'Kashmiris being converted to Hinduism' - Pakistan FO spokesman

[EgyptianAmerican]

Really can you google and let me how conversion to Hinduism takes place ??? Hindus dont belive in conversions
Can anyone share anyother link other then Pak sources ? conversion belongs to new relegion .. We are old and matured enough to pull such stunts to force other to convert to Hinduism

" Of course someone can convert to Hinduism. "

-Google

 

[Crixus]

How ....?

Just for you :
The Muley Jat of India[edit]
They are now found in the western parts of the state of Uttar Pradesh, mainly in the districts of Saharanpur, Muzaffarnagar, Meerut and Baghpat. In Baghpat District, they are found mainly in several villages near the town of Chaprauli. Important Muley Jat villages include Asara (more than 25000 population) in Baghpat District, and Sher Nagar (mussa) in Muzaffarnagar District.[citation needed]

The Hindu Muley Jats (also known as Naye Jat), who had recently converted to their ancestral faith (Hinduism), were not accepted by the larger Hindu Jat community for making marital relations and hence they intermarry within themselves.[3]

" Of course someone can convert to Hinduism. "

-Google

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

How ....?

Just for you :
The Muley Jat of India[edit]
They are now found in the western parts of the state of Uttar Pradesh, mainly in the districts of Saharanpur, Muzaffarnagar, Meerut and Baghpat. In Baghpat District, they are found mainly in several villages near the town of Chaprauli. Important Muley Jat villages include Asara (more than 25000 population) in Baghpat District, and Sher Nagar (mussa) in Muzaffarnagar District.[citation needed]

The Hindu Muley Jats (also known as Naye Jat), who had recently converted to their ancestral faith (Hinduism), were not accepted by the larger Hindu Jat community for making marital relations and hence they intermarry within themselves.[3]

That's one community. Sorry but the truth is that you can force someone to convert to Hinduism.

 

[Logicaldude]

In other related news, Yazidis sold ISIS female slaves today in open market in Raqqa.*


* source - Pakistan's foreign office

 

[Srinivas]

Attention grabbing attempt by Pakistan to get the support of their biraders in Middle East!

 

[Śakra]

That's one community. Sorry but the truth is that you can force someone to convert to Hinduism.

Oh really, so an egyptian knows more about our religion than we do? Please tell me more.

 

[MagicMarker]

That's one community. Sorry but the truth is that you can force someone to convert to Hinduism.

 

[Trumpcard]

As per your logic. You should also revert to your original ape form. Your journey took a start from there as per modern science.

Religion and human evolution are two different things!

 

[MagicMarker]

Ok. When they convert to Hinduism (forcefully), which hindu caste they will be???

Hinduism has no "caste" so they will not have any.

They will however retain their own "Jaathi".

and socially they will be "Dalits".

Does that answer all your questions ?

 

[RealNapster]

Religion and human evolution are two different things!

But the logic remains same.

BTW it was a reply to a "troll post". so better avoid it.

 

[MagicMarker]

Religion and human evolution are two different things!

NOt for him.

For him conversion from Hinduism into islam is "evolution"

Same goes for the christian american troll.

Attention grabbing attempt by Pakistan to get the support of their biraders in Middle East!

Such claims brings in both the Christian fanatics and the Islamic fanatics. You can see this from this thread itself.

Quite the entertainment to watch their butt hurt.

 

[mirage]

Ok. When they convert to Hinduism (forcefully), which hindu caste they will be???

bangladeshi

 

[MagicMarker]

You mean the religion their forefathers left on their own will?

Kashmirs converted on their own free will ?

Where have you been reading your history ? from the local madrassa ?

Spread of Islam in Kashmir based on sword and cohersion.

First Migration ZUL QADIR KHAN @ DULUCH, a Turkish Tartar reigned Kashmir for eight months In 1320 AD and resorted to loot and plunder of Hindus resulting in the death of many. He took 20,000 Kashmiris (then all hindus), including women and children, for sale as slaves in Turkistan but the whole lot perished in cold snow while crossing the ‘Devsar pass’ _ a place referred to as ‘BATA SAGAN’(Brahamans death oven). Jonaraja, a Kashmiri historian described the period as PRALAYA wherein rivers and streams turned red with human blood. Later, RINCHEN, a Bhuddist fugitive from Ladakh, seized power after deceitfully murdering Ram Chandra, the self proclaimed king. He was trickly converted by Bulbul Shah,another refugee from Turkistan, who was like RINCHEN granted refuge by king Sahdeva. The zealot convert assumed the name of Sadruddin and used brutal vigour and force for mass conversion. His campaign was incited, aided and abetted by Bulbul Shah, who advised the king to persecute and tyrannise the resistant hindus with all fair and foul means, like compulsion, taxation, unjust laws, use of sword and forcible inter-marriages. Rinchen’s rule lasted for brief period till his death in 1323 AD.

Second Migration During the rule of Sultan Qutub-ud-din (1373-89 AD), about 700 sayyids and a large number of sufi saints and Islamic scholars, accompanied by Ali Hamdani came to Kashmir from Persia and Central Asia, and successfully drew wedge between the majority hindus and minority converts to Islam. He prescribed model of hatred, distrust, intolerance and bigotry against Kashmiri hindus. Under dictates of Sayyids, Qutub-ud-din converted 37,000 hindus to Islam. Sultan Sikander (1389-1413 AD) notoriously known as SIKANDER BUT SHIKANI spread barbarim further on and issued an atrocious order, under the influence of Baihaqi Sayyids,led by Mohammad Hamdani son of Ali Hamdani, forbidding hindus from applying ‘tilak’ on their forehead and launched relentless campaign for conversion to Islam urged the hindus to opt for conversion or exile or death. The cleric urged him to wipe out infidelity root and brand. The two reinfoced Malik Saifuddin; a rabid neo- convert originally named, Suha Bhatta; who was appointed Chief Minister, to unleash a reign of terror against those resisting conversion. He threw into Dal Lake all the sacred books of the hindus. Seven maunds of sacred thread of the murdered hindus were also burnt. Many hindus migrated to various places in India ( after reaching KISHTWAR and BHADERWAH via Simthan pass ) through BHATTA WATH( present day Batote), path of the Bhattas, which Kashmiri hindus were then popularly referred to as. From this period onwards the predominance of Muslim population in the Kashmir Valley began.

This was, however, followed by a virtual golden period of peace, harmony and dignity during the rule of SULTAN ZAIN-UL-ABDIN @ BADSHAH (1420-70 AD), who was most tolerant and benevolent. Historian SRIVARA described the period “like the cooling sandal paste after the heat of summer in a desert had departed”. He allowed rebuilding of demolished temples , removed all restrictions against hindus, banned cow slaughter and killing of fish in ponds considered sacred by hindus. Above all BADSHAH recalled Hindus who had fled the Valley due to persecution and assigned them responsible positions on merit. He also got Hindu shastras as also Mahabharta translated into Persian.

Third Migration CHAKS, with well built body and wild nature, came to Valley from Dardistan area of Gilgit-Hunza region, and when SHAH MIR, a refugee forced to flee from SWAT, founded his Sultanate (1339-42 AD), he recruited Chaks in his army thus affording them a place of prominence. CHAKS were Shias by faith and adopted policy of conversion by coercion, loot, plunder and butchering of Kashmiri hindus. When Sultan Fateh Shah proclaimed himself as Ruler (1506-16 AD), he became a tool in the hands of intriguing SHAMS CHAK and his three friends, namely, Nusrat Raina, Sarhang Raina and Moosa Raina. Later Moosa Raina took over as Chief Minister from Shams Chak , and his Shia mentor named, Shams-ud-din Iraqi, hailing from Talish on the Caspian sea- an Islamic propagator and converter of non-believers- opened floodgates of repression, terror and cruelty with demolition of temples to erect mosques on their foundations. 24,000 Brahamans were converted to Islam during this period. In 1517 AD, Mohammad Shah appointed GHAZI CHAK, a Shia, as Chief Minister, who later founded the CHAK dynasty Rule in 1561 AD. He also gave no quarter and no time for recovery to the distressed Kashmiri hindus. He used to get 900 hindus beheaded every day for not having accepted Islam. He also ordered slaughter of 1,000 cows, whom hindus held as sacred, to wreck vengeance and shock them into accepting Islam. Hindus wearing sacred thread had to pay annual tax to CHAK Rulers. YAQUB CHAK, a rank communalist, even got hindus hauled up in their houses to roast them alive. Innumerable hindus left their homes and hearths and while fleeing a barrage of spiteful abuse was let loose to prevent their return to the land of their heritage.

This was followed by another spell of respite for hindus when Kashmir became a province of Mughal Empire. Emperor AKBER (1556-1605 AD) visited Valley thrice in 1589,1598 and1601 AD. He was admittedly highly tolerant and refrained from falling into the net of religious zeal. He never resoted to the policy of persecution and discrimination against hindus. Many hindus who had fled to safer places outside to save their lives, honour and dignity found conditions in their home land highly conducive for honourable return, of course shocked, to find their homes looted and plundered during the period of their absence.

Fourth Migration JAHANGIR’S (1605-27 AD) sectarian predilection and prejudices were clearly pronounced resulting in his shuffling his stances in dealing with Kashmiri hindus, who were forced to marry their daughters to Mughal Officers and Subedars.He disapproved and opposed matrimonial relations between Hindus and Muslims and declared that while a Hindu was debarred by law to marry a Muslim woman, the Muslims had all the license to marry a Hindu woman. ITQUAD KHAN, the Mughal Sardar further sullied Jahangir’s image by forcing the Hindus at gun point to get converted to Islam. He also tortured them by levying taxes. SHAH JEHAN (1627-58 AD) also contributed his bit by desecrating and demolishing a number of temples. AURANGZEB’S (1658-1707 AD) puritanical disposition did not go well with Kashmir. He visited the Valley once in 1665 AD. He appointed 14 atrocious Subedars who persued policy of Islamization. Notable among them was IFTEKHAR KHAN (1671-75 AD) for his cruelity of all sorts to leave Kashmiri Hindus no alternative but to embrace Islam or quit the homeland. A delegation of 500 Kashmiri Hindus led by KRIPA RAM, a learned person, called on SHRI GURU TEG BAHADUR to narrate the woeful tales of diabolical misrule of AURANGZEB patronized IFTEKHAR KHAN. The great saint from Punjab went to Delhi for redressal of Kashmiri Hindus grievances and got martyred by cunning AURANGZEB in 1675. Hence due to continued persecution including killings and desecration of temples the exodus continued unabated. Justice Jia Lal Kilam records in his ‘History of the Kashmiri Pandits’ (with due reference to the earlier histories written by Muslim historians like Fauq, Hassan and Azim Khan – the latter being reportedly an eye-witness of the episode) that “Muhatta Khan (who appeared on the scene towards the end of Mughal Rule) was credited with a deep knowledge of Islamic laws , somehow or other found fault with the policy followed by the Naib Subedar Mir Ahmed Khan towards the hindus and made it plain that ascendency of the hindus was intolerable from every point of view. He laid a prayer before the Subedar to the following effect that No Hindu should ride a horse, nor should he wear a shoe; they should not wear Jama ( an article of Mughal dress); they should not bear arms; they should not visit any garden; they should not have Tilak mark on their foreheads; and their children should not receive any education. The Subedar refused to agree to these proposals. But Muhatta Khan who was of a sterner stuff could not take this lying down and he took the law into his own hands and established his seat in a mosque wherefrom he issued orders in fucrtherance of his proposals. He gained huge following and his fans were deputed to harass and humiliate the Hindus in general. He issued an edict that whenever a Hindu is seen riding a horse, he should be pulled down, Tilak mark should be erased from his forehead and his turban and shoes should be snatched away. Besides, orders were issued that no Hindu should attend any school or visit a garden, nor should he wear decent dress and so on.This was a signal for a general rising and an orgy of loot, plunder and murder was let loose. Muhatta Khan soon over-powered the Subedar and assumed all powers of the State. Having done so, he ordered a systematic attack upon the Hindu areas. Hundreds of them were killed and maimed and most of them were looted and their houses burnt”.

fth Migration The AFGHAN RULE (1753-1820 AD) was ruthless and atrocious. The period under two upstarts, namely, LAL KHAN KHATTAK and FAQIR ULLAH was extremely tyrannical KHATTAK was given to insane rage and sometimes got the entire family killed on mere suspicion. He got hundreds of Hindus killed because he suspected his father had been killed at the instance of a Kashmiri Hindu noble, KAILASH DHAR, who was killed in broad day light in the court of the Shia Governor, AMIR KHAN JAWANSHER, at the instane of FAZAL KANTH, the diabolical son of FAQIR ULLAH, who was then Chief Minister. The episode left hindus alarmed, panicked, helpless and desperate resulting in their flight to safe shelters in Poonch and Kabul. The misrule touched lowest ebb under the Governorship of HAJI KARIM DAD KHAN and ASAD KHAN. For minor offences prople were tied in pairs and thrown into river.Women were sexually abused. The despotic ASAD KHAN got the belly of an outside surgeon cut, for failure to set right his eye, to verify his threat. ASAD assumed the title of NADIR SHAH II in 1784 AD. ATTA MOHD, another Afghan Governor, persecuted Hindus relentlessly and earned notoriety for his insatiable lust for beautiful Kashmiri women. Apprehensive Hindu parents got the good looks of their daughters sullied to evade attention of Governor’s agents. Anand Kaul Bamzie records in his book ‘The Kashmiri Pandit’, JABBAR KHAN, the last Afghan Governor who got killed at Shopian on july15, 1819 AD, was once told by some one that it was a common notion among the Pandits that snow falls invariably at the Shivratri night (13th day of the dark fortnight Phagun). To test this, he ordered that the Pandits should not observe this festival in Phagun (February-March) but in Har (June-July). Accordingly, it had to be observed on the corresponding night in the latter months. It so happened that even on that night flakes of snow, preceded by a heavy rainfall which had rendered the atmosphere very cold, fell. The bard then, mocking at him sang : ‘Wuchhton Yi Jabbar Jandah Haras ti karun vandah’ (Look at Jabbar, the wretch, even Har he turned into winter)”.

The capture of Kashmir by Sikhs marked the deliverance of the Kashmiri Hindus from the barbarous Afghan Governors. Pt BIRBAL DHAR’s political maturity paved the way for Maharaja RANJIT SINGH to establish SIKH RULE (1820-46 AD) in the Valley. The sounds of bells again started emanating from the temples. The Sikh rule was an era of peace for all. Some stray instances of harshness by the Sikh rulers apart, they were not cunning, cruel and fanatic religious zealots as their Muslim predecessors. Younghusband; a British Political Resident in Kashmir, who had travelled extensively in Kashmir and other areas around the Himalayas as also Central Asia/China; observed “ The Sikhs were no so barbarically cruel as the Afghans’ but they were hard and rough masters”.

Sixth Migration The last Governor of the Sikh Rule, IMAM-UD-DIN was made to surrender the possession of Kashmir to Raja GULAB SINGH in pursuance of the Treaty of Amritsar signed on March 16, 1846 AD. The Dogra dynasty lasted for a little over a century and saw four Maharajas, namely, GULAB SINGH (!846-57), RANBIR SINGH (1857-85), PARTAP SINGH (1885-1925) and HARI SINGH (1925-1952). The J&K State acceded to India on October 26, 1947, but the hereditary rule of the Dogras was abolished in 1952. In the wakw of the British Government’s pervasive and decisive intervention in the affairs of the State the period could well be called the Dogra-British rule rather than the Dogra rule alone. The British pursued their known policy of divide and rule and exploited the jealousy among the newly educated Muslim youth against the well educated Kashmiri Pandits to carve out a situation to set stage for desperate Muslim youth to enact scenes of violent political agitation. The KPs became a eyesore for the simple reason of their outshining others. SHEIKH ABDULLAH, then the most prominent leader of the Muslim Reading Room Group, minced no words to voice resentment and made provocative speeches in mosques resulting in Kashmiri Muslims repeating history of loot, arson and murder on July 13, 1931, a black day for Kashmiri Pandits, ironically celebrated by the local government and the Muslims as martyrs’ day even now. The frenzied mob went beserk and the Maharaja’s administration failed to protect the terrorized KPs, who were taken unawares.Thousands of KPs had to flee the Valley for life.

Seventh Migration The post independence period witnessed yet another spell of migration by the hapless KPs from Northern, Northwestern and Northeastern parts of Kashmir; to capital city of Srinagar in the wake of Pak raiders invasion in October, 1947 aided and abetted by the State of Pakistan ; where local zealots joined hands with hordes of savages from NWFP, except Srinagar and South Kashmir, behaving worse that their Afghan ancestors. Innumerable prominent KPs had to bid unwilling adieu to their land of birth due to ever dwindling and waning chances of livelihood despite merit, abolition of zamindari system that reduced thousands of KP owners as paupers owing to lack of due compensation as also discrimination of KP youth in matters of admission to higher education and technical /professional institutions. The process of slow exodus was further aggravated by the events like Relic agitation (1963) and forcible abduction and conversion of a hindu girl (1967).

Eighth Migration When G M SHAH @ GUL SHAH snatched political power from his estranged brother-in-law in 1984 he masterminded the construction of a mosque within the premises of New Secretariat at Jammu and provoked muslims in Srinagar (February 20, 1986) to communalise the situation to rebut the criticism of the valiant people of Jammu. He deliberately raised the bogey of ‘Islam Khatre Mein Hai’ that led to unleashing spree of desecration of hindus’ places of worship. MUFTI SYED, then President of the local Congress unit, patronized a crude and confirmed fundamentlist theologist, QAZI NISSAR of Soth Kashmir to spearhead a movement that led to level raising of the temples in the far and wide of Southern Kashmir and the consequent fear psychosis among KPs. This episode of 1986 made two things crystal clear that Kashmir was for muslims only and the slogan of Kashmiriat ( secularism with reference to Kashmir) was a farce. Looked from the historical perspective these events formed a link in the chain of persecution of of KPs over centuries in the past at the hands of muslims. Numerous KP families disposed of their immoveable properties and left the Valley for good.

Ninth Migration The happenings of the midnight of January 19/20, 1990 dealt the blow responsible for the current spell of forcible en masse migration of the Kashmiri Pandit community. This was followed by the ruthless public killings of over 300 people belonging to the miniscule minority throwin the whole community in a state of shock and continued mourning. This started with the exchange of five dreaded militants to secure release of Rubia; daughter of then Union Home Minister MUFTI SYED, whose secular and nationalist credentials were already suspect in the eyes of KPs; from the clutches of her kidnappers. Pakistan establishment was pursuing the policy of OP-TOPAC pronounced by then Pak President, Gen. ZIA-UL_HAQ in a Top Secret meeting at Islamabad in April, 1988. The indoctrinated Muslim youth were motivated to rally also muslims under the religious theme of Jehad to fight the enemy. The ‘holy’ war supposed to be against the infidels ruling Kashmir from New Delhi but a beginning was desired to be made with hitting the KPs labeling them as agents of India and branding them as traitors who had allegedly always stabbed local muslims in the back. As aptly observed by Prof K L Bhan in his book ‘Paradise Lost’, “No saner voice rose among the enlightened literate Kashmiri muslims, who sealed their lips, curbed their conscience and smothered their soul in astonishingly mysterious silence”.

 

[third eye]

But are our Pakistani Hindu brothers living in good conditions in Sindh or Christians of Punjab? We should work to make Hindus feel a part and parcel of Pakistan and give them immense respect.

Read what a TT thinks - Post no 7

 

[MagicMarker]

Bet nothings going to happen, worded softly and claimed. If anything, it will be added to a list of 'things happening in Kashmir'. Just send a horde of pigeons across the border, it will cause massive panic in India.

The Butt hurt is strong in this one.

Did jesus ask you to save some more pagan souls ?