Kashmiri Pundit : What was done to them by Kashmiri Muslims

[KRAIT]

@Armstrong Do you want me to post all the terrorist attacks done in Kashmir by hese so called freedom fighters. I have grown upp in daily news of bomb blasts in Kupwara, Doda, Poonch district etc. every single day and people dying.

Those terrorists have killed IA soldiers and Kashmiri people.

And why there has been bomb blasts and attack in Mumbai, Delhi, in Jaipur.

I don't expect you to agree with me, but tell me did you ever talked of Kashmiri Pundits ? Don't you care about Kashmiri Pundits ?

Good that you edited it, otherwise others also have right to draw analogy.
Anyway do you think that there was no problem in IOK before 89?

Well it started with Mujaheedins sent into Kashmir in 1947. Kashmir was a peaceful place. Tourism was in peak. But the things got worst after 1989 when Afghan war got over and Pakistan used those Mujaheedins to send them into Kashmir and then other parts of India.

I ask you too, has anyone in Pakistan have raised the issue of Kashmiri Pundits ?

 

[Spring Onion]

Because it was the terrorists and extremists back by Pakistan. Same people who are killing in your country.

You talk about Godhara everytime where Hindus and Muslims got killed.

Here it is Kashmiri Pandits mercilessly killed and made to leave their homeland.

And since then, after kicking Kashmiri Pandits, same terrorists started killing Kashmiri people in bomb blasts.

And now you say that during conflicts, society get persecuted, I agree, IA did some war crimes, but why don't see the root cause.

Those Afghan insurgents were sent by Pakistan.

SOME war crimes?

Bomai Killing, 2009, Gawakadal massacre, 2006 Kulgam massacre, Zakoora And Tengpora Massacre, 1990, Sopore massacre by Indian army and so on

 

[Armstrong]

@Armstrong Do you want me to post all the terrorist attacks done in Kashmir by hese so called freedom fighters. I have grown upp in daily news of bomb blasts in Kupwara, Doda, Poonch district etc. every single day and people dying.

Those terrorists have killed IA soldiers and Kashmiri people.

And why there has been bomb blasts and attack in Mumbai, Delhi, in Jaipur.

I don't expect you to agree with me, but tell me did you ever talked of Kashmiri Pundits ? Don't you care about Kashmiri Pundits ?


Well it started with Mujaheedins sent into Kashmir in 1947. Kashmir was a peaceful place. Tourism was in peak. But the things got worst after 1989 when Afghan war got over and Pakistan used those Mujaheedins to send them into Kashmir and then other parts of India.

I ask you too, has anyone in Pakistan have raised the issue of Kashmiri Pundits ?

All the more reason to substantiate those assertions !

And no I have not talked to a Kashmiri Pundit & no we haven't raised the issue of the Kashmiri Pundits because we have a different narrative on what happened there & we look with disbelief on any so-called facts or figures that come out of India & that is precisely why we ask you to make them credible by bringing in a neutral 3rd party tasked with separating facts from conjectures & evidence from opinions.

You guys don't want to do it - Fine...! But don't wave this in our faces & expect us to take them at face-value.

 

[KRAIT]

@Armstrong So how do you know about condition of Kashmiri Muslims but not Kashmiri Pundits ? People give me UNHRC, HRW, Amnestry International report, but when I give the same it is rejected saying that it is propaganda.

You don't approve of what UN says or decides.

Don't you wave this on our faces. Every day. Every single day. people like haviZsultan making wildest accusations of this and that happening in Kashmir.

How can we talk of unbias, and neutral party on Kashmir when its not in here.

All I am saying that when Indian and Pakistani posters talk about Kashmir, Kashmiri Pundits should also be considered as Kashmiris even if they are made to live a life of refugees.

I am pretty sure, this thread will be closed soon or deleted.

 

[Bratva]

@Armstrong Do you want me to post all the terrorist attacks done in Kashmir by hese so called freedom fighters. I have grown upp in daily news of bomb blasts in Kupwara, Doda, Poonch district etc. every single day and people dying.

Those terrorists have killed IA soldiers and Kashmiri people.

And why there has been bomb blasts and attack in Mumbai, Delhi, in Jaipur.

I don't expect you to agree with me, but tell me did you ever talked of Kashmiri Pundits ? Don't you care about Kashmiri Pundits ?


Well it started with Mujaheedins sent into Kashmir in 1947. Kashmir was a peaceful place. Tourism was in peak. But the things got worst after 1989 when Afghan war got over and Pakistan used those Mujaheedins to send them into Kashmir and then other parts of India.

I ask you too, has anyone in Pakistan have raised the issue of Kashmiri Pundits ?

It's the 3rd or 4th time you evaded the question. Was kashmir Peaceful in 89 or before and how come without Pakistan sending those so called mujhaddiens we saw 2010 protests?

 

[KRAIT]

SOME war crimes?
Bomai Killing, 2009, Gawakadal massacre, 2006 Kulgam massacre, Zakoora And Tengpora Massacre, 1990, Sopore massacre by Indian army and so on

Did you even saw that video. There are terrorist within Kashmir. You guys paint it as war crimes. First check what LeT and JeM did in Kashmir.

BTW what's your take o plight of Kashmiri Pundits ?

 

[Bratva]

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I am pretty sure, this thread will be closed soon or deleted.

When you are throwing wildest accusations without telling the root cause of events which led to the killing of kashmiri pundits and if Kashmiri pundits were killed before 89 or after 2004. Than surely this bias thread will be deleted.

 

[KRAIT]

It's the 3rd or 4th time you evaded the question. Was kashmir Peaceful in 89 or before and how come without Pakistan sending those so called mujhaddiens we saw 2010 protests?

Dude, Kashmir was relatively very peaceful .There was great Tourism industry. Tell me any major terrorist attack in Kashmir before 1989. In 1947 you sent Mujahideens and you have what it is called P-O-K. I am not evading question.

As for protest, the video already speaks out that there are bad apples in Kashmir too. That PLF leader has openly admitted killing Indian officers, Malik met Hafeez Saeed. There are extremists within Kashmir supported by Pakistan.

Now you answer my question, why 70,000 people got killed in Kashmir after 1989. And why did the killing reduced after WoT started ?

I can give you neutral and trusted sources.

Lets talk about what solution do you suggest for Kashmiri Pundits ? Should we rehabilitate in Kashmir ?

 

[Armstrong]

@Armstrong So how do you know about condition of Kashmiri Muslims but not Kashmiri Pundits ? People give me UNHRC, HRW, Amnestry International report, but when I give the same it is rejected saying that it is propaganda.

You don't approve of what UN says or decides.

Don't you wave this on our faces. Every day. Every single day. people like haviZsultan making wildest accusations of this and that. We are mocked, blamed, generalized, called names, and our dear mods, don't put a lid on them.

All I am saying that when Indian and Pakistani posters talk about Kashmir, Kashmiri Pundits should also be considered as Kashmiris even if they are made to live a life of refugees.

I am pretty sure, this thread will be closed soon or deleted.

When was the last time I called out an Indian on Kashmir ? I know what happened there....but I'm not asking you to believe it ! I, like everyone, have my opinions & my version of the truth but when did I ever put it forward as the unequivocal & incontrovertible truth ? I've always maintained that I believe that the Indian Army is involved in extra-judicial killings in Kashmir, that I wouldn't think it to be crazy if it ever came to light that a Security Apparatus that has a history of creating & supporting terrorist outfits from the Mukhti Bahini to the LTTE & some douche bags from within it who blow up trains & the sort, is involved in demonizing the Kashmiri Freedom Struggle by making them look like blood thirsty AL-Qaeeda wannabes thereby giving a severe blow to the Movement ! But I can't substantiate any of that & thats precisely why you don't see me creating threads on it or going ape sh*t on others about it !

Lets have an impartial, extensive & intensive inquiry to substantiate your claims & my fears ! Otherwise these are all just opinion....nothing more...nothing less & I could hardly send you to the gallows or vice versa simply on what is being 'said' as opposed to what do the 'facts say' !

 

[KRAIT]

When you are throwing wildest accusations without telling the root cause of events which led to the killing of kashmiri pundits and if Kashmiri pundits were killed before 89 or after 2004. Than surely this bias thread will be deleted.

The root cause is already mentioned when the Exodus started. It started after 1 year when Afghan war stopped. Tell me instances of terrorist attacks prior to 1989.

 

[KRAIT]

n 1987, the pro-India National Conference (NC) party won state elections marred by widespread fraud, violence, and arrests of members of a new, Muslim-based opposition coalition, leading to widespread unrest.

An armed insurgency against Indian rule gathered momentum after 1989, when militant groups linked to political parties assassinated several NC politicians and attacked government targets in the Kashmir Valley.

The militants included the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) and other pro-independence groups consisting largely of Kashmiris, as well as Pakistani-backed Islamist groups seeking to bring Kashmir under Islamabad's control.


As the violence escalated, New Delhi placed Jammu and Kashmir under federal rule in 1990 and attempted to quell the mass uprising by force. By the mid-1990s, the Indian army had greatly weakened the JKLF, which abandoned its armed struggle in 1994.

The armed insurgency has since been dominated by Pakistani-backed extremist groups, which include non-Kashmiri fighters from elsewhere in the Muslim world. Although opposition parties joined together to form the All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) in 1993, they boycotted the 1996 state elections, and the NC was able to form a government under party leader Farooq Abdullah.

In 2000, Hizbul Mujahideen, the largest armed group in Kashmir, initiated a dialogue with the Indian government. However, after the talks broke down and a summit held in 2001 failed to resolve India and Pakistan's differences over Kashmir, militants again stepped up their attacks.

Though fighting continued, the number of casualties from militant attacks or actions by security forces steadily declined after the 2002 elections, as relations between the Indian government and moderate Kashmiri separatist groups improved.

UNHCR | Refworld | Freedom in the World 2009 - Kashmir [India]

In June 2005. At this gathering and a later meeting with Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh in September 2005, the moderate APHC leaders reiterated their renunciation of violence and called for Kashmiris to become more deeply involved in the negotiating process.

However, the latter desire was hampered by an emerging split within the APHC between hard-liners, who favor a continuation of the insurgency, and moderates, who favor a political solution.

In 2007, as militants launched a grenade attack against the headquarters of the moderate bloc in January, and the two factions clashed in the streets of Srinagar in August.

While tensions between moderate and hardliners continued in 2008, there were no further reports of related violence

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,ANNUALREPORT,IND,,4a6452aa2d,0.html

 

[Armstrong]

@KRAIT : You forgot to mention this :

Disclaimer : This is not a UNHCR publication. UNHCR is not responsible for, nor does it necessarily endorse, its content. Any views expressed are solely those of the author or publisher and do not necessarily reflect those of UNHCR, the United Nations or its Member States.

 

[Spring Onion]

Did you even saw that video. There are terrorist within Kashmir. You guys paint it as war crimes. First check what LeT and JeM did in Kashmir.

BTW what's your take o plight of Kashmiri Pundits ?

Mas graves in Indian Occupied Kashmir. International Human Rights reports indicate killing of innocent Kashmiris by Indian army is more than war crimes.

As far as the Kashmiri Pundits are concerned The Indian proxy "freedom fighters" who infiltrated Real Kashmiri Freedom groups for covert operation against Kashmiris have killed and raped not only kashmiris and their women but also committed crimes against Kashmiri pundits to malign Kashmir freedom struggle and Kashmiri freedom fighters.

There were even allegations of Indian army commiting the crimes against pundist to later blame these on freedom fighters.

 

[KRAIT]

@Armstrong

LeT and JeM are terrorist organizations and even banned by Pakistan. They were founded and supported by Pakistan before they gt banned.

They are like Al-Qaeda Wannabes.

As for extra-judicial killings, aren't Pakistan Army and ISI doing it Pakistan, so why single out Indian Army. Of course, in conflicts , these things happen. Is it a big surprise for you ?

And spare me Holier than Thou Pakistan Army. You know why Mukti Bahini formed.

Mas graves in Indian Occupied Kashmir. International Human Rights reports indicate killing of innocent Kashmiris by Indian army is more than war crimes.As far as the Kashmiri Pundits are concerned The Indian proxy "freedom fighters" who infiltrated Real Kashmiri Freedom groups for covert operation against Kashmiris have killed and raped not only kashmiris and their women but also committed crimes against Kashmiri pundits to malign Kashmir freedom struggle and Kashmiri freedom fighters.There were even allegations of Indian army commiting the crimes against pundist to later blame these on freedom fighters.

Leave. You are one of those Conspiracy theorists. You think Kashmiri Muslims are not extremists.

 

[KRAIT]

@KRAIT : You forgot to mention this :
Disclaimer : This is not a UNHCR publication. UNHCR is not responsible for, nor does it necessarily endorse, its content. Any views expressed are solely those of the author or publisher and do not necessarily reflect those of UNHCR, the United Nations or its Member States.

It has to be done for official purpose. But they accept this article to put it on their website. Disclaimer is always put on such articles.

BTW Did you read the article ?