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[roach]

Has anyone noticed something strange this summer?

Tourist arrivals in Kashmir were at a record high. My Sister-in-law's family drove down to the valley and had a great time- the place was packed with tourists worse than Chandni chowk in Delhi.

That was the summer (school) holidays. Ordinary Kashmiris made a decent living this summer after a long, long time- thank god for that.

RIGHT after schools reopened this summer, the trouble started. Stone-throwing. And for my Pakistani friends, I know that it is difficult to believe- but these kids do get paid for throwing stones. It's a livelihood, it pays for food and medicines. It is public knowledge in the Valley.

There has obviously been an 'agreement' between parties to let the summer rush get over....the Militants realize that poor, hungry people will resent them as much as they resent the army or police.

Spontaneous? I don't think so.

 

[booo]

even I've been to kashmir this june

 

[toxic_pus]

But did the 1935 Act even apply, since British paramountcy no longer applied - theoretically then there were no 'rules' governing the accession of the State of Kashmir. 'His majesty' was not accepting the instrument of accession in the case of J&K, the Governor General of India was.

Yes, India Act, 1935 was applicable to the extent permitted by Indian Independence Act, 1947. According to Section 8(2) of Indian Independence Act, 1947:

‘Except in so far as other provision is made by or in accordance with a law made by the Constituent Assembly of the Dominion under subsection (i) of this section, each of the new Dominions and all Provinces and other parts thereof shall be governed as nearly as may be in accordance with the Government of India Act, 1935……’​

Indian Independence Act, 1947 dealt with some very specific issues, primary among which were the partition of the provinces of Bengal, Assam and Punjab, the legality of outstanding agreements, standstill agreements etc. Accordingly, necessary amendments were also made in India Act, 1935.

But if we are to leave that gray area and go with 'policy', then quite clearly 'policy and promises' of plebiscite, as clearly indicated by the Governor General of India's comments (and also those of the Prime Minister of India, Nehru) were violated by India.

This time around I will quote the same comments of Mountbatten that you have quoted earlier, highlighting a different part, and leave it without a comment.

In the special circumstances mentioned by Your Highness, my Government have decided to accept the accession of Kashmir State to the Dominion of India. Consistently with their policy that, in the case of any State where the issue of accession has been the subject of dispute, the question of accession should be decided in accordance with the wishes of the people of the State, it is my wish that as soon as law and order have been restored in Kashmir and its soil cleared of the invader, the question of the States accession should be settled by a reference to the people.​

That is a unilateral determination on the part of India, similar to its intervention decades later in East Pakistan - stoking rebellion and destabilizing a territory and then using the weakest of pretexts and no real engagement with the nation exercising sovereignty over the territory to wage war, invade and occupy said territories.

Victoria Shofiled commented, in her book 'Kashmir In Conflict', that Jinnah was ‘shocked’ to learn that PA was completely incapable of reaching Junagadh, let alone secure law and order. The dewan of Junagadh, was in constant touch with Pakistan and every single move he made, including his occasional farts and belches, was on the direction of Pakistan. When the law and order situation got completely out of hand, Pakistan agreed, although grudgingly, through the dewan, for Indian intervention.

No matter how hard you try it still wasn't an 'invasion'.

Did India gain sanction from the UN or any other international body to legitimize its military actions against the sovereign State of Pakistan under the pretext of 'crises'? No it did not, therefore Indian actions in Junagadh have no legitimacy and no legality and the State was illegally invaded and occupied.

India didn’t need one. The dewan, on behalf of Pakistan, had asked for help. That was enough.

An image of the IoA is in the public domain - I was referring to the original document itself being vetted for authenticity.

To the best of my understanding, except for Alastair Lamb, who, I must admit, has done a phenomenal job at making a molehill out of a molehill, no body, who matters, has questioned the authenticity of the document.

Yet the State of Pakistan accepted the UNSC resolutions calling for plebiscite in the case of J&K, as did the State of India, which as you and I have both pointed out, looked to 'plebiscite' in determining final status and accession as a matter of policy, and yet it was the Indian State that chose to unilaterally violate its commitments internationally and on a bilateral level with the people of Kashmir.

Yes, Pakistan accepted the plebiscite in Kashmir, in October, 1948, a full one year after the fiasco, only after biting off a large chunk of it and consolidating its position in Kashmir thus ensuring that plebiscite would never ever be held in Kashmir. If Pakistan’s true intention was to solve Kashmir in any way, Jinnah would have accepted Mountbatten’s offer of plebiscite on 1st Nov, 1947.

 

[schneider]

The majority of the citizen's in Kashmire are/were muslims thus the region belongs to Pakistan

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[schneider]

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[JonAsad]

Good way to infiltrate the Police,
get training, learn to use weapons, understand the system.
and when the time comes Inquilaaab Zindabad

 

[afriend]

Wot is the big deal brother. Some people are the biggest hypocrites in the world, when they bann facebookd and twitter based on religious lines and they cry for freedom for expression in another country.

All relgious people are to an extent hypocrites. So i would suggest to everyone be secular and be reasonable.

 

[EjazR]

Kashmir govt to organise community kitchens, special classes for students - Hindustan Times

As Kashmir valley reels under curfew, security restrictions and separatists’ protest shutdown for more than three weeks now, the J-K government on Monday decided to open ration depots in rural and urban areas as per the convenience of the people and till late hours even on holidays. The government also plans to organise special and extra classes to
the loss of the academic session due to closure of schools for almost a month now.

The state government is contemplating to organise free community kitchens in hospitals for the patients and attendants, who are not able to move out on roads or cover distances to reach their villages and districts.

There were reports of patients and attendants stranded in Valley hospitals due to imposition of curfew.

Advisor to state Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, Mubarak Gul, convened a meeting on Monday to take stock of the supply position of the essentials in the Valley. The government claimed there was no shortage of food grains.

"The department concerned is trying its best to reach to the people in a big way," said a government spokesman in a press statement.

The government claimed that 3.20 lakh quintals of rice, 32,440 quintals wheat and 33,800 quintals of sugar are available in the godowns. It said 2.21 lakh quintals of rice, 12,000 quintals wheat and 4,000 quintals sugar were dispatched to various destinations this month.

The government appealed to the people to cooperate with the government in discharging essential services for the benefit of the common people. It has established a control room in the directorate of CAPD department for the facility of people.

Minister for Education and Public Enterprises Peerzada Mohammad Syeed said the academic activities in particular have been adversely affected by ongoing strikes and as such the students may not be able to complete their syllabus in time.

The students were advised in their own interests to attend the school regularly and devote their time for studies so that they are able to complete their syllabus and compete with the others.

 

[karan.1970]

Good way to infiltrate the Police,
get training, learn to use weapons, understand the system.
and when the time comes Inquilaaab Zindabad

Is that what Taliban has done to Pakistan?? Wouldnt it be more prudent for Pakistan to handle the internal mess its going thru before looking out. You are not able to protect your own citizens and are bothered about people belonging to another nation (even if you contend that Kashmir is not India, its still not Pakistan)

 

[Weapon Of Choice]

Good way to infiltrate the Police,
get training, learn to use weapons, understand the system.
and when the time comes Inquilaaab Zindabad

Good way of keeping our armed forces away from the line of fire!!
Kashmiris will themselves be killed by the terrorists.
These terrorists will cause a slow genocide of kashmiris and kashmir will be free of those who oppose us.
Lure them with money and get them killed by people who claim that they carry out the armed struggle on kasmiri people's behalf.
This is a good strategy carried out by govt. of india. Its a very smart move of getting our job done.
This will reduce the burden from our armed forces.

 

[superhero]

Good way to infiltrate the Police,
get training, learn to use weapons, understand the system.
and when the time comes Inquilaaab Zindabad

Yeah right thats what they have been doing for past 62 years. Kashmiris have been part of the armed forces. Strage that the Inquilaab never came from the security agencies but was always other way around.

 

[ice_man]

the GORA SAHIB did this to the sub continent under its rule! they hired more & more people of the land into its army & police!!! so does that mean that ALL OUR FOREFATHERS never wanted independence??? wooow great logic by you guys i think india should surrender its independence and become a colony of the british by your logic!!

just a couple of people joining police doesn't change the IDEOLOGY OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY!

 

[superhero]

the GORA SAHIB did this to the sub continent under its rule! they hired more & more people of the land into its army & police!!! so does that mean that ALL OUR FOREFATHERS never wanted independence??? wooow great logic by you guys i think india should surrender its independence and become a colony of the british by your logic!!

just a couple of people joining police doesn't change the IDEOLOGY OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY!

Well and that community resides on the other side of border. No Indian Muslim community want to part away with India. If it was the case then it would have happened within the past 62 years when there was all powerful Pakistan backing it up. We were never that strong to have faced our own people backed by a whole country.

 

[Fireurimagination]

That is precisely the moral bankruptcy I was referring to earlier - the Nazis had a similar lack of qualms about their methods in preserving and extending the 'glory of their nation' - Indians such as you are in pretty depraved company in terms of mindset then.

LOL moral bankruptcy on part of India? We may not be perfect but still we are not the epicenter of terrorism and extremism, we don't build barbaric forces like Taliban and then over night dump them, we don't export terrorism in name of religion to all corners of the planet.

India could have easily flooded Kashmir valley with outsiders (read Hindus, Sikhs) and changed the dynamics in no time, but India never did that

India could have shut down the media and used brute force like China and other forces do but India never did that, it even gave Separatists their political space

The Shimla agreement that Pakistanis sign in 1971 stated that Kashmir issue will be resolved bilaterally and thus India released 90000 POW, so why do you now cry about UN resolution of 1947 or don't you people respect treaties that you people sign yourself

 

[fatman17]

India unhappy over army chief's indicting remarks

* Gen VK Singh says New Delhi failed to take administrative measures to build confidence after army's good work in Indian-held Kashmir

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: Indian Army Chief General VK Singh's remarks, where he hinted that India has failed to consolidate and capitalise on gains made by the army in Indian-held Kashmir (IHK), have not gone down well with the government.

Recently, Singh said that the situation in IHK had been tense for quite some time now for many reasons. ''The basic reason has been that we have not been able to build up on the gains that we have made over a period of time.'' He said the army had done a lot of work to restore normalcy in the valley and situation had been brought to a level when other initiatives should have been taken. Directly indicting the political leadership, he said administrative measures needed to be taken by elected leaders at various levels to build confidence.

Talking on the issue, a government official said, "Military commanders give candid advice to the government directly. But the tradition in democracies is that these views are shared discretely and confidentially with the political bosses".

The official said military commanders interact with civilian leadership at various levels to share their assessment of situations. But the authority of the civilian executive is always paramount as they have wider exposure and inputs at their disposal for taking decisions, he said, adding that military commanders' candid opinions were welcome but needed to be discreet and private.

The official said that the army's input was important, but its views should not undermine the political leadership of the country. Although admitting that Singh's assessment did carry weight, the official said it (Singh's views) might only be the security side of the situation. "Political view takes into account overall situation," he added.

Defence Minister AK Antony had earlier ticked the service chiefs for going public on the issue of Pay Commission's recommendations last year. Later, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh asked Antony to keep service chiefs from publicly commenting on various issues.

In January 2010, reported comments by former Indian army chief General Deepak Kapoor, on the issue of Maoist cadres joining the Nepalese Army, had kicked up a storm in the neighbouring country. The Indian embassy in Kathmandu was forced to do damage control by issuing a press statement, which stated that the army chief's comments were "highly distorted" and did not "reflect the Indian government's position on the issue".

Earlier, in November, Kapoor had talked about the possibility of a limited war under the nuclear overhang in the Indian subcontinent.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who was on a visit to the US, was forced to make an assertive statement saying that Pakistan did not face any threat from India.