'Keep out!': China sent 6 warnings to a US Navy plane, but the US didn't back down

[sinait]

Yeah...It is called 'extortion'. You pay me so I do not beat you up.

The conquest and maintenance of lands outside one's borders are not easy. Defeating that army is one thing, but continued suppression of resentment, pacification, mollification, deals making, trade, etc, are different, as the US found out in our recent military adventures. This is even more problematic if bodies of water are involved. Conquests of BORDERING lands are actually easier than conquests of lands protected by bodies of water. The serious study of the technical aspects of military affairs are scant when it comes to the Chinese and their supporters in this forum.

Man -- as a species -- evolved to be land based. Ninety nine percent of what we invented and do are for land based activities. So when we encounter a body of water, naturally we hesitate. We have to invent new ways to survive in the water. As an interesting aside, in special operations training, the first and best test to eliminate candidates is water survival. For the US military, there are very few blacks in the special operations community, specifically the SEAL teams. Most American blacks are urbanites or city dwellers so they do not have much experience with water outside the community swimming pool.

Take everything that make up a special operations soldier, then scale those factors up to the national level.

Overseas expeditions are enormous undertakings, especially when when the word is literal and not figurative -- involve an ocean or a sea. To commit to a conquest of a land that is geographically protected by water means the military must first be mobile in doctrines, willing to be expendable, willing to be stationed for extended duration away from home, willing to live natively as in 'off the land' if necessary, innovative, and independent while away but submissive to orders from home when summoned. The people inside this military must also be extraordinary, not in the sense that individuals are geniuses but in the sense that they are disciplined, trained higher than the standards exhibited by other militaries, better equipped, and philosophically and morally motivated towards what they do. In other words, an expeditionary military is the best type of military that can be created.

In military history, this type of military is actually rare and even rarer are the ones that can cross water and achieve its goals. The Romans and the Brits are examples of this extraordinary type of military. Today we have the US military. China is a majority land power, not a maritime power. The Chinese navies in history have been used mainly to support land based objectives on home soil, not in overseas ventures. The history of the expansion of the various Chinese empires have been land based.

So if China in history have not taken overseas territories is because that historical China was not able to do so. For those island countries that were extorted, they paid because it is less expensive than to be repeatedly fighting off Chinese invaders. They probably did not believed that the Chinese military was not capable of sustaining an overseas territory. Often, an implied threat is just as good as an explicit one. So they paid the extortion. There is NEVER any respect by the victim when being extorted, unless the interpretation is 'fear' and not 'respect' in the true sense of respect.

https://www.gokunming.com/en/blog/item/232/zheng_he_ancient_chinas_greatest_diplomat
While Zheng He became little more than a footnote in most Chinese histories, his legacy in Southeast Asia is far different. His memory was not only preserved, it was worshiped.

Before employing force to pacify the island(Sri Lanka), Zheng He attempted to reach out to the various religious traditions represented on the island. He erected a monument with inscriptions in Chinese, Persian, and Tamil praising - in equal measure - Buddha, Allah, and Vishnu. Meticulously, each deity was offered identical quantities of precious metals, embroidered silk, and other goodies. Despite the warm symbolism of the stone tablet, warring factions continued to make trade impossible on the island. It failed ultimately to inspire the peace and stability for which Zheng He had hoped. Despite the failure, the surviving tablet remains one of the few places in Sri Lanka where the island's three major faiths can be found in the same place.

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post...-boats-china-philippine-fleet-retraces-sultan
The passage to China aims to commemorate the 1417 voyage of the Sultan of Sulu, whose name was Paduka Batara (or Paduka Pahala, according to other sources) and who set sail from the southern Philippines to pay tribute to the Yongle emperor of the Ming dynasty, in Beijing. Two other Muslim leaders accompanied the sultan, as did 340 members of their official delegation, including Batara’s two wives and three sons.

According to Ming annals, the party was warmly welcomed by the Chinese court, offered full royal honours and showered with priceless gifts. As Valdez likes to point out, his nation was a major maritime power with close links to China more than a century before Portuguese explorer Ferdinand Magellan was said to have “discovered” the Philippines, in 1521.

The visit of the Sultan is a perfect time to reestablish good trading relations with the Chinese. In exchange for silk, porcelain, and exquisite products from the Chinese, the Sulu Sultanate gave extravagant tribute of spices, pearls, and other exotic tropical products.

I know, the US like to trade war and death to nations that defy them.
Don't use your vulgar and depraved ways of the US to describe what the powerful ancient Chinese did.
As examples above show, China used diplomacy to pacify warring factions in Sri Lanka.
Only after diplomacy failed did the Chinese used their powerful navy to enforce peace on the island.
Tributes from South East Asia were actually peaceful trade where they took silk, porcelain and others in exchange for the tributes they brought.
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[gambit]

I know, the US like to trade war and death to nations that defy them.
Don't use your vulgar and depraved ways of the US to describe what the powerful ancient Chinese did.
As examples above show, China used diplomacy to pacify warring factions in Sri Lanka.
Only after diplomacy failed did the Chinese used their powerful navy to enforce peace on the island.
Tributes from South East Asia were actually peaceful trade where they took silk, porcelain and others in exchange for the tributes they brought.
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Ancient is correct. To TRY to make good the image of modern day China, you had to reach back a few hundred yrs?

You do not want US to spin US history? Then do not do the same for China. You want Singapore to be submissive towards China TODAY, be man enough to say so instead of spinning history.

 

[hoangsa74]

Singapore is becoming the turkey of southeast asia, I don't even understand why the U.S is giving them the f-35. they are becoming rogue every day as I observe their attitude on pdf. if they enjoy being submissive to china that bad, let the Malaysian muslim rape them like the Indonesian muslim rape those ethnic chinese for sports in 1998 and see if their supa powa china navy will travel to their rescue or not.

 

[sinait]

Ancient is correct. To TRY to make good the image of modern day China, you had to reach back a few hundred yrs?

You do not want US to spin US history? Then do not do the same for China. You want Singapore to be submissive towards China TODAY, be man enough to say so instead of spinning history.

You are really silly, my posts don't represent the position of Singapore.
In fact many take me for a Chinese and I had never ever posted a denial.

Singapore is a Tiny Nation.
We prefer to have a balance of powers in our neighborhood.
We are pro US due to the protection and trade that benefited us.
I have said many times, we are grateful for that.

China want us to be more balanced or downright tilt towards China due to Singapore being predominantly ethnic Chinese and have also benefited greatly from trade with China.
We cannot do that for China and therefore they are pissed off with us.
I don't think I could ever reach an iota of your expertise in the standards of SPINNING.
We definitely are not submissive to China.
But we need to know when not to speak out.
As a Tiny Nation we must always tread carefully.

https://thediplomat.com/2016/12/lee-kuan-yews-legacy-for-china-singapore-relations/
The ceremony took place 14 years after former Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew's first visit to China in 1976.
With its majority Chinese population, Singapore had to be sensitive to the perception of its neighbours.
To avoid being labelled a "third China", Singapore wanted to be the last of the original five Asean nations to normalise diplomatic relations with China. Malaysia was the first to do so in 1974, and Philippines and Thailand followed in 1975.

(We need to avoid antagonizing any of our neighbors.)

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/poli...te-should-singapore-hide-when-elephants-fight

As a small state, should Singapore hide when ‘elephants’ fight?
Kishore Mahbubani suggested Doha’s troubles show that “small states must always behave like small states”.

We are subjected to a lot of Anti China rhetoric in our local media, including from non-Chinese Ministers.
https://blogs.ntu.edu.sg/paralimes/2018/03/26/bilahari-smallcountries/
Bilahari Kausikan(big mouth Anti China ethnic Malay) : Why Small Countries Should Not Behave Like a Small Country.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...acks-bilahari-s-brilliant-response-to-8997092
(ethnic Indian former Foreign Minister)
Minister Shanmugam backs Bilahari's 'brilliant' response to Kishore's article on small states

You talk about tributes being "extortion", and I showed you its otherwise.
What's wrong with that ?
The only spinning is in your empty head pretending to be expert in IT and now HISTORY.
So which country is being bullied and devastated with bombs and Agent Orange from China at present.
You said ancient China was not able to project force, and I showed you how Admiral Zheng Ho used their powerful forces to achieve peace instead of war in Sri Lanka.
Yes, you are right, China had been contributing to peace in the region since many hundreds of years ago.
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[gambit]

China want us to be more balanced or downright tilt towards China due to Singapore being predominantly ethnic Chinese and have also benefited greatly from trade with China.
We cannot do that for China and therefore they are pissed off with us.

Why is China 'pissed' at tiny Singapore? Is SG a threat to China? What does 'be more balanced' mean? Is China demanding that SG be more like the neutral Swiss? Should SG be more like the Swiss? Why should ethnicity matter? Are skin color and other racial characteristics more important than citizenship?

These and many more strategic questions your posts do not answer or even hinted at the answers. All you can do and have done is speak in generalities. Basically, you are a coward.

 

[sinait]

Why is China 'pissed' at tiny Singapore? Is SG a threat to China? What does 'be more balanced' mean? Is China demanding that SG be more like the neutral Swiss? Should SG be more like the Swiss? Why should ethnicity matter? Are skin color and other racial characteristics more important than citizenship?

These and many more strategic questions your posts do not answer or even hinted at the answers. All you can do and have done is speak in generalities. Basically, you are a coward.

Wasted all my time to find those links to show you, Singapore had to tread carefully where the elephants fight, except for our big mouth Malay and Indian ministers.
Singapore need to be sensitive to the feelings of our neighbors, unless we have no choice, for example we hanged 2 Indonesian saboteurs despite fervent representations from Indonesia.
We also caned Michael Fay over US objections even though we depended on the US for protection and trade.

Balanced means, we cannot afford to alienate our bigger neighbors and the super powers unless absolutely necessary.
For "Why is China pissed with Singapore", make good use of Google.
For "Why should ethnicity matter", go ask the Indians, and Trump.
Ask Dr Mahathir, present PM of Malaysia, as well for his racial politics.
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[Harvey Pandit]

We have defeated Former superpowers like British Empire, Spanish Empire, USSR, Nazi Germany, WW1 and liberated whole Western Europe. What makes you think that we will back down from a country like China!

PS : Congratulations to Japan for becoming second largest Stock exchange in the world again.

 

[gambit]

Wasted all my time to find those links to show you,....

Yes, you did, because they are meaningless.

You made a big deal out of your Chinese ethnicity. Here something to think about...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chin...lition-in-weizhou.572043/page-5#post-10703553

Chinese american is not Chinese any more.

If a Chinese-American is not Chinese, according to the Chinese members of this forum, what make you think Singaporean Chinese have any significance to China other than a useful tool?

This is not the first time a Chinese on this forum expressed such disdain for ethnic Chinese who are not borne of mainland China. I grew up in Hawaii, a US state that is dominated by Asians. In my time, George Ariyoshi, an ethnic Japanese, was governor, and a white man, Frank Fasi, was Honolulu's mayor. I have Chinese friends who are all Chinese from both sides of their family who went to China and returned disappointed. China Chinese do not consider my American Chinese friends to be 'real' Chinese at all.

China is playing on your ethnicity to make you all subservient sheeple to China.

 

[AlohanAkua]

Yes, you did, because they are meaningless.

You made a big deal out of your Chinese ethnicity. Here something to think about...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chin...lition-in-weizhou.572043/page-5#post-10703553

If a Chinese-American is not Chinese, according to the Chinese members of this forum, what make you think Singaporean Chinese have any significance to China other than a useful tool?

This is not the first time a Chinese on this forum expressed such disdain for ethnic Chinese who are not borne of mainland China. I grew up in Hawaii, a US state that is dominated by Asians. In my time, George Ariyoshi, an ethnic Japanese, was governor, and a white man, Frank Fasi, was Honolulu's mayor. I have Chinese friends who are all Chinese from both sides of their family who went to China and returned disappointed. China Chinese do not consider my American Chinese friends to be 'real' Chinese at all.

China is playing on your ethnicity to make you all subservient sheeple to China.

Aloha! Not a local like you, wish I was (say that's a shaka haha). Yeah, the Asian American population there is probly the best integrated of any state, like HI is the one place where they're not seen as the "perpetual foreigner", in part cuz they make up such large part of the population. So they truly consider themselves American/are considered as such, its taken for granted.

Now I gotta break this out :

Note to UK PDF members: "Pake" is the Hawaiian vernacular/pidgin for "Chinese", like "Haole" is for White ppl

 

[sinait]

Yes, you did, because they are meaningless.

You made a big deal out of your Chinese ethnicity. Here something to think about...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chin...lition-in-weizhou.572043/page-5#post-10703553

If a Chinese-American is not Chinese, according to the Chinese members of this forum, what make you think Singaporean Chinese have any significance to China other than a useful tool?

This is not the first time a Chinese on this forum expressed such disdain for ethnic Chinese who are not borne of mainland China. I grew up in Hawaii, a US state that is dominated by Asians. In my time, George Ariyoshi, an ethnic Japanese, was governor, and a white man, Frank Fasi, was Honolulu's mayor. I have Chinese friends who are all Chinese from both sides of their family who went to China and returned disappointed. China Chinese do not consider my American Chinese friends to be 'real' Chinese at all.

China is playing on your ethnicity to make you all subservient sheeple to China.

OLD MAN, you better go check your eyes.
That is Wanglaokan. You will never find that I claimed to be Chinese in the thousand plus posts of mine.
BTW this Wanglaokan is not an official representative of China.
He is right though that American Chinese are not Chinese, especially those brainwashed ones that cannot write and read in Chinese.
Though they may identify themselves as Tangren, Huaren, or Hanren.
Instead there are many post that says you are Vietnamese and wannabee American.

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[Jlaw]

Wasted all my time to find those links to show you, Singapore had to tread carefully where the elephants fight, except for our big mouth Malay and Indian ministers.
Singapore need to be sensitive to the feelings of our neighbors, unless we have no choice, for example we hanged 2 Indonesian saboteurs despite fervent representations from Indonesia.
We also caned Michael Fay over US objections even though we depended on the US for protection and trade.

Balanced means, we cannot afford to alienate our bigger neighbors and the super powers unless absolutely necessary.
For "Why is China pissed with Singapore", make good use of Google.
For "Why should ethnicity matter", go ask the Indians, and Trump.
Ask Dr Mahathir, present PM of Malaysia, as well for his racial politics.
.

Don't waste your time with Viet professionals.

 

[Viet]

Very exciting times.
China is the 1st developing country that can stand up to the US.
The US had never been so frightened since the end of the Cold War.
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True. China is the first country that stands up to America. As well, a eunuch that found the SC sea. Also the first,that invented the 9 dash. Also the first, that revolutionized fireresistant women underwear.

Do we miss anything?

 

[Verve]

USA can fly by all they want but they still can't stop the construction and militarisation of the islands.

 

[gambit]

OLD MAN, you better go check your eyes.
That is Wanglaokan. You will never find that I claimed to be Chinese in the thousand plus posts of mine.
BTW this Wanglaokan is not an official representative of China.
He is right though that American Chinese are not Chinese, especially those brainwashed ones that cannot write and read in Chinese.
Though they may identify themselves as Tangren, Huaren, or Hanren.
Instead there are many post that says you are Vietnamese and wannabee American..

You missed the point. No surprise there.

The point is that China will NEVER see anyone outside of China as anything other than a useful tool (fool) for China to gain political supremacy in Asia. It does not matter if you are ethnic Chinese, which you made clear of Singaporeans mostly are, China do not care of your genetic origins. Mr. Wang of PDF may not speak officially for China, but he spoke well enough the sentiments of mainland China regarding other Chinese. If a Chinese-American is not Chinese, then neither is a Singaporean-Chinese a Chinese. Get it?

How have SG been any 'threat' to China that China made demands that made YOU scared of China? The Chinese civilization influences every country and every people in Asia, but I do not see the Japanese, the Koreans, or the Viets being as subservient to China as YOU have been. And maybe my 'old man' eyes are failing looking at the map, those three countries are closer to China than SG is.

Personally, no Chinese-Americans I know care what mainland Chinese thinks of their origins. They considers themselves Chinese AND American. That duality do not bother them. Unlike you, they are loyal to their country of citizenship, which is the US, while you are eager to have SG submissive to China just because so many Singaporeans have Chinese ancestry, which China do not give a shit anyway.

I am not a 'wannabee American'. I am an American. For you to say that I am a 'wannabee American' reveals how little you know of the US and much of the racial prejudices that are within YOU. No wonder China considers you to be a useful tool (fool).

Aloha! Not a local like you,...

Aloha, brah...!!! I grew up on Paani St. Went to Ala Wai, then Kaimuki. So yeah...Am sort of a local.

 

[oprih]

Congrats to america for stopping China on reclaiming their islands, oh wait construction and reclamation is still ongoing.