Kashmiri Pundit : What was done to them by Kashmiri Muslims

[Black Widow]

Good old indian propaganda... "Mulla Radio (Madarsa) started announcing rape of Hindu women".......you rigged the elections in kashmir and then shoot dead unarmed protesters that led to the uprising which opened a door for pakistan who wanted payback for bangladesh.
Its of you all making.




Well they can hurt the muslims in kashmir as much as the muslims can hurt the hindus in gujrat.



What do you indians call arundhati roy



So in 47-65 there was no indian army in kashmir........who where the pakistans fighting then?



The kashmiri hindus are bound to side with there indian brethen...its only natural.

We rigged election so Muslims will rape KPs. What an idiotic logic. Lalloo yadav (Messiah of Muslim) rigged election, did Hindus start raping Muslims daughter. Malpractice is part of democracy, 5 year later Public punish the cheater.

Bhutoo killed , your Kashmiri Muslim started raping KPs. Election rigged, your Muslims started raping Hindus. What a logic.. Such logic may hold value in Pakistan not India.

Don't bring Gujrat, if you don't know the truth. When you guys get out opf logic start bringing Gujrat, RamJanm Bhoomi etc. Soon you will start talking of CIA, FSA, MI4, RAW and 9/11. talk about KPs, why Muslims and Mulla radio threaten KPs??

Arundhati roy has much respect in India, don't bring her here. Some faction of society don't like her, but yet she has right to put her view. We Indian don't mark "Kaffir" those who disagree.

What are u talking man???? Indian Army were in Barrack or LoC, not in Vally, ask your father, He might tell you truth. Your Mulla teacher may not tell the truth. Yes During war to defend villages, Army do come to village.

Show me a single incident where KPs conspire against Mussalman..

Question remain unanswered, Why KPs were tortured, why Muslims running brothel in KPs houses,... Watch the video, once at least you should listen to other party as well..

 

[KRAIT]

@dabong1 @Developereo This thread is about Kashmiri Pundits which you guys clearly don't care. Watch the video how suddenly neighbors turned hostile and Millions had to leave their homes.

You guys care just about Muslims. You can't live with Hindus that's why you created your own nation.
@dabong1 What thousands of Muslim women raped are you talking about. Give some facts and figures.

Problem is after 1990, all these Muslims turned against Hindus and openly threatened them. Then you started sending terrorists which has resulted in deaths of 70,000 people.

If Indian Army was there since 1947, why suddenly people started dying ? You guys cry foul everywhere whereas people in your country are killed. You talk about Indian Muslims but forget Pakistani Hindus and what you did to them.

Stick to Kashmiri Pundits issue. Don't take this thread over same victim card you guys always play for Muslims. Don't Kashmiri Pundits have rights to live in their homes in Kashmir. Shouldn't be they rehabilitated ?

Doesn't Kashmiri Pundits deserve their rights ?

 

[Black Widow]

Once again, if you set aside emotions and look at the issue in the context of similar situations around the world, it's not difficult to understand.

The two communities had been co-existing peacefully for centuries, even through the 1947 partition. Now, all of a sudden, the mistrust mushroomed and violence happened. So, what changed?

The answer is the heightened separatist movement and the Indian Army's handling of the situation, with rampant human rights abuses. The community had divided loyalties, and that division inevitably led to mistrust, culminating in violence.

We can discuss this later, Much before English came to India, India was under control of Maratha. Some pockets were ruled by Muslims. Muslims never considered India as there country. Infact Muslim never participated in Freedom struggle.

From Punjab and Bengal (two Muslim majority area) Not a single Muslim revolutionary born. Muslims were with Angrez, they never fought for freedom (though some exception were there)..

I can discuss this issue for days, I have read Muslim history in detail, But that is not the topic here...


Big Question is "You all know what it is"..

Once again, if you set aside emotions and look at the issue in the context of similar situations around the world, it's not difficult to understand.

The two communities had been co-existing peacefully for centuries, even through the 1947 partition. Now, all of a sudden, the mistrust mushroomed and violence happened. So, what changed?

The answer is the heightened separatist movement and the Indian Army's handling of the situation, with rampant human rights abuses. The community had divided loyalties, and that division inevitably led to mistrust, culminating in violence.

We can discuss this later, Much before English came to India, India was under control of Maratha. Some pockets were ruled by Muslims. Muslims never considered India as there country. Infact Muslim never participated in Freedom struggle.

From Punjab and Bengal (two Muslim majority area) Not a single Muslim revolutionary born. Muslims were with Angrez, they never fought for freedom (though some exception were there)..

I can discuss this issue for days, I have read Muslim history in detail, But that is not the topic here...


Big Question is "You all know what it is"..

 

[KS]

The two communities had been co-existing peacefully for centuries, even through the 1947 partition. Now, all of a sudden, the mistrust mushroomed and violence happened. So, what changed?.

Historically there has been seven (forced) migrations in the last 700 odd years when Islam first came to the Kashmir Valley.

This is the seventh migration and hence in that context not everything was hunky dory long before the Indian Army even came into existence
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Pandits & Migrations | Kashmir As It Is

What changed was this was the first time the Kashmiri Muslims got the fear of God instilled in them for persecuting the Hindu Pandits.

 

[Contrarian]

What changed was this was the first time the Kashmiri Muslims got the fear of God instilled in them for persecuting the Hindu Pandits.

How ? .....

 

[Developereo]

@dabong1 @Developereo This thread is about Kashmiri Pundits which you guys clearly don't care. Watch the video how suddenly neighbors turned hostile and Millions had to leave their homes.

We are discussing the subject and the premise that neighbors suddenly turned hostile. There was nothing sudden about it. It was the inevitable result of the mistrust which built up between the communities and the reasons for that buildup.

Historically there has been seven (forced) migrations in the last 700 odd years when Islam first came to the Kashmir Valley.

This is the seventh migration and hence in that context not everything was hunky dory long before the Indian Army even came into existence
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Pandits & Migrations | Kashmir As It Is

What changed was this was the first time the Kashmiri Muslims got the fear of God instilled in them for persecuting the Hindu Pandits.

Since that propaganda site tells the story of 20th century history so lopsidedly, it's hard to fully trust the details of any of the earlier claims. This is not to deny that persecution happened, but the site itself shows that the episodes of persecution were directly tied to specific rulers, not the community as a whole.

In any case, what we are discussing here are the events of the late 20th century and their context.

 

[Developereo]

Muslims were with Angrez, they never fought for freedom (though some exception were there)..

The apprehension of Muslims vis-a-vis living in a Hindu majority country are a separate topic and you are right that we shouldn't discuss it here.

 

[KRAIT]

@Developereo Hindus and Muslims always had trust issues at many places. But does this mistrust a right reason to ask Pundits to leave. kill them and threaten to rape their women and occupying their houses ?

Baloch also have problems with rest of the Pakistan. They don't trust you. Would you allow them to kick out all the other people ?

I am certain you haven't watched the video completely.

BTW again, why sudden migration of millions of Pundits ? What was the reason according to you ? Who gave the right of Kashmiri Muslims to ask Pundits to leave ? Not all were involved, just a certain section of Muslim population who did this.

Then you poured in your weapons and terrorists. Tell me why the number of terrorist attacks suddenly started increasing in 1990s, then started decreasing since WoT started ?

Why don't you accept that Kashmiri people got killed by terrorists sent by you ? You are doing air raids in your country, 62 alleged terrorists got killed, why don't you say that they weren't all terrorists, they were innocent ? If we kill terrorists, you say they were innocent, but if you kill your own terrorist, then its good job done.

Don't apply your double standards here.


BTW do you know where the word "Kashmir" comes from ?

 

[Developereo]

@Developereo Hindus and Muslims always had trust issues at many places. But does this mistrust a right reason to ask Pundits to leave. kill them and threaten to rape their women and occupying their houses ?

Where do you see anyone justifying what happened? Of course it was wrong.

We are merely discussing this "suddenly" part of the claim.

 

[KRAIT]

Where do you see anyone justifying what happened? Of course it was wrong.We are merely discussing this "suddenly" part of the claim.

That's the whole point, why suddenly, millions of Kashmiri Pundits have to leave their homes ? Whom do you blame ?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Ahh **** it

 

[Developereo]

That's the whole point, why suddenly, millions of Kashmiri Pundits have to leave their homes ? Whom do you blame ?

It was "sudden" in the same way that a dam breaks -- pressure (of mistrust) building up to a breaking point.

As for blame, it goes to everyone who contributed by their actions to the general buildup of mistrust. All sides suffered and bad things happen in war.

While it may be simplistic to claim that Kashmiri Muslims went rampant "suddenly", the fact is that they, too, were being brutalized by the (Hindu) Indian Army. Everything is interconnected, you can't take events in isolation.

 

[KRAIT]

@Developereo Hindu Indian Army, Are you kidding ? Dude, Indian Army has saved Muslims even in riots, leave aside terrorist attacks. We have lost 10,000 soldiers too.

Remember few comparison :

The Victim Nation | Soldiers Killed | Civilians killed

India(1989-present) | 10,000 | 70,000

Pakistan (2001-present) | 5,000 | 40,000

In both cases, there was been extrajudicial killings, war crimes, bodies dumped in isolation etc.

So tell me, why you have one problem which you clearly define as "terrorism" and other as "freedom fight".

 

[Developereo]

@Developereo Hindu Indian Army, Are you kidding ? Dude, Indian Army has saved Muslims even in riots, leave aside terrorist attacks. We have lost 10,000 soldiers too.

Remember few comparison :

The Victim Nation | Soldiers Killed | Civilians killed

India(1989-present) | 10,000 | 70,000

Pakistan (2001-present) | 5,000 | 40,000

In both cases, there was been extrajudicial killings, war crimes, bodies dumped in isolation etc.

So tell me, why you have one problem which you clearly define as "terrorism" and other as "freedom fight".

We are talking about the situation in Kashmir which involves Kashmiri Muslims v/s Indian Army. Whatever the Indian Army does elsewhere is not relevant to this situation.

Also, there is no confusion between terrorism and freedom fighting. Targeting civilians is terrorism, no matter who does it, even an army. Targeting an army is not terrorism, again no matter who does it.

 

[KRAIT]

We are talking about the situation in Kashmir which involves Kashmiri Muslims v/s Indian Army. Whatever the Indian Army does elsewhere is not relevant to this situation. Also, there is no confusion between terrorism and freedom fighting. Targeting civilians is terrorism, no matter who does it, even an army. Targeting an army is not terrorism, again no matter who does it.

So what if I tell you that innocent where killed by Bomb blasts and terrorist attack in name of freedom fight. Should I call Mumbai attack, Mumbai local train blasts, etc. a freedom fight ?

BTW how can you accuse IA for religious biasedness ?