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Dude I'm talking about now, where China flaunts all intl rules. The only choice left for SE Asian nations is, do they stick w/ the "bully" they know, or the new bully? Which would they benefit from most, and suffer least harm? That's who they'll side with.

Stuff from the middle ages or b.c. w/e is just an excuse, come on
What International rules are you talking about?
Rights to land comes from history.
The history of your being 1st to discover and occupy the land.
Why don't you ask Syria, Libya, Iraq who is the BULLY ?
History says the USA belongs to the natives.
But the might and guns of murderous Whites say otherwise.
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What International rules are you talking about?
Rights to land comes from history.
The history of your being 1st to discover and occupy the land.
Why don't you ask Syria, Libya, Iraq who is the BULLY ?
History says the USA belongs to the natives.
But the might and guns of murderous Whites say otherwise.
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Right, what I said, ur the new Imperialistic bully :)
 
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What International rules are you talking about?
Rights to land comes from history.
The history of your being 1st to discover and occupy the land.
Why don't you ask Syria, Libya, Iraq who is the BULLY ?
History says the USA belongs to the natives.
But the might and guns of murderous Whites say otherwise.
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u r a chinaman and you're complaining about might is right????
 
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ASEAN were very lucky ancient China came to live in peace with them and only claimed uninhabited islands on the way to these lands instead of enslaving them and annexed their lands.

China is claiming all the islands because it was bigger, stronger and they're weaker in addition to being not even a nation long time ago.

Wtf is wrong with you? That's the same logic the Indonesians used on us when they say we should be grateful for the 11 months of clean air from their forest. We are lucky that they gave us 'only' a month of haze?

Would you say the same if it's the Indonesians impinging on our territorial sovereignty today, just because they are bigger and stronger?

What International rules are you talking about?

How about reading Singapore's official foreign policy on international rule of law since LKY's time? By supporting 'might is right' here just because you're blindly pro-China, you're undermining Singapore's long term interest and survival as a tiny country surrounded by far larger neighbors. Have you forgotten that China tried to bully us into submission by confiscating our military vehicles because we support the international rule of law on the SCS issue?



https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...ose-its-own-place-to-stand-on-south-c-7884434

History says the USA belongs to the natives.

So we ethnic Chinese should leave Singapore too? Do you even know what you just said?
 
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You are wrong, don't just spout NONSENSE.
The Chinese identify themselves as Tang or Han wherever they go.
They are the same people using the same language with maybe a bit of simplification as they modernize.
Nothing hyper about the Chinese, you can ask Marco Polo, if Kublai Khan rule as a Chinese or not.

If Japan were willing to convert and rule as Chinese, the world would have been very different.
As it has come to pass, the Chinese kept on fighting for 8 long years until the Japanese were vanquished.
That's why if you bothered to check out, the Chinese had continuous unbroken rule from dynasty to dynasty.
Update your knowledge before making long post of ignorance.

Let me help you, if the British were to rule India as Mughal empire and call themselves Mughals, then the Mughal empire will be unbroken.
Empire would also be unbroken if the Portuguese were to rule Indonesia, but use Bahasa Indonesia, and call themselves Indonesian instead of Portuguese.
That's what happened in China from dynasty to dynasty.
Its the ONLY country to achieve that.
That's why the US is shaking in their boots now with the resurgence of China.
Yes, I don't know much about China, regrettably.
What I post are common knowledge, but not for those who have closed and narrow minds.
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Don't watch that 7 min BS video. How the **** can one make a short video of 5000 years history. I know a good amount of Chinese history, what exactly do you need answered?
 
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Singapore's success depended on the protection and trade with the US in no small way.
We are grateful.
But our future lies with China.
A powerful China will mean peace and prosperity for ASEAN nations that had existed since ancient times with these nations paying tribute to China.
No enslaving and annexation of lands by China even though it had the most powerful naval fleet commandeered by admiral Zheng Ho.
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Talking about why China was peaceful. with peaceful army and navy towards ASEAN. The Ming naval and land forces were annihilated by Vietnamese army. Oh yes, without Vietnam, the entire southern hemisphere was enslaved by the Chinese.

And SC sea was Chinese long ago.
 
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Wtf is wrong with you? That's the same logic the Indonesians used on us when they say we should be grateful for the 11 months of clean air from their forest. We are lucky that they gave us 'only' a month of haze?

Would you say the same if it's the Indonesians impinging on our territorial sovereignty today, just because they are bigger and stronger?

How about reading Singapore's official foreign policy on international rule of law since LKY's time? By supporting 'might is right' here just because you're blindly pro-China, you're undermining Singapore's long term interest and survival as a tiny country surrounded by far larger neighbors. Have you forgotten that China tried to bully us into submission by confiscating our military vehicles because we support the international rule of law on the SCS issue?

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...ose-its-own-place-to-stand-on-south-c-7884434

So we ethnic Chinese should leave Singapore too? Do you even know what you just said?
Hey, Smart Arse,
Why is it Comprehension Standards are Lower Now ?
Yes, China is claiming all the islands because it was bigger, stronger and they're weaker in addition to being not even a nation long time ago.
That's how it was done in the past, just as Tibet was conquered long ago by China and not in 1965 as detractors would have us believe.
Just as how the Whites massacred the natives and call the USA home.
You want to tell me that was not how claims to land in the past was settled ?
Sorry I was not around FEW HUNDRED YEARS AGO when Indonesia gave us their HAZE because they were bigger and stronger.
So we ethnic Chinese should leave Singapore too? Do you even know what you just said?
My HISTORY is bad, I didn't know the Chinese massacred the natives and took over Singapore.
My ancestors were invited to Singapore by the British to help build up Singapore with their engineering.
Maybe your ancestors killed the natives.

Please do not quote me anymore.
Better to spent your time to parry with fake flag posters here and not to bother me.
I have no wish to turn this into how bad things are in Singapore.
I had only good words to say to those who asked me about you privately, but not anymore.
Not so sure now you are Singaporean with the bad mouthing you do to Singapore in an International forum.
You are like the Lee family bringing their dirty linen out in the public.
Or you are simply naive and immature.

Singapore's success depended on the protection and trade with the US in no small way.
We are grateful.
And NO, I have not forgotten we owed our good life to the US in NO SMALL WAY because the US had been responsible for maintaining world order but increasingly not anymore.
And small boy, I was around during the racial riots and war with Indonesia.
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Not so sure now you are Singaporean with the bad mouthing you do to Singapore in an International forum.
You are like the Lee family bringing their dirty linen out in the public.
Or you are simply naive and immature.

Who's tarnishing Singapore's reputation really?

As a tiny country, the international rule of law is paramount to us otherwise you will have the situation in Crimea where the strong can just trample on the weak.

Yet, here you are talking about 'might is right' and how lucky ASEAN is because China claimed 'only' those islands. Isn't that exactly Indonesia's attitude towards us? That we should be grateful that they pollute our air for 'only' a month? I should be grateful to the robber who robbed 'only' 10% of my wealth?

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Image and credibility is really all Singapore has on the international stage. What else can Singapore offer to bring in investments which brought us to today's prosperity? It's precisely because of Singapore's credibility and reputation as a principled nation that the international community is willing to give Singapore a listening ear on many issues. It's also why China wants us to side more with them even though we have little economic or military value to them, because they know Singapore is seen as a neutral country like Switzerland internationally and it will make a difference to their foreign narrative. It's also the reason why Xi and Ma held their meeting in Singapore. It's also the reason why Trump and Kim held their meeting here.

Yet here you are making tasteless insults towards the Indians, Vietnamese, Americans or whoever they are. That's the maturity you're talking about? You have to resort to insults because they have different positions from China on certain issues? Why are you so blindly pro-China without any sense of reasoning or maturity? So who's the 'naive, immature' one 'badmouthing' Singapore? Certainly not me.

Sorry but I would rather wash the dirty linen in public here because the actions you just displayed did Singapore's image a far greater harm.
 
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Who's tarnishing Singapore's reputation really?

As a tiny country, the international rule of law is paramount to us otherwise you will have the situation in Crimea where the strong can just trample on the weak.

Yet, here you are talking about 'might is right' and how lucky ASEAN is because China claimed 'only' those islands. Isn't that exactly Indonesia's attitude towards us? That we should be grateful that they pollute our air for 'only' a month? I should be grateful to the robber who robbed 'only' 10% of my wealth?

Image and credibility is really all Singapore has on the international stage. What else can Singapore offer to bring in investments which brought us to today's prosperity? It's precisely because of Singapore's credibility and reputation as a principled nation that the international community is willing to give Singapore a listening ear on many issues. It's also why China wants us to side more with them even though we have little economic or military value to them, because they know Singapore is seen as a neutral country like Switzerland internationally and it will make a difference to their foreign narrative. It's also the reason why Xi and Ma held their meeting in Singapore. It's also the reason why Trump and Kim held their meeting here.

Yet here you are making tasteless insults towards the Indians, Vietnamese, Americans or whoever they are. That's the maturity you're talking about? You have to resort to insults because they have different positions from China on certain issues? Why are you so blindly pro-China without any sense of reasoning or maturity? So who's the 'naive, immature' one 'badmouthing' Singapore? Certainly not me.

Sorry but I would rather wash the dirty linen in public here because the actions you just displayed did Singapore's image a far greater harm.
HEY STUPID.
Where did you see I post international rule of law is not important especially for Singapore.
Don't put words to me.
Don't come and teach me, I know what it is like being constantly threatened by Malaysia and Indonesia.
Malaysia's threat to cut off our water every now and then was very real and threatening during my time.
We had nothing and Malaysia was always trying to incite racial divide here.
Ditto Indonesia, 1998 Chinese massacre was not too long ago.
You had it better because they don't do it like how they do it previously.
Indonesia doing something about their HAZE because it is affecting them, not because we complained.

Don't ascribe what you think to become what I said, STUPID.
You are the one who is blind, go make your hair blond and pretend to be Western.
Trolling with Trolls and fake flag Indians is not immature, its entertainment.
I have no problem with sincere posters whatever nationality.

Don't quote me anymore.
Did you see me ever rebut your stupid views here ?
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Who's tarnishing Singapore's reputation really?

As a tiny country, the international rule of law is paramount to us otherwise you will have the situation in Crimea where the strong can just trample on the weak.

Yet, here you are talking about 'might is right' and how lucky ASEAN is because China claimed 'only' those islands. Isn't that exactly Indonesia's attitude towards us? That we should be grateful that they pollute our air for 'only' a month? I should be grateful to the robber who robbed 'only' 10% of my wealth?

Image and credibility is really all Singapore has on the international stage. What else can Singapore offer to bring in investments which brought us to today's prosperity? It's precisely because of Singapore's credibility and reputation as a principled nation that the international community is willing to give Singapore a listening ear on many issues. It's also why China wants us to side more with them even though we have little economic or military value to them, because they know Singapore is seen as a neutral country like Switzerland internationally and it will make a difference to their foreign narrative. It's also the reason why Xi and Ma held their meeting in Singapore. It's also the reason why Trump and Kim held their meeting here.

Yet here you are making tasteless insults towards the Indians, Vietnamese, Americans or whoever they are. That's the maturity you're talking about? You have to resort to insults because they have different positions from China on certain issues? Why are you so blindly pro-China without any sense of reasoning or maturity? So who's the 'naive, immature' one 'badmouthing' Singapore? Certainly not me.

Sorry but I would rather wash the dirty linen in public here because the actions you just displayed did Singapore's image a far greater harm.
Where did you see I post international rule of law is not important especially for Singapore.
Don't put words to me.
Don't come and teach me, I know what it is like being constantly threatened by Malaysia and Indonesia.
Malaysia's threat to cut off our water every now and then was very real and threatening during my time.
We had nothing and Malaysia was always trying to incite racial divide here.
Ditto Indonesia, 1998 Chinese massacre was not too long ago.
You had it better because they don't do it like how they do it previously.
Indonesia doing something about their HAZE because it is affecting them, not because we complained.

Don't ascribe what you think to become what I said, STUPID.
You are the one who is blind, go make your hair blond and pretend to be Western.
Trolling with Trolls and fake flag Indians is not immature, its entertainment.
I have no problem with sincere posters whatever nationality.

Don't quote me anymore.
Did you see me ever rebut your stupid views here ?
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HEY STUPID.
Where did you see I post international rule of law is not important especially for Singapore.
Don't put words to me.
Don't come and teach me, I know what it is like being constantly threatened by Malaysia and Indonesia.
Malaysia's threat to cut off our water every now and then was very real and threatening during my time.
We had nothing and Malaysia was always trying to incite racial divide here.
Ditto Indonesia, 1998 Chinese massacre was not too long ago.
You had it better because they don't do it like how they do it previously.
Indonesia doing something about their HAZE because it is affecting them, not because we complained.

Don't ascribe what you think to become what I said, STUPID.
You are the one who is blind, go make your hair blond and pretend to be Western.
Trolling with Trolls and fake flag Indians is not immature, its entertainment.
I have no problem with sincere posters whatever nationality.

Don't quote me anymore.
Did you see me ever rebut your stupid views here ?
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Now, now, you're behaving like those old-age coffeeshop uncle. Blindly pro-China, telling off the young as pseudo-Westerner, 倚老卖老, obstinate, hurling childish insults at someone who holds any different view. I mean, even back in my days in secondary school no one is hurling insults like 'HEY STUPID (caps/bold on)' anymore because it simply reflects their level of maturity. Even though we are all teenagers back then, we know it's immature and you automatically lose your argument along with respect. And you say you're in your 60s?

Why can't I reply you? It's a forum and I have my right to reply anyone, just like you have your right to put anyone in your ignore list. If you don't like seeing me replying to your post, you can simply exercise your right as a fellow poster and put me in your ignore list or report me to the Mods.
 
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Now, now, you're behaving like those old-age coffeeshop uncle. Blindly pro-China, telling off the young as pseudo-Westerner, 倚老卖老, obstinate, hurling childish insults at someone who holds any different view. I mean, even back in my days in secondary school no one is hurling insults like 'HEY STUPID (caps/bold on)' anymore because it simply reflects their level of maturity. Even though we are all teenagers back then, we know it's immature and you automatically lose your argument along with respect. And you say you're in your 60s?

Why can't I reply you? It's a forum and I have my right to reply anyone, just like you have your right to put anyone in your ignore list. If you don't like seeing me replying to your post, you can simply exercise your right as a fellow poster and put me in your ignore list or report me to the Mods.

It's not worth it. For a second I thought @sinait was someone I could communicate with, but he's so scattershot and entrenched.

@Jlaw ofc the vid has to move at lightning speed, zooming past all the details. But as a starter for someone who knows little about Chinese history, what exactly is wrong w/ it? Did it get any dates wrong, or the order of things?

Pls watch the vid b4 responding
 
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Don't watch that 7 min BS video. How the **** can one make a short video of 5000 years history. I know a good amount of Chinese history, what exactly do you need answered?

Hey @Jlaw if its the length of the vid that gets you hung up, Korea only got five minutes :-) and its still pretty accurate:

 
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...I think the tributes are more like paying respect and acknowledgment of the supremacy of the Chinese kingdom and not to suppress the natives.
Yeah...It is called 'extortion'. You pay me so I do not beat you up.

The conquest and maintenance of lands outside one's borders are not easy. Defeating that army is one thing, but continued suppression of resentment, pacification, mollification, deals making, trade, etc, are different, as the US found out in our recent military adventures. This is even more problematic if bodies of water are involved. Conquests of BORDERING lands are actually easier than conquests of lands protected by bodies of water. The serious study of the technical aspects of military affairs are scant when it comes to the Chinese and their supporters in this forum.

Man -- as a species -- evolved to be land based. Ninety nine percent of what we invented and do are for land based activities. So when we encounter a body of water, naturally we hesitate. We have to invent new ways to survive in the water. As an interesting aside, in special operations training, the first and best test to eliminate candidates is water survival. For the US military, there are very few blacks in the special operations community, specifically the SEAL teams. Most American blacks are urbanites or city dwellers so they do not have much experience with water outside the community swimming pool.

Take everything that make up a special operations soldier, then scale those factors up to the national level.

Overseas expeditions are enormous undertakings, especially when when the word is literal and not figurative -- involve an ocean or a sea. To commit to a conquest of a land that is geographically protected by water means the military must first be mobile in doctrines, willing to be expendable, willing to be stationed for extended duration away from home, willing to live natively as in 'off the land' if necessary, innovative, and independent while away but submissive to orders from home when summoned. The people inside this military must also be extraordinary, not in the sense that individuals are geniuses but in the sense that they are disciplined, trained higher than the standards exhibited by other militaries, better equipped, and philosophically and morally motivated towards what they do. In other words, an expeditionary military is the best type of military that can be created.

In military history, this type of military is actually rare and even rarer are the ones that can cross water and achieve its goals. The Romans and the Brits are examples of this extraordinary type of military. Today we have the US military. China is a majority land power, not a maritime power. The Chinese navies in history have been used mainly to support land based objectives on home soil, not in overseas ventures. The history of the expansion of the various Chinese empires have been land based.

So if China in history have not taken overseas territories is because that historical China was not able to do so. For those island countries that were extorted, they paid because it is less expensive than to be repeatedly fighting off Chinese invaders. They probably did not believed that the Chinese military was not capable of sustaining an overseas territory. Often, an implied threat is just as good as an explicit one. So they paid the extortion. There is NEVER any respect by the victim when being extorted, unless the interpretation is 'fear' and not 'respect' in the true sense of respect.
 
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