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[Goodperson]

atlast found his photo.

Profile - abdulruff - Zimbio

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Personal Info
Dr.Abdul Ruff Colachal (Male)
Born on 10-May-77
Lives in New Delhi , USA 10005
Interests
reading, writing

Its amusing poster finds an year old bluff article dated 3/26/2008 by Abdull Bluff

 

[faisal4pro]

Its amusing poster finds an year old bluff article dated 3/26/2008 by Abdull Bluff

Thats a blunder dude! gimme the proof that this is the real abdul rauf! surely u cant! as i cant give u proof of his being real abdul rauf - the Indian!

 

[EjazR]

Instead of indulging in character assasination why don't you critique the points he has raised.

And let me clarify that this is not his view, its his father's view as well. Mawdudi who is the spiritual founder of JI. And he was imprisoned for defying to call this Jihad, so who else will defy the PA/ISI combine and risk being imprisoned in Pakistan?

On the other hand Qazi Hussain makes good money by calling people to the so called Jihad and sends his kids to the US. See the hypocrisy?

Another point to note is that we are specifically talking about Pakistan based groups infiltrating into India across the LoC most of the time with clandestine support from intelligence agencies.

Anyways there are two main points here:
(1) The current J&K govt. is elected by kashmiris and consists of muslims representatives with a popular turnout, so infact they are "ruled" by muslims. They also have freedom to practice their religion unlike China for example where you can't state your relgioon until you turn 18. (No Jihad there ehh? Maybe the intelligence agencies did'nt want that) and even the areas where they are in majority don't have muslim administrators.

(2) Having a covert war is unIslamic. Since the GoP has already signed treaties with India and demarcated the LoC, it has to adhere to it. Supporting or sending fighters across is in violation of this treaty and UnIslamic and pure nifaq and people who indulge in this double game are munafiqs. Jiahd itself is a noble concept where we struggle (not neccessarily militarily) for a just cause and is fought openly not hiding like these groups do which again points to nifaq and they being UnIslamic.

If GoP wants to claim Kashmir, it should break all treaties and publiclly declare war and fight with the PA instead. Keeping honest to your word and upholding your promises and treaties is one of the most important and defning characters of muslims and here is where this "Jihad" fails by going against original and conservative interpratations. Large number of ulema in India including local Kashmiri ulema have already said there is no Jihad. This also includes many pro-independance sepratists.

However, if you still (wrongly) say that it is valid in Kashmir despite the fact that the majority of the people killed by these militants are muslims (BERNAMA - More Muslims Killed In Kashmir By Militants) just because they are "puppets" or are not true muslims. Then you can see why the TTP (wrongly claim) validity for their justification in attacking the GoP and PA/ISI. For their simple minds its quite logical because after all wern't they killing muslim politicians or people who opposed them because they were not "true" muslims and had sold themselves out in Kashmir? And doesn't that same logic apply to the current GoP and PA/ISI that is willingly following the US?

Here are some more links about no Jihad in Kashmir where even the head mufti has endorsed this view http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/archives/archives2008/kashmir20080228d.html
http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/insights/insight9811b.html

 

[90210]

Instead of indulging in character assasination why don't you critique the points he has raised. And let me clarify that this is not his view, its his father's view as well. Mawdudi who is the spiritual founder of JI. And he was imprisoned for defying to call this Jihad, so who else will defy the PA/ISI combine and risk being imprisoned in Pakistan?

On the other hand Qazi Hussain makes good money by calling people to the so called Jihad and sends his kids to the US. See the hypocrisy?

Another point to note is that we are specifically talking about Pakistan based groups infiltrating into India across the LoC most of the time with clandestine support from intelligence agencies.

Anyways there are two main points here:
(1) The current J&K govt. is elected by kashmiris and consists of muslims representatives with a popular turnout, so infact they are "ruled" by muslims. They also have freedom to practice their religion unlike China for example where you can't state your relgioon until you turn 18. (No Jihad there ehh? Maybe the intelligence agencies did'nt want that) and even the areas where they are in majority don't ahve muslim administrators.

(2) Having a covert war is unIslamic. Since the GoP has already singed treaties with India and demarcated the LoC it has to adhere to it. Supporting or sending fighters across is in violation of this treaty and UnIslamic and pure nifaq and people who indulge in this double game are munafiqs. Jiahd itself is a noble concept where we struggle (not neccessarily militarily) for a just cause and is fought openly not hiding like these groups do which again points to nifaq and they being UnIslamic.
If GoP wants to claim Kashmir, it should break all treaties and publiclly declare war and fight with the PA instead. Keeping honest to your word and upholding your promises and treaties is one of the most important and defning characters of muslims and here is where this "Jihad" fails by going against original and conservative interpratations. Large number of ulema in India including local Kashmiri ulema have already said there is no Jihad. This also includes many pro-independance sepratists.

However, if you still (wrongly) say that it is valid in Kashmir despite the fact that the majority of the people killed by these militants are muslims (BERNAMA - More Muslims Killed In Kashmir By Militants) just because they are "puppets" or are not true muslims. Then you can see why the TTP (wrongly claim) validity for their justification in attacking the GoP and PA/ISI. For their simple minds its quite logical because after all wern't they killing muslim politicians or people who opposed them because they were not "true" muslims and had sold themselves out? And doesn't that same logic apply to the current GoP and PA/ISI that is willingly following the US?

Propoganda post.

 

[Halaku Khan]

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
By Iftikhar Gilani

SRINAGAR: Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh envisages open borders between India and Pakistan, former Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) deputy chief minister Muzaffar Hussain Beg said on Sunday. Addressing a seminar, Beg said when a People’s Democratic Party (PDP) delegation called on Singh during his Srinagar visit, the prime minister shared his vision of “soft and open” borders between India and Pakistan, just like between the US and Canada.

“I want free borders like the US and Canada, where there is no need of an army,” Beg quoted Singh as telling the delegation. Earlier, speakers including PDP patron Mufti Muhammad Sayeed, President Mehbooba Mufti and jurist AG Noorani, asked for an immediate resolution of the Kashmir issue, calling it the “greatest threat to peace in South Asia”.

Beg proposed making Kashmir a “free economic zone” so that the process of evolving the South Asian union as envisaged in the SAARC charter could begin. He claimed that the Indian prime minister had reacted favourably to the proposal. Noorani claimed that India and Pakistan had already reached an agreement on Kashmir on the basis of former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf’s four-point formula.

He said the self-rule document, as presented by the PDP, was an “imaginative” and “creative” proposal to settle the Kashmir issue. Noorani also asked Kashmiri leaders to understand Singh’s position, who was “fighting a tough battle within his own party and within the cabinet” to settle issues with Pakistan.



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^^^ With appropriate infrastructure such as smart cards, biometric identification, electronic cash etc, "soft borders" are technically feasible.

 

[hembo]

Braveheart Rukhsana appointed SPO in J&K police
Mon, Nov 2 12:31 PM

Jammu, Nov 2 (PTI) Rukhsana Kausar, who shot into limelight by killing a Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist, has been appointed as special police officer (SPO) along with her brother and uncle in Jammu and Kashmir Police, a police officer said today. The appointment of Rukhsana to the post comes more than a month after she killed a top Pakistani militant of the LeT and injured another on September 27.

Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP), Rajouri, Shafkat Wattali told PTI here that Rukhsana, her brother Aijaz and her uncle Wakalat Hussain, who was injured in the militant attack, have been appointed as SPOs in the police force recently and they were doing their job well. He denied reports in the media that Rukhsana was being shifted to New Delhi for security reasons.

"There is no truth in media reports that Rukhsana or her parents are being shifted to Delhi for security reasons in view of the recent attack by militants on her house on Friday last", he said. Wattali said Rukhsana has gone to New Delhi to attend an award function organised by All India Anti-Terrorist Front headed by M S Bitta.

The award ceremony was originally to be held in Pune but is now being held in Delhi, he said.

 

[Halaku Khan]

Bear kills two Hizbul infiltrators in cave - India - The Times of India

SRINAGAR: It seems these are the worst of times to be a militant in Kashmir. First, a Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist was axed to death by a teenage girl in Rajouri roughly a month ago. Now, a bear has mauled two Hizbul Mujahideen militants to death as they hid in its cave in Shopian, South Kashmir.

According to defence spokesman Lt Col J S Brar, the two commanders dared to colonise a bear's cave at Darwal Nar in Pir Panjal in Shopian and paid for it with their lives. For, late on Sunday night, as the two slept, the bear came calling.

"It attacked the armed militants and killed them on the spot," Brar said.

It was only on Monday morning that an Army patrol party saw two bodies inside the cave and, on frisking through their clothes, found that they were Hizbul Mujahideen commanders.

Medical examinations revealed that the two were mauled to death by a bear. The two were identified as Kaisar Ahmad and Saifullah, both residents of Kashmir, the spokesman said.

‘‘Two Ak 47 rifles and some ammunition were recovered from the spot,’’ he added.This is the first known instance in last 20 years of insurgency in J&K of a wild animal attacking and killing militants, who have their hideouts mostly in dense forests or on mountain ranges.

 

[third eye]

Beastly luck !

 

[brahmastra]

Beastly luck !

even animals are against this "freedom fighters" lol....

 

[TruthSeeker]

If you grow a full bushy beard, a bear may mistake you for someone to have a good time with, and then be disappointed......

 

[S-2]

Geez this is a morbidly funny story. I've ALWAYS kept my eyes peeled when out in Montana. It's the real deal there and there's ALWAYS somebody getting mauled at some point in the year.

God bless the game wardens for assuring that these fine and proud animals have a place still to roam and do their good work.

 

[Bullhead]

Can't help ...........Laughing my Azz off.................

Time to recruit some Bears in Indian Army...

 

[oceanx]

Interesting ... now how do we know the bear(s) weren't working for R.A.W. for the promise of some raw flavour?

Now seriously, I wouldn't put it past the "anti-insurgency professionals" there to a couple of trouble-making, disrespectful local boys and dump their bodies in a cave where hungry Kodiaks sniff around ...

Of course, being in the employment of a liberal plutocracy, the honourable Saffron forces could never ever stoop to such a low. To even think that would border on libel. I mean, would fellow neo-con eager beaver in the "coalition of the willing", Macedonia, ever pull off a stunt like that?

Therefore, I call on everyone to denounce OceanX for being such a shameless conspiracist ...

And to the Times of India!

 

[Goodperson]

It may be conspiracy by RAW against innocent Bears perhaps they killed the terrorist.

 

[TruthSeeker]

OceanX is a shameless conspiracist!

[please note that "conspiracist" is not a bona fide English word ....]