero to do with Jesus PBUH as it came during a battle in which Prophet Muhammad PBUH was thought killed.

 

[Mike_Brando]

There are many many sects of christianity but I don't see many catholics killing protestants for calling themself Christian. Why so intolerance?

Buddy,Christians have had a series of bloody sectarian wars in the 16th and in the early 17th century.I would advise you to read about the Thirty Years War which engulfed nearly the entire western Europe and caused millions of casualties on both sides.Christians,both Catholics and Protestants were at each other's throat for a considerable period of time.It's funny that the same Europeans criticize our Dharma because of the rigid caste based discrimination even though the truth is that our sects have never been involved in any bloody sectarian war.Still if we have committed crimes against humanity(because of the centuries old caste based discrimination) then they are also guilty of killing millions of their co-religionists in the name of Christianity.

 

[KingMamba]

And Thousands of Sufis including some Khalifas of some saints accepted him and joined Jamat e Ahmadiyya. Don't use childish logic here. Ahle Hadith Mullahs still respected my grandfather and said he was a saintly man even when he joined the Jam'at. Will that make us Muslims now in your eyes?

That is BS most sufis were against him and remained against him, in fact even today Sufis consider Ahmadis non Muslim and all agreed with the decision to declare them non-Muslim in Pakistan.

Ha, even Indian understood something so basic that the sarkari muslims have a hard time understanding.

Sarkari Muslims meaning all billion plus Muslims besides the 15million or so Ahmadis in the world lol?

There are many many sects of christianity but I don't see many catholics killing protestants for calling themself Christian. Why so intolerance?

First of all Catholics accept protestants as within the Christian fold. We should not kill them but they are not a sect. They are to Islam as Mormons are to Christianity. As for the mormons they engages in many wars within the US itself when they first came about but eventually things settled down. Same will happen with Ahmadis. Even today no sect of Christianity considers mormons as Christian. They instead disassociate with them, that is what Muslims should do.

 

[Mutakalim]

EDIT: Stupid mullah, Ahmadis don't need to infiltrate the army and police to take action against you animals. We are enough on our own, we just follow the true teachings of Islam and not react violently to you apes.

Majority of Pakistani Muslims think otherwise. Its evident from laws against you.

We made Pakistan. Pakistan is ours, not you terrorists.

Yeah you made pakistan and after that declare yourself non muslim. Great logic

so you qadianis/ahemdis also do not believe in Jesus ? you are rejecting Quran ? if so then why you insist on calling yourself Muslims?

They are accepting science. They are seeing Islam with the lens of science and logic. Logic and human mind can only go so far. That’s why they are non Muslims.

 

[Legionaire]

Okay one question to our Ahmmadi friends, how is Ghulam a messenger? He is not a prophet since he did not bring a book/ holy scripture and Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet. All the messengers like Nuh and Yusuf (pbut) were there to reinstate the word of Allah to the pagans, Ghulam so called "reinstated" God's word to the Muslims who were already following the teachings of the prophet, the Quran. We (they) accepted there was one god so we were not pagans. Explain

 

[Mutakalim]

The arrival of Mahdi/Jesus is tied to an era of peace and complete unity among muslims. Why didn't era of peace started with Mirza ghulam and unity among muslims occurred. Ask any Qadiyaani this question. Either they become speechless or they will do Aye baye shaye.

Peer Meher Shah sahab had great debates with Mirzaa ghulam ahmad. One should read such debates to see the hypocrisy of mirza ghulam ahmed beliefs

Read his post 24.
Now what arrival of Imam Mahdi or Eesa A.s has to do with the step wise declaration of mirzas prophet hood? They just don’t come to real issue which is Prophet hood of mirza. Ask them a simple question " What is the status of mirza in their religion, is he Mujadid, mahdi , prophet” ?

اور مزے کی بات سنو پاکستانی کہلوانا پسند کرتے ہیں فخر سے
دیوبندی - انڈیا کے ایک شہر کے نام پر
وہابی -نجد کے ایک نئے فرقے کی بنیاد رکھنے والے کے نام پے
قادیانی - انڈیا کے ایک شہر میں نئے بننے والے مذہب کی بنیاد پر
اہل حدیث - اب بھلا کوئی حدیث میں بھی رہا ؟
اہل سنت - یہ لوگ سنتوں میں رہتے ہیں
سنی اور شعیہ کا لفظ قرآن حدیث نازل ہوتے وقت تھا نا نبی پاک کے دور مین کسی نے استمال کیا تھا
بریلوی - انڈیا کا ایک شہر رائے بریلی سے ماخؤز

ارے بھائی مسلمان کدھر ہیں اس ملک کے ؟

اور یہ ختم نبوت کیا ہے پاکستان انڈیا سے باہر اس کا تذکرہ سننے کو نہیں ملتا بھائی ؟ عربی میں ختم مہر کو کہتے ہیں ہر مذہب کے لوگ اپنے مذہب کو آخری اور سچا سمجھتے ہیں پر پاکستانی مولویوں نے تو اس معاملے کو روزی روتی بنا ڈالا مستقل ہی

You need a lesson of islamic history. Dont comment on things which you have no idea.

There are Walli-Ullahs and Sufis in Pakistan. who read 50-100 K darood each day. Prophet Mohammad PBUH visit them in their dreams and instruct them to do tasks about serving humanity. All those sufis completely reject mirza ghulam ahmad and consider him a heretic. There goes out your theory Mirza ghulam ahmad was sent by GOD. Not a single Sufi and Walli-ullah connection with Allah and His Nabi (SAW) cease to exist after supposed Mirza ghulam ahmed declaration that whoever rejects me will be rejected by GOD. What does that tell you ?

There are People like Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani, Junaid baghdadi, Sari Asakti, Moeen ud din chisti, people like their stature they even don’t call themselves mahdi and there come mirza who is self declared mujadid, mahdi , maseh , Nabi , Rasool blah blah blah. This is no exaggeration these all claims are present in his books.

And Thousands of Sufis including some Khalifas of some saints accepted him and joined Jamat e Ahmadiyya. Don't use childish logic here. Ahle Hadith Mullahs still respected my grandfather and said he was a saintly man even when he joined the Jam'at. Will that make us Muslims now in your eyes?

name these sufis.

 

[Metanoia]

Man....watching religious folks get all riled up and "engaging in debate" is one of the most entertaining thing ever !! Haha