Keel Laying Ceremony of Indigenously Designed FAC(M)-4 being built for Pakistan Navy

[Motiur Rehman]

Congrates.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

0% chance to build any VLS tech in this
Looks quite shallow in depth

 

[ziaulislam]

0% chance to build any VLS tech in this
Looks quite shallow in depth

why would you want VLS in 50 million ship
that was never even in my imagination
i would however not mind a point defense RAM instead of autocannon

 

[Basel]

you are right, No. 3 as well does not have it. Anti-Air missile in the front is unlikely, Probably the main gun will be a dual purpose gun. Rear ramp might be omitted to place bigger size launchers for relatively larger missiles.


round launchers might be for Babur-2.

May be when land attack mission is need to be performed but C-602Gs have more chances of being deployed with range of 280km and land attack capability.

Fitting FAC(M)-4 with an anti-ship capable Babur would be very interesting. ISPR said the Babur-2 is capable of hitting targets on land and at sea, so 700-km coverage aboard the FAC(M)-4 and the PN's frigates would be a solid addition.

Speaking to the future, it would be interesting if the PN could upgrade the Azmat-class with an AESA radar, such as the Aselsan Naval Search Radar or Saab Sea Giraffe 1X. It would be like having low-level radars at sea, which Pakistan can network into a wider ISR network.

Sea Giraffe is good but PN may not go for those for small FACs because they are looking for Smart S mk2 for Ada class ships so why they will put more advance radar on FAC when larger ship don't have it? But if Smart S-mk2 radar can be put on FAC with integration of Chinese weapons (which is possible with Turkish help), while Giraffe goes to bigger ships and land mobile units, remember that PA, PAF also need new advance Low level sensor so all three branches can work together.

 

[Cornered Tiger]

May be when land attack mission is need to be performed but C-602Gs have more chances of being deployed with range of 280km and land attack capability.

As per the press release it is mentioned that The Weapon System is indigenous, So C-602 is not indigenous & Babur-2 has dual modes, i.e. Land Attack Mode and Anti-Ship Mode. So Babur-2 fits the description.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

As per the press release it is mentioned that The Weapon System is indigenous, So C-602 is not indigenous & Babur-2 has dual modes, i.e. Land Attack Mode and Anti-Ship Mode. So Babur-2 fits the description.

There's the Zarb.

 

[Tank131]

As per the press release it is mentioned that The Weapon System is indigenous, So C-602 is not indigenous & Babur-2 has dual modes, i.e. Land Attack Mode and Anti-Ship Mode. So Babur-2 fits the description.

The Zarb AShM is thought to be an "indigenous" variant of c-602.

 

[Penguin]

Fitting FAC(M)-4 with an anti-ship capable Babur would be very interesting. ISPR said the Babur-2 is capable of hitting targets on land and at sea, so 700-km coverage aboard the FAC(M)-4 and the PN's frigates would be a solid addition.

How would missiles be targeted? Because 700km is clearly way way way beyond the ship's own radar coverage (280km would also be, incendally)

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

How would missiles be targeted? Because 700km is clearly way way way beyond the ship's own radar coverage (280km would also be, incendally)

They could try way-points and overlapping radar coverage areas between different assets. For example, the Azmat FAC can get a call from a ship or aircraft to fire the Babur to a predetermined point in the caller's range, and from there, the caller can direct the AShM.

 

[Penguin]

0% chance to build any VLS tech in this
Looks quite shallow in depth

If mounted in/through the superstructure, Buyan-M style, you'ld have 3 decks worth of depth. A Mk41 self-defence module is 5.3m, the tactical module is 6.8m, and the strike module is 7.7m long. So, the self-defence module would work, possible even the tactical. Then, there is the Mk48/Mk56 (see Danish ships). In the Stanflax module, this penetrates 1 deck deep and sticks out above deck. In other form it is 2 decks deep if mounted flush (e.g KDX-1).
As for the Sylver VLSs, A-35 is 3.5m, A-43 is 4.3 meter, A-50 is 5.0 meter and A-70 is 7.0 meter. So All but the longest Sylver would work. Chinese VLS IIRC is 3.3.m, 7m or 9m long. So, at least one length would work.
Clearly, there are some options.

Denmark: Flyvefisken class (Standard Flex 300)

See more here: http://www.schnellboot.net/dk/flyvefisken/vorlage/index3.php

 

[Penguin]

They could try way-points and overlapping radar coverage areas between different assets. For example, the Azmat FAC can get a call from a ship or aircraft to fire the Babur to a predetermined point in the caller's range, and from there, the caller can direct the AShM.

The longer the chain, the more links, the more points where things can go wrong....

 

[Penguin]

0% chance to build any VLS tech in this
Looks quite shallow in depth

I will add this: it would take a big redesign, just like was done with Russian Buyan to Buyan-M. That in itself makes it less likely to actually occur, even if it is technically possible.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Looks like external launchers are only option

 

[My-Analogous]

What is the completion date?

 

[Penguin]

Looks like external launchers are only option

Hamina class
Displacement: 250 tons
Length: 51 m (167 ft)
Beam: 8.5 m (28 ft)
Draught: 1.7 m (5 ft 7 in)
8 × Umkhonto-IR SAM

as compared to Azmat
Displacement: 560 tons
Length: 206 ft 7 in (62.97 m)
Beam: 28 ft 9 in (8.76 m)