Kazakh Khanate and the enslave of Russians

[sahaliyan]

It's your vision for the future. Russian make up more than 20% of Kazakhstan's population and they live in the industrialized northern regions.
I highly doubt that Kazakhstan ever prefer China over Russia.
All russophobes wrong in the same - they always sure that Russia's influence in the world and Russian power will invariably fall. And in fact, the Russian influence on all the neighbors will increase over the coming decades. Most likely, it will lead to the fact that Eurasian Union would become a federal or confederal state and by influence on the affairs of the world will be on a par with the Soviet Union or even greater.

China respect the indepence of Kazakhstan,and we are good neighbours.and do you know why Kazakhstan receive the oralmans from China and Mongolia?Do you know,accord the new policy of Kazakhstan,the new oralmans should stay in the north three years,then they can move into the other parts of the country

 

[usernameless]

Kazakhstan is independent and will remain so
Nazarbayev is clever than the Ukrainian politicians though,he was educated by soviet system,in current time,he served the interests of Kazakhstan,however the young generation Kazakhs will rise in the future,they are different,they receive the different education,and live in different environment than their forefathers
And with more Chinese Kazakh oralmans moving into Kazakhstan,the Russian influence will decline,the Chinese Kazakhs have no Russian influence

i agree. Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan joining Eurasian Union has nothing to do with love for Russia, but rather due economics and political pressure from Russia at the moment. imo Russia will use every trick to keep Turkic states under its sphere of influence. Therefore I cannot believe that Kazakhs or Kyrgyz would 'ally' themselves with a country that just blackmails them, their leaders are not that stupid. These countries just have a difficult future and choose what is the best at this time and choose another path later on, especially with the new generations who should be more nationalistic and have an independent mindsetting.

And in fact, the Russian influence on all the neighbors will increase over the coming decades. Most likely, it will lead to the fact that Eurasian Union would become a federal or confederal state and by influence on the affairs of the world will be on a par with the Soviet Union or even greater.

I don't agree that Russia's influence will rise more. I think it has reached its limit already, unless Russia goes for aggressive leverage and pressure methods. Besides, there is now also big and rich neighbor China and Turkey, which is slowly but gradually increasing its influence too in CA.

Do you know,accord the new policy of Kazakhstan,the new oralmans should stay in the north three years,then they can move into the other parts of the country

I have never heard of such policy. Could you please tell something about it or maybe provide a link?

 

[asena_great]

the Kazakhs captured many Russians and sold them as slaves in the Central Asian market.

damn good old day for kazakhs

Jp: Kutu-o
Tr: Pabuç-u
En: the shoes

turkmens call the shoes as kouş

 

[Aepsilons]

damn good old day for kazakhs

turkmens call the shoes as kouş

It seems that we are all part of the greater proto-Altaic family...

 

[nvKyleBrown]

It's your vision for the future. Russian make up more than 20% of Kazakhstan's population and they live in the industrialized northern regions.
I highly doubt that Kazakhstan ever prefer China over Russia.
All russophobes wrong in the same - they always sure that Russia's influence in the world and Russian power will invariably fall. And in fact, the Russian influence on all the neighbors will increase over the coming decades. Most likely, it will lead to the fact that Eurasian Union would become a federal or confederal state and by influence on the affairs of the world will be on a par with the Soviet Union or even greater.

Mmm, given Russia's behavior wrt Georgia and the Ukraine, if I was Kazakhstan, I'd be working furiously on my border defenses. When Russia wants to increase its influence, hold on to the family jewels.

 

[vostok]

China respect the indepence of Kazakhstan,and we are good neighbours.and do you know why Kazakhstan receive the oralmans from China and Mongolia?Do you know,accord the new policy of Kazakhstan,the new oralmans should stay in the north three years,then they can move into the other parts of the country

Do you know why Kazakhstan will never cease to be an ally of Russia for China? Because they understand that China may at any time resettle 20-30 million Han into Kazakhstan, and then it will not be Kazakhstan any more. A migration of Kazakhs from abroad - it is normal practice. Many countries have a similar one - Russia, Israel, Germany.

Mmm, given Russia's behavior wrt Georgia and the Ukraine, if I was Kazakhstan, I'd be working furiously on my border defenses. When Russia wants to increase its influence, hold on to the family jewels.

If you do not interfere in these countries with your anti-constitutional "orange revolutions", they would have long been a part of the Eurasian Union.

I don't agree that Russia's influence will rise more.

I am not surprised.
However, Russia is becoming the leader of the free world. The next 2-3 years will be difficult for its economy, but after them, Russia will be completely independent center of power. You can not be the center of attraction, if you are only a someones vassal.
I understand that Turkey is also on the path of getting rid of West occupation.

 

[sahaliyan]

Do you know why Kazakhstan will never cease to be an ally of Russia for China? Because they understand that China may at any time resettle 20-30 million Han into Kazakhstan, and then it will not be Kazakhstan any more. A migration of Kazakhs from abroad - it is normal practice. Many countries have a similar one - Russia, Israel, Germany.


If you do not interfere in these countries with your anti-constitutional "orange revolutions", they would have long been a part of the Eurasian Union.


I am not surprised.
However, Russia is becoming the leader of the free world. The next 2-3 years will be difficult for its economy, but after them, Russia will be completely independent center of power. You can not be the center of attraction, if you are only a someones vassal.
I understand that Turkey is also on the path of getting rid of West occupation.

Lol you think too much,how can China resettle 20-30 million Han into Kazakhstan?Even in Xinjiang,the Han population is only 9 million(the total population of Xinjiang is 20 million),with an independent country,how can China resettle 20-30 million population there?And the whole overseas Chinese population is 50 million,then in one country,we can settle 20-30 million population?Do you understand economic,do you know how and why people migrat?I think you don't know, what you said is totoally bullshit
And with a low birth rate,Chinese population will stop grow in 2020,I think China will receive immigrants in the future,so your fake worry will never became true
If you really understand Kazakhstan,you will know the illegal immigrants from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are more a serious problem for them,I don't need to mention how the Kazakhs treat the Uzbek and Tajik illegal immigrants in their country

 

[Targon]

@vostok

Yeah if they not interfered you would freely bully them.

@vostok

Yeah if they not interfered you would freely bully them.

 

[sahaliyan]

We all know three northern Kazakhstan states have Russian majority population,the Kazakhstan leadership fear you do same in their north like you did in Crimea
Нұрбек БЕКБАУ. 哈萨克斯坦推行北方哈萨克化，中国将鼎力相助（正...

 

[vostok]

Lol you think too much,how can China resettle 20-30 million Han into Kazakhstan?Even in Xinjiang,the Han population is only 9 million(the total population of Xinjiang is 20 million),with an independent country,how can China resettle 20-30 million population there?And the whole overseas Chinese population is 50 million,then in one country,we can settle 20-30 million population?Do you understand economic,do you know how and why people migrat?I think you don't know, what you said is totoally bullshit
And with a low birth rate,Chinese population will stop grow in 2020,I think China will receive immigrants in the future,so your fake worry will never became true
If you really understand Kazakhstan,you will know the illegal immigrants from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are more a serious problem for them,I don't need to mention how the Kazakhs treat the Uzbek and Tajik illegal immigrants in their country

If you are Manchu, you must understand how some nations becoming Han as a result. China is building cities in Africa for the future settlement, just as it can build them in Kazakhstan - if Kazakhstan will break the alliance with Russia. And this is going to be very economically effective, because China will get its own oil, gas and large reserves of uranium.
I know about Tajics and Uzbecs.

@vostok

Yeah if they not interfered you would freely bully them.

No, Americans overthrew the legitimate rulers, held fake elections and using Russophobian propagadny trying to change the opinion of people. If it were not so, Ukraine and Georgia voluntarily become part of the Eurasian Union, without revolutions and wars that have been caused by these revolutions.

 

[sahaliyan]

If you are Manchu, you must understand how some nations becoming Han as a result. China is building cities in Africa for the future settlement, just as it can build them in Kazakhstan - if Kazakhstan will break the alliance with Russia. And this is going to be very economically effective, because China will get its own oil, gas and large reserves of uranium.
I know about Tajics and Uzbecs.

No, Americans overthrew the legitimate rulers, held fake elections and using Russophobian propagadny trying to change the opinion of people. If it were not so, Ukraine and Georgia voluntarily become part of the Eurasian Union, without revolutions and wars that have been caused by these revolutions.

Lol Now you talk about Chinese threat while you stolen Crimea from Ukraine,and your neo-Nazi parties openly claim the north Kazakhstan,if we look at reality,the Russian threat is more real
Then do you know how many Africans in Guangzhou and Yiwu?How many Chinese in Africa?Chinese investment in Africa for economic reasons,not for migration,as the population issue grows,surely China will receive immigrants,not the otherwise
Kazakhstan has a close relation with China,and you can do nothing,you can spread the fake propagandas here,but can't change the fact

 

[vostok]

Lol Now you talk about Chinese threat while you stolen Crimea from Ukraine,and your neo-Nazi parties openly claim the north Kazakhstan,if we look at reality,the Russian threat is more real
Then do you know how many Africans in Guangzhou and Yiwu?How many Chinese in Africa?Chinese investment in Africa for economic reasons,not for migration,as the population issue grows,surely China will receive immigrants,not the otherwise
Kazakhstan has a close relation with China,and you can do nothing,you can spread the fake propagandas here,but can't change the fact

I do not see any Chinese threat, I see the fear of Kazakhstan to be assimilated by China in a couple of generations, if Kazakhstan will cease to be an ally of Russia.
Russia did not steal. Crimea back to Russia, because it was an old dream of the local people and they finally got the chance. And New Russia will be free, because it is the will of local people, who will never put up with the plans of pro-western puppets of Kiev to break away from Russia.
Nationalists also exist in China (and everywhere) and I am sure that they, too, want to take the land of neighbors - this is normal thing for nationalists.
New Russia and the Crimea to Russia - it's like Taiwan and Hong-Kong to China.

 

[sahaliyan]

I do not see any Chinese threat, I see the fear of Kazakhstan to be assimilated by China in a couple of generations, if Kazakhstan will cease to be an ally of Russia.
Russia did not steal. Crimea back to Russia, because it was an old dream of the local people and they finally got the chance. And New Russia will be free, because it is the will of local people, who will never put up with the plans of pro-western puppets of Kiev to break away from Russia.
Nationalists also exist in China (and everywhere) and I am sure that they, too, want to take the land of neighbors - this is normal thing for nationalists.
New Russia and the Crimea to Russia - it's like Taiwan and Kong Kong to China.

Lol With an independent government,the Kazakhstan can't be assimilated.Even the Chinese Kazakhs still keep their culture well,and they don't have "ov""ev" in their lastnames,so they keep more traditional Kazakh culture,also the eagle hunter still common in Altay region of China.Also as I point out,with the Chinese population declining,your so-called 20-30 million resettlement can not became true,there are many Chinese merchants in African and other parts,but thta's all,merchants can't be a majority in a country.
Kazakhstan has a free choice,they can have good relation to US,China,Iran,Turkey and Russia,if those relations can serve their interests,then others should be fine.

Also I against China take Taiwan by force,Crimea and Taiwan are different case,Crimea is international admitted Ukrainian land,while all the major counbtries include the USA don't accept Taiwan as an independent country
But even with that,a war between China and Taiwan is unaccept to me,Taiwanese people should have their own choice,and I hope China respect their choise

 

[vostok]

Lol With an independent government,the Kazakhstan can't be assimilated.Even the Chinese Kazakhs still keep their culture well,and they don't have "ov""ev" in their lastnames,so they keep more traditional Kazakh culture,also the eagle hunter still common in Altay region of China.Also as I point out,with the Chinese population declining,your so-called 20-30 million resettlement can not became true,there are many Chinese merchants in African and other parts,but thta's all,merchants can't be a majority in a country.
Kazakhstan has a free choice,they can have good relation to US,China,Iran,Turkey and Russia,if those relations can serve their interests,then others should be fine.

Tendency to reduce the number of Chinese can be changed for 1-2 generations, if such a need appear. Recently, there were almost no Chinese in Xinjiang, now they are becoming majority. And it is normal fact.
Kazakhstan - Russia's closest ally. Russia and Kazakhstan have common air defense system in the near future borders between states disappear. Integration of the Eurasian Union will be much more intense than that of the European Union, due to the common Soviet and Imperial past.

 

[Targon]

@vostok

Keep lying to yourself, people overthrow the president because he started being a Russian lapdog, most Ukrainians as well as most ethnic minorities supported the overthrow, its mostly ethnic Russians who oppose it.