Kashmir, the “Final” solution!

[manga]

This is one BS thread.

 

[prashantazazel]

Never smart to give up land. At max, we should allow people to permanently migrate.
It is better to wait for a few decades and make these borders irrelevant.

 

[HalfMoon]

Never smart to give up land. At max, we should allow people to permanently migrate.
It is better to wait for a few decades and make these borders irrelevant.

It is not like people are being forced to live in India. They always had and have the freedom to leave.

Kashmir issue is not about people. It is about land and resources.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Good news.

 

[HalfMoon]

Good news.

The proposal is still being reviewed by Pakistan. Need to wait for the final response/agreement. There is concerns that hawks on Pakistani side may ask for plebiscite in the entire J&K instead of limiting just to the valley.

This is one BS thread.

Check this

This shows you do not know what actually happens in Indian politics. Time to change your country flags.

Rather than calling me names and trying to malign me, why don't you answer this.

Even Swamy is asing questions now.

Am out of here, this is a troll thread. Waste of time.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1067018144814850048

There is only one final solution. Gilgit-Baltistan is ceded back to India and becomes a part of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. Azad Kashmir can be declared an independent country, with Muzaffarabad as its capital.

Former Norway PM Visits Kashmir, Azad Kashmir, Omar Abdullah Asks Why

Norway has a long history of conflict resolution and Kjell Magne Bondevik had played a key role in the resolution of the conflict with Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka a few years ago.
All India | Edited by Anindita Sanyal | Updated: November 26, 2018 23:18 IST

Kjell Magne Bondevik's (Centre) visit has triggered controversy.


NEW DELHI:
The visit of a former Norwegian Prime Minister to Kashmir Valley and his meetings with leaders of Hurriyat has triggered controversy. In a highly unusual step, Kjell Magne Bondevik - invited through the organization of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar -- met Hurriyat leaders Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Syed Ali Shah Gilani last week. He is currently in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and has met its "President" Masood Khan in Muzaffarabad.

Norway has a long history of conflict resolution and Mr Bondevik had played a key role in the resolution of the conflict with Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka a few years ago.

India considers Kashmir a bilateral issue and for more than five years, the government has not allowed any foreign envoy to visit the Kashmir Valley or meet any separatist leader.

Mr Bondevik's visit on both sides of the Line of Control comes days after the go-ahead to the Kartarpur corridor, that will give Sikh pilgrims from India access to the Gurdwara Kartarpur Sahib in Pakistan. Sources in the foreign ministry and the Norwegian embassy have told NDTV they were not involved with Mr Bondevik's visit in any way.

Earlier today, Omar Abdullah tweeted, "What are the Norwegians up to in Kashmir? Would either @SushmaSwaraj ji or Doval ji care to put the visit of the former Norwegian PM to both sides of the divided state in the correct context or do we have to rely on rumours & conjecture?"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1065852373799718912

— Mirwaiz Umar Farooq (@MirwaizKashmir) November 23, 2018
In a statement, Hurriyat said the Norwegian delegation had assured the separatist leaders that "they would use their good offices to ensure that a sustained and result-oriented dialogue between India and Pakistan" for an "amicable solution" on Kashmir, reported news agency Press Trust of India.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/for...r-pakistan-occupied-kashmir-omar-abdu-1953721

 

[HalfMoon]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1067014884859117568

Everyone is reporting now.

Norway ex-PM's trip fuels Valley theory
Kjell Magne Bondevik met top separatist leaders in the Valley, then went to Azad Kashmir

By Muzaffar Raina in Srinagar

• Published 27.11.18, 4:13 AM
• Updated 27.11.18, 4:13 AM

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Former Norwegian Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik visited Azad Kashmir on Sunday after a weekend meeting with separatist leaders in the Valley, raising questions over whether the surprise tour either side of the border was a mediation effort backed by New Delhi.

Bondevik, who had negotiated between the Sri Lankan government and LTTE rebels, met top Hurriyat leaders in Srinagar on Friday.

He visited Muzaffarabad on Sunday where he met Azad Kashmir President Masood Khan and Hurriyat leaders based in Azad Kashmir.

The Narendra Modi government has been fiercely opposed to any foreign mediation on Kashmir as well as talks with Pakistan and Kashmiri separatists.

Former Jammu and Kashmir chief minister Omar Abdullah on Monday asked foreign minister Sushma Swaraj or national security adviser Ajit Doval to put Bondevik’s trip “in the correct context”.

“What are the Norwegians up to in Kashmir?” Omar tweeted. “Would either @SushmaSwaraj ji or Doval ji care to put the visit of the former Norwegian PM to both sides of the divided state in the correct context or do we have to rely on rumours & conjecture?”

Bondevik had on Sunday addressed a joint media conference with Azad Kashmir president Khan where he expressed concern over growing human rights violations in the Valley and called for a peaceful resolution of the Kashmir dispute.

Khan on Monday released pictures of his meeting with the visiting dignitary and the Azad Kashmir administration threw a reception in Bondevik’s honour at the presidential secretariat in Muzaffarabad.

Bondevik, whose second term as Norway’s Prime Minister ended in 2005, now heads the Oslo Centre for Peace and Human Rights.

A separatist leader in Srinagar said a representative of Art of Living Foundation founder Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, who is close to the BJP-led government at the Centre, accompanied the visiting dignitary on his visit to Srinagar on Friday.

The meeting took place at Hurriyat hawk Syed Ali Shah Geelani’s residence where moderate Hurriyat chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq joined them.

The separatist source said it was the first time that any foreign dignitary had been allowed to meet any separatist leader in the four-and-a-half years the BJP has been in power at the Centre.

“Without New Delhi’s approval, it is difficult to hold any such meet. Now that he (Bondevik) has gone to Azad Kashmir (Azad Kashmir), it seems the initiative is backed by both countries,” he said.

The Mirwaiz had earlier said they had a fruitful meeting with Bondevik, adding that Norway is known for playing a constructive role in resolving conflicts across the globe.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/indi...is-delhi-backing-mediation-effort/cid/1676713

Norway’s ex-PM concerned over rights violations in IOK
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AJK President meets Former Prime Minister of Norway, Kjell Magne Bondevik in Muzaffarabad. PHOTO: NNI

MUZAFFARABAD: Former prime minister of Norway Kjell Magne Bondevik on Sunday visited Muzaffarabad and discussed the latest situation of Indian Occupied Kashmir with Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) President Sardar Masood Khan.

Bondevik, who visited Azad Kashmir on the invitation of President Masood, had just returned from a visit to Indian Occupied Kashmir, where he met top Hurriyat leaders Syed Ali Shah Geelani and Mirwaiz Umar Farooq at Geelani’s residence in Srinagar.

Bondevik briefed the AJK president about his visit to IOK and meeting with the Joint Resistance Leadership.

Portuguese parliament ‘to discuss UN report on Kashmir’

Referring to a report of the United Nations Human Rights Commission, he expressed grave concern over growing incidents of human rights violations in IOK.

He said that peaceful settlement of the Kashmir issue through dialogue and other means was imperative for lasting peace and stability in the region. He expressed his wish that all the parties to the Kashmir dispute, including representatives of Kashmiri people, sit together to find an amicable solution to the seven decades old conflict.

During his meeting with Norway’s leader, President Masood Khan said that the grim situation in IOK required a diplomatic and political initiative by the international community to end the suffering of the Kashmiri people.

“Diplomacy can help us bridge divides and come to an understanding on a just and lasting resolution of the Kashmir dispute,” the AJK president said and added that the UN Security Council Resolution on the Kashmir Dispute adopted under chapter 6 of the United Nations Charter outlined the modalities for a peaceful settlement of the issue.

The president said that the unresolved Kashmir dispute was a danger to regional and international peace and security and, therefore, resort to negotiations, mediation and observation was important to break the current deadlock.

“The unresolved dispute of Jammu and Kashmir poses a serious threat to peace and security and therefore, the UN Security Council cannot leave Kashmir in the lurch. It must step forward to reactivate a mechanism for the implementation of the resolution that calls for a plebiscite in Kashmir,” he emphasised.

Kashmir, he said, was not just a legal dispute about territory; it is about the political destiny and future of the people of Jammu and Kashmir.

President Masood Khan went on to say that Pakistan and Azad Kashmir welcomed the former Norwegian prime minister’s keen interest in resolving the dispute and assured him of full support to his initiative.

Controversial remarks on Pakistan, Occupied Kashmir land Shahid Afridi in hot water

“We welcome initiatives made in good faith,” he said. “Norway has a long history of constructive and impartial diplomacy and we do hope that the country will play a role in peaceful settlement of Kashmir dispute too,” President Khan said and praised Bondevik for this role as peacemaker.

He said that Kashmiris strongly believed that there was no military solution to the issue and India would have to sit across the table with Pakistan and genuine representatives of Kashmiri people to work out modalities for peaceful settlement of the dispute.

Bondevik also held a meeting with representatives of the AJK Chapter of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference and visited the Line of Control (LoC).

Published in The Express Tribune, November 26th, 2018.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1854316/1-norways-ex-pm-concerned-rights-violations-iok/

Ex-Norwegian PM assured of support in resolution of Kashmir issue
Tariq NaqashNovember 26, 2018
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MUZAFFARABAD: Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) President Sardar Masood Khan has described former Norwegian premier Kjell Magne Bondevik as a peacemaker and assured him of full support for his initiative to get the longstanding Kashmir dispute resolved peacefully.

“We welcome the initiatives made in good faith,” said the AJK president during a meeting with Mr Bondevik here on Sunday.

“Norway has a long history of constructive and impartial diplomacy and we hope that Oslo will also play a role in peaceful settlement of the Kashmir dispute,” added Mr Khan.

He said that Kashmiris strongly believed that there was no military solution to the Kashmir issue and that India would have to sit across the table with Pakistan and genuine representatives of the Kashmiri people to work out modalities for a peaceful settlement of the festering dispute.

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Mr Bondevik, who undertook a visit to India-held Kashmir prior to visiting Azad Jammu and Kashmir on the invitation of Mr Khan, shared with the latter details of his interaction with Syed Ali Shah Geelani and Mirwaiz Umar Farooq in Srinagar.

Mr Khan told the visiting leader that the grim situation in held Kashmir required diplomatic and political initiative by the international community to end the suffering of the Kashmiri people.

“Diplomacy can help us bridge the divide and come to an understanding on a just and lasting resolution of the Kashmir dispute,” said Mr Khan, adding that the United Nations Security Council resolution on Kashmir adopted under Chapter 6 of the United Nations Charter outlined the modalities for a peaceful settlement of the dispute.

The president said the unresolved Kashmir dispute endangered regional and international peace and security and, therefore, recourse to negotiation, mediation and observation was important to break the current deadlock.

Speaking on the occasion, Mr Bondevik expressed serious concern over the growing incidents of human rights violations in India-held Kashmir, while referring to the report of UN Human Rights Commission on the region.

He said that peaceful settlement of the Kashmir issue through dialogue and other means was imperative for lasting peace and stability in the region.

He expressed his wish that all parties to the dispute, including representatives of the Kashmiri people, sit together to find an amicable solution to the seven-decade-old conflict.

Mr Bondevik also held a meeting with the representatives of the Azad Jammu and Kashmir chapter of All Parties Hurriyat Conference.

Published in Dawn, November 26th, 2018


https://www.dawn.com/news/1447712

 

[Adonis]

THE WHOLE OF KASHMIR WILL BE PAKISTANS SOON ENOUGH AND SOME PARTS OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY India. Hindus will not defeat Muslims in battle, the maggots that they are.

Wake up Mate!!... The definition of battle has changed with time. It is no longer fought face-to-face but is "managed" covertly, using economics and influence as weapons. Muslims are losing the modern battle all over the world as are made to fight amongst themselves and destroy each other. Iraq-Iran, Iran-Saudi, Middle east, Kurd-Turks-ISIS etc etc.....Brain power is far superior that Muscle power.

Now on Hindu vs Muslims.....look around in your country, compare with 10 and 20 and 30 years back.....Battle is ON and needless to say who is winning.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Modi is trying to solve the issue peacefully.

Jammu goes to India.

AJK, GB & Kashmir valley gets to choose to join Pakistan or remain independent.

Norway is negotiating this deal.



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Former Prime Minister of Norway KjellMagneBondevik Sunday visited Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistan-administered Kashmir, and discussed the “latest situation” in Jammu and Kashmir with the PaK president Sardar Masood Khan. Bondevik, who visited PaK on the invitation of Masood, visited Srinagar on Friday where he met top Hurriyat leaders including Syed Ali Geelani and Mirwaiz Umar Farooq.

Bondevik briefed Khan about his visit to Srinagar and a meeting with the Joint Resistance Leadership there.


Khan told the visiting dignitary that the “grim situation in Kashmir requires diplomatic and political initiatives by the international community to end the sufferings of the Kashmiri people”.

“Diplomacy can help bridge divides and come to an understanding on a just and lasting resolution on the Kashmir dispute,” Khan said, adding that a UN Security Council resolution on the Kashmir dispute, adopted under chapter 6 of the UN Charter, outlines the modalities for the “pacific settlement of the dispute”.

Khan said the unsettled Kashmir dispute is a “danger to the regional and international peace and security and, therefore, negotiation, mediation, and observation are important to break the current deadlock”.

“The unresolved dispute of Jammu and Kashmir poses a serious threat to peace and security and therefore the UNSC cannot leave Kashmir in the lurch. It must step in to reactivate mechanisms for implementation of the UNSC resolution that calls for plebiscite in Kashmir,” he said.

Kashmir, he said, was “not just a legal dispute about territory, it is about the political destiny and future of the people of Jammu and Kashmir”.

“Pakistan and Azad Kashmir (PaK) welcome former Norwegian Prime Minister’s keen interest in the resolution of the dispute of Jammu and Kashmir and assures full support to his initiative,” he said.

“We welcome initiatives made in good faith”, he said.

Norway had a long history of constructed and impartial diplomacy and we do hope that the country will play a role in peaceful settlement of the Kashmir dispute, Khan said and praised Bondevik for this “role as peacemaker”.

Masood said that Kashmiris strongly believe that there is no military solution to Kashmir and “India will have to sit across the table with Pakistan and genuine representatives of Kashmiri people to work out modalities for a peaceful settlement of the dispute”.

Speaking on the occasion, Bondevik while referring a report of the UNHRC expressed his grave concerned over “growing incidents of human rights violations in Kashmir”, according to officials.

He said that peaceful settlement of Kashmir issue through dialogues and other means is imperative for lasting peace and stability in the region.

“He expressed his wish that all the parties to the Kashmir dispute including representatives of Kashmiri people must sit together to find an amicable solution to it,” officials said.

Bondevik also held a meeting with representatives of All Parties Hurriyat Conference (AJK Chapter) and discussed matters relating to Kashmir dispute, and visited the Line of Control (LoC).

https://m.greaterkashmir.com/news/p...ets-pak-president-in-muzaffarabad/304171.html




Jammu and Kashmir: Former Norway PM makes surprise visit to separatist Hurriyat leaders
By: FE Online | Published: November 25, 2018 12:05 PM
Former Norwegian prime minister Kjell Magne Bondevik paid a surprise visit to the top separatist leaders of Jammu and Kashmir on Friday, The Indian Express reported.

Separatist leader Mirwaiz said they welcomed Bondevik’s initiative. (Express File Photo)
Former Norwegian prime minister Kjell Magne Bondevik paid a surprise visit to the top separatist leaders of Jammu and Kashmir on Friday, The Indian Express reported. Bondevik met top Hurriyat leaders Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Syed Ali Shah Geelani at Geelani’s residence in Hyderpora. The meeting was also facilitated by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar’s Art of Living.

The visit came days after India and Pakistan decided to open up the Kartarpur corridor for the Sikh pilgrims.

Mirwaiz Umar Farooq told Indian Express that they received a call from him, only a day before. He said, “This is the first time we are meeting foreign dignitaries, in years. So far, New Delhi never allowed such visits before, and as of recently, foreign diplomats are also reluctant to meet us.”

“A representative of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar’s Art of Living had accompanied the PM, and it is clear that the visit was only possible after a go-ahead from the Indian government itself,” he added.

Bondevik told the Hurriyat leaders that the main purpose of his visit was to access the ground scenario in Kashmir and listen to their viewpoints. “We don’t know yet what will be the outcome of this visit, but we hope this will lead to a meaningful discussion between the two countries,” Farooq said, mentioning the opening of Kartarpur corridor as a positive effect.

Mirwaiz Umar Farooq also mentioned how the relationship between India and Pakistan have hit a wall, and the two need outside help to bring it back on track. Bondevik reportedly will also hold talks with officials in Delhi, and then head to Pakistan where he will visit Azad Kashmir.

Welcoming Bondevik’s initiative, Mirwaiz told Indian Express that the former Nerwign PM told them, how the two countries need assistance with this issue as there is no positive development in the last four or five years.

The Hurriyat leaders also reportedly told Bondevik, “the dispute needs to be resolved peacefully, and the violence has to stop.”

“If only India and Pakistan are willing to resolve the dispute on Kashmir along with the people living here, then only we can help,” he said.

A senior police official told Indian Express, that they had clear directions to allow the Bondevik’s visit, who has also met a few pro-government activists and the members of Kashmir Chamber of Commerce and Industry and Bar Association at the Sher-e-Kashmir International Conference Centre.



https://www.financialexpress.com/in...visit-to-separatist-hurriyat-leaders/1392946/

There would be a lot of people who would agree with you except AJK and GB stays with Pakistan.

This follows the Chenab formula where Jammu goes to India, and the rest goes to Pakistan.

 

[HalfMoon]

Ex-Norway PM's J&K Visit: Congress Says Modi Government 'Compromised' on National Security

Congress chief spokesperson Randeep Surjewala said the policy underlines that only India and Pakistan can hold a mutual discussion on the boundary dispute and accused the central government of violating the country's 71-year-old policy to deal with the issue.
PTI

Updated:November 26, 2018, 8:22 PM IST

File photo of Congress spokesperson Randeep Singh Surjewala. (PTI)

Bhopal: The Congress alleged Monday the "weak" Narendra Modi government "compromised on" the national security by allowing a "third party mediation" in Jammu and Kashmir, days after an ex-Norwegian prime minister's visit to the state.

Congress chief spokesperson Randeep Surjewala said the policy underlines that only India and Pakistan can hold a mutual discussion on the boundary dispute and accused the central government of violating the country's 71-year-old policy to deal with the issue.




"You must have read in newspapers... I don't want to take his name, I don't disrespect him. But for the first time, Modiji has sent a former prime minister of a third country to J&K to talk with separatists...Why? This question should be asked to him," Surjewala told reporters.


He was apparently referring to the recent visit of former Norwegian prime minister Kjell Magne Bondevik to Jammu and Kashmir where he met top separatist leaders.


Surjewala was replying to a query on Congress minister Navjot Singh Sidhu's comments on Indo-Pak relations in the context of Pakistan's announcement to develop a corridor to Kartarpur Sahib, the final resting place of Sikhism founder Guru Nanak Dev, in that country.

Sidhu had said that "Pakistan would take two steps towards harmony, if India takes one".

"It has been India's policy that any mediation by a third country is not allowed and that India and Pakistan can talk mutually about their boundary dispute," Surjewala said.

He said the Modi government "cannot be expected" to take a firm step on the national security.

"Unfortunately, for the first time a weak Modi government is in power, which has knelt down before terrorists, extremism and Naxalism. We cannot expect it to take a solid step on the issue of the national security," the Congress spokesperson said.

He said the prime minister has "blurred" the traditional policy of India on Jammu and Kashmir by allowing a former PM of a third country to talk with separatists.

"Today, it's one country's prime minister, tomorrow the US would ask to mediate in Kashmir dispute, then China and Russia would also come. What are you doing? This is a compromise on the national security," he said.

Asked if Sidhu's comments amounted to his love for Pakistan, Surjewala said, "Sidhu is the minister of a state and you (media) took up his comment which is not relevant.... not under his jurisdiction".

He said the media should ask the Modi government why a former prime minister of a foreign country was invited for a joint dialogue.

India and Pakistan had last week announced that they would develop Kartarpur corridor in their respective areas, linking Dera Baba Nanak in Punjab's Gurdaspur district with the Gurdwara Darbar Sahib in Pakistan.

Gurdwara Darbar Sahib, the final resting place of Sikhism founder Guru Nanak Dev, is located across the Ravi river in Pakistan and is about four kilometres from the Dera Baba Nanak shrine in Gurdaspur district of Punjab in India.

Surjewala said the prime minister has not kept his promise of bringing culprits of the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack to book.

"Modi had said that he would bring the culprits of the 26/11 terror attack within 24 hours. What happened? Four-and-a half years have been passed (since the BJP came to power). Why this promise was not kept?" he asked.

On November 26, 2008 10 terrorists of Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba attacked Mumbai. In the mayhem that followed for the next three days, 166 people including 18 police officers and two NSG commandos were killed while 308 people were injured.

https://www.news18.com/news/india/e...compromised-on-national-security-1951419.html

 

[MultaniGuy]

To be honest, i still think that a plebiscite is still the best solution, hold them in GB,AJK and J&K on district wise and let them decide once and for all. IMO even if India hands over the Sunni majority Kashmir part to Pakistan the issue will not get resolved because there will always be voices on both sides claiming that people were not happy and were forced.

Once this is issue is resolved watch how both Pakistan and India's prosperity will skyrocket.

This follows the Chenab formula where Hindu majority Jammu goes to India, while Kashmir Valley and Shia and Buddhist Ladakh goes to Pakistan.

Many Pakistanis could accept this arrangement.

I agree with you that a Plebiscite is the best solution to the problem, but India isn't going to do it.

 

[Imran Khan]

i will be happy to see its solved forever its a big stone in our development and peace

 

[MultaniGuy]

courage to take it up...Rather than wasting his political capital in building Ram temple, he could have used to take up risky decision to Kashmir issue.

There is only one final solution. Gilgit-Baltistan is ceded back to India and becomes a part of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. Azad Kashmir can be declared an independent country, with Muzaffarabad as its capital.

Nice try dumbass, Muslims of Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir want to remain with Muslim Pakistan.

Don't bring up Bangladesh, that country was too far to govern and is not contiguous with the rest of West Pakistan.

I suggest the Chenab Formula. India gets something out of Kashmir which is Hindu majority areas which is half of Jammu. The Rest of Kashmir goes to Pakistan.

India saves face. Pakistan gets roughly the Muslim majority area. Everyone is happy.
The Chenab formula.

 

[Imad.Khan]

This follows the Chenab formula where Hindu majority Jammu goes to India, while Kashmir Valley and Shia and Buddhist Ladakh goes to Pakistan.

Many Pakistanis could accept this arrangement.

I agree with you that a Plebiscite is the best solution to the problem, but India isn't going to do it.

Kargil is the Shia majority area, but Leh which is the largest district in whole of J&K is Buddhist majority area. Why would they want to join Pakistan? I know that i should just shut up and take what ever we get, but unfortunately my thinking is different. I care more about the people than land.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Kargil is the Shia majority area, but Leh which is the largest district in whole of J&K is Buddhist majority area. Why would they want to join Pakistan? I know that i should just shut up and take what ever we get, but unfortunately my thinking is different. I care more about the people than land.

Yes but Ladakh is 46% Muslim and 39% Buddhist and others.

Yes but the Leh district would be impossible to govern by India while Kargil district belongs to Pakistan.

Yes but Muslims are still the largest group in Ladakh District.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir#Demographics

So its only fair that Pakistan gets Ladakh too.

Anyways @Imad.Khan , you were the one who said Plebiscite is the best solution to the problem, Pakistan would get Hindu majority Jammu and a Ladakh where Buddhists are a significant minority.

Anyways.

Kargil is the Shia majority area, but Leh which is the largest district in whole of J&K is Buddhist majority area. Why would they want to join Pakistan? I know that i should just shut up and take what ever we get, but unfortunately my thinking is different. I care more about the people than land.

But what is your point anyways? Muslims make 68% majority in Indian occupied Jammu and Kashmir.
Pakistan should really get all of Indian occupied Jammu and Kashmir.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir#Demographics

 

[HalfMoon]

i will be happy to see its solved forever its a big stone in our development and peace

The proposals being discussed are Scenario 5 or 6 through Plebiscite.

Scenario one: The status quo
Kashmir has been a flashpoint between India and Pakistan for more than 50 years. Currently a boundary - the Line of Control - divides the region in two, with one part administered by India and one by Pakistan. India would like to formalise this status quo and make it the accepted international boundary. But Pakistan and Kashmiri activists reject this plan because they both want greater control over the region.

In 1947-8 India and Pakistan fought their first war over Jammu and Kashmir. Under United Nations' supervision, they agreed to a ceasefire along a line which left one-third of the state - comprising what Pakistan calls Azad Jammu and Kashmir, and the Northern Areas administered by Pakistan and two-thirds, Jammu, Ladakh and the Kashmir Valley, administered by India.

In 1972, under the terms of the Simla agreement, the ceasefire line was renamed the Line of Control.

Although India claims that the entire state is part of India, it has been prepared to accept the Line of Control as the international border, with some possible modifications. Both the US and the UK have also favoured turning the Line of Control into an internationally-recognised frontier.

But Pakistan has consistently refused to accept the Line of Control as the border since the predominantly Muslim Kashmir Valley would remain as part of India. Formalising the status quo also does not take account of the aspirations of those Kashmiris who have been fighting since 1989 for independence for the whole or part of the state.

Scenario two: Kashmir joins Pakistan
Pakistan has consistently favoured this as the best solution to the dispute. In view of the state's majority Muslim population, it believes that it would vote to become part of Pakistan. However a single plebiscite held in a region which comprises peoples that are culturally, religiously and ethnically diverse, would create disaffected minorities. The Hindus of Jammu, and the Buddhists of Ladakh have never shown any desire to join Pakistan and would protest at the outcome.

In 1947 India and Pakistan agreed that the allegiance of the state of Jammu and Kashmir would be decided by a plebiscite. Had the majority voted in favour of Pakistan, the whole state would have become part of Pakistan. This no longer seems to be an option.

A plebiscite offering the choice of union with Pakistan or India also does not take into account the movement for independence which has been supported by political and militant activists since 1989. India has long since rejected the idea of a plebiscite as a means of settling the Kashmir issue.

Instead the government argues that the people have exercised their right of self-determination by participating in elections within the state.

However the demand for a plebiscite to be held, as recommended by the Governor-General of India, Lord Mountbatten in 1947, and endorsed by the United Nations Security Council, is still considered by some as a way of letting Kashmiris exercise their right of self-determination.

Scenario three: Kashmir joins India
Such a solution would be unlikely to bring stability to the region as the Muslim inhabitants of Pakistani-administered Jammu and Kashmir, including the Northern Areas, have never shown any desire to become part of India.

In 1947, the Maharajah of Jammu and Kashmir agreed to the state becoming part of India. India and Pakistan then agreed to hold a plebiscite to confirm which country Kashmir's citizens wanted to join. The Indian Government believed that the majority population, under the charismatic leadership of Sheikh Abdullah, would vote to join India, with its secular constitution, rather than Muslim Pakistan.

If the plebiscite had been held and the majority had voted in favour of India, Pakistan would have had to relinquish control of the Northern Areas and the narrow strip of Jammu and Kashmir which it occupied militarily in 1947-8.

India has long since rejected the idea of holding a single plebiscite as a means of determining the fate of the state of Jammu and Kashmir. It believes that the people made their choice by participating in elections within the state.

Without including a third option of independence from both India and Pakistan, the plebiscite also fails to satisfy the demands of those Kashmiris wanting full independence.

Scenario four: Independent Kashmir
The difficulty of adopting this as a potential solution is that it requires India and Pakistan to give up territory, which they are not willing to do. Any plebiscite or referendum likely to result in a majority vote for independence would therefore probably be opposed by both India and Pakistan. It would also be rejected by the inhabitants of the state who are content with their status as part of the countries to which they already owe allegiance.

An independent Jammu and Kashmir might also set in motion the demand for independence by other states in both India and Pakistan and lead to a "Balkanisation" of the region.

In the 1960s, following discussions between India and Pakistan over Jammu and Kashmir, a group of Kashmiris demanded that the entire state should become independent as it was prior to the Maharajah's accession to India in 1947.

The movement for independence of the entire state is mainly supported by Kashmiris who inhabit the more populous Kashmir Valley and who would like both India and Pakistan to vacate the areas they are occupying. They base their claim on the fact that the state was formerly an independent princely state, is geographically larger than at least 68 countries of the United Nations, and more populous than 90.

This movement is not supported by India or Pakistan, both of which would lose territory. And in view of the likely regional instability, an independent Kashmir is not supported by the international community either.