Keel Laying Ceremony of Indigenously Designed FAC(M)-4 being built for Pakistan Navy

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

VLS for small ships, especially corvettes and FACs, should be integrated from the design phase. It is very difficult to bolt them on in very compact spaces. The Finnish Hamina is an excellent example of design with AShW and AAW inserted from the onset. Seriously, I wouldn't mind if the PN could get MTC to design such a vessel; 2x2 AShM, a 100-km AESA radar, 1x8 Umkhonto EIR (30-35 km) SAM.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

I saw the discussion on this thread for the triple launcher. Where else do you see a triple launcher in Pakistan? Rest I think you can correctly analyze.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

VLS for small ships, especially corvettes and FACs, should be integrated from the design phase. It is very difficult to bolt them on in very compact spaces. The Finnish Hamina is an excellent example of design with AShW and AAW inserted from the onset. Seriously, I wouldn't mind if the PN could get MTC to design such a vessel; 2x2 AShM, a 100-km AESA radar, 1x8 Umkhonto EIR (30-35 km) SAM.

Does MTC really have a capability to design ships?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Does MTC really have a capability to design ships?

Correction: "design" (aka work with an established designer).

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Correction: "design" (aka work with an established designer).

the sad reality.

 

[Penguin]

VLS for small ships, especially corvettes and FACs, should be integrated from the design phase. It is very difficult to bolt them on in very compact spaces. The Finnish Hamina is an excellent example of design with AShW and AAW inserted from the onset. Seriously, I wouldn't mind if the PN could get MTC to design such a vessel; 2x2 AShM, a 100-km AESA radar, 1x8 Umkhonto EIR (30-35 km) SAM.

It is getting a bit easier as smaller missiles achieve better ranges, these days. So, one could use a smaller VLS (e.g. Sylver A35, or the shortest (3.3 m) version of the Chinese VLS. Whereas a few years ago, Barak-1 was the only truely compact VLS launched SAM, followed by VL SeaWolf, and both were/are relatively short-legged and CLOS (rather than IRH, RFH and/or ARH), which requires an El/Op and/or radar missile director. You also now have LMCOs Single Cells Launcher (a stand alone Mk41 cell), which can be mounted dispersed aboard a ship, in places where a regular multi-cell VLS couldn't fit. This can be quad packed. Together with the compact Mk48/56 GWLS, that provides options for small ships.

But for a ship the size of PNS Azmat, something combat like Gibka (SA24 Igla-S) or Simbad-RC or its predecessor Sandral (Mistral), or Aselsan Bora naval PMS would be a good augmentation of air defences. Raytheon had something similar in its solution portfolio with the Sea Scorpion 2 (lightweight RC launcher with 4 Stinger missiles per mount), but this solution disappeared from their website.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...eet-pictures-photos-video-specifications.html

http://warships1discussionboards.yu...-Arsenal-Ship-On-The-Cheap-ASOTC#.WOnq1qKkKUk

Or a different front gun mount, with an integrated MANPADS e.g. Oto Melara Mod 584 MARLIN-WS

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...-information-pool.203829/page-20#post-7900939

And integrate this into the Combat Management System

http://northamerica.airbus-group.co...press.20101025_mbda_euronaval_integrated.html

 

[Penguin]

I'm not sure if it's the same with FL300N, but RAM Mk 31 Guided Missile Weapon System (GMWS) can engage both air- and surface targets ("HAS-mode", Helicopter, Aircraft, and Surface targets). It typically consists of the Mk-144 Guided Missile Launcher (GML) unit, weighing 5,777 kilograms (12,736 lb), which holds 21 missiles. There is also a lighter variant, used on the 67m Arialah multi-purpose OPV (Abu Dabi, UAE), that holds 11 missiles. The original weapon has no sensors of its own so the associated Mk 49 Guided Missile Launching System (GMLS) that controls the weapons/launcher must be integrated with a ship's combat system, to take sensor inputs and direct the launcher at targets. This too could be substituted for the forward twin gun mount on the Azmat class. Blocks 0 and 1 have a 9km range, but block 2 will be capable of 22.5km. Maybe not ideal in terms of range, but better than current missile coverage and 'fire-and-forget".

Would also be good on the PNS Alamgir, on a platform over the Mk13 launcher base. RAM block 2 can also be launched from Mk41 cells using the Extensible Launch System (adjustable canister), which could be an option for a F22P upgrade (8-cell self defence version forward of the bridge > 32 missiles). Since it is IR/RF homing it is fire-and-forget and does not need a radar director (like HQ7/FM90N) or a radar illuminator (like ESSM).

 

[Cornered Tiger]

I saw the discussion on this thread for the triple launcher. Where else do you see a triple launcher in Pakistan? Rest I think you can correctly analyze.

Sir there are triple launcher of both Babur and C-602.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Sir there are triple launcher of both Babur and C-602.

Or maybe something else

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Or maybe something else

Not insinuating anything, just noting that China has two supersonic cruising anti-ship missiles on offer: CX-1 and CM-302.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Not insinuating anything, just noting that China has two supersonic cruising anti-ship missiles on offer: CX-1 and CM-302.

Well, i dont think so. In my assessment, these vessels are to carry local made solution.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Like zerb be cx1

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Well, i dont think so. In my assessment, these vessels are to carry local made solution.

Shouldn't surprise anyone. Considering the Babur and Ra'ad, Pakistan should have access to the technologies necessary to produce its own AShM. The triple-cell arrangement implies heavy/large missiles though, so if it is a sea-skimming sub-sonic solution, it'd be with a hefty warhead.

Side question: I noticed the Saab RBS-15's boosters are on the sides instead of the tail. Why is this the case? Is there a specific benefit of having twin side rocket boosters? @Penguin

 

[YeBeWarned]

Like zerb be cx1

Zarb is not CX-1 ...
Zarb is C-602 Chinese Anti Ship Missile

 

[Cornered Tiger]

Side question: I noticed the Saab RBS-15's boosters are on the sides instead of the tail. Why is this the case? Is there a specific benefit of having twin side rocket boosters? @Penguin

In my opinion Sir, side boosters are used to increase range, It creates more pushing/hot area behind the missile to take it at longer distance. I might be wrong.