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I checked and came up with some startling revelations.



The italicised part continues as The BJP however chose not to defend the various criminal cases against his workers. He was soon sidelined in the Dal for his extreme views, and was later expelled.



This continues as Muthalik quit the Sena in 2006 after the party revived its demand for the merger of the Marathi speaking areas like Belgaum with Maharashtra. He then formed the Rashtriya Hindu Sena

Dont ask me the source,its the same Wiki page on Pramod Muthalik you referred to.



Who knows he may have made use of two words - "Anticipatory Bail"

And read this also;



A fast mover, peddling his brand of Hindutva - Hindustan Times

There is no point in arguing if you wish to cherry pick and intentionally omit one part of the story to demonise the RSS to further your point.

If you look up the back issues of Deccan Herald and Times of India, you will get even more startling results, starting with the antecedents and background of a very, very senior BJP politiican currently in trouble because of his favouring his son and son-in-law.

I quoted only those sections that showed his links with the Sangh Parivar, since that was my point, that he had such links, not that he had them permanently. This was in opposition to being told with a lofty air of condescension that the Sri Ram Sene was in fact nothing to do with the Parivar.

Again, I repeat: they are intimately connected. Pramod Muthalik gets away scotfree only because he represents the 'plausible deniability' of the Sangh Parivar. They do what the Parivar would do if the Parivar did not have to worry about trashy things and the cretins who go and vote.
 
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What is this BS?!

Mods please delete this thread.
 
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Again, I repeat: they are intimately connected. Pramod Muthalik gets away scotfree only because he represents the 'plausible deniability' of the Sangh Parivar. They do what the Parivar would do if the Parivar did not have to worry about trashy things and the cretins who go and vote.

That's your theory. Far more plausible is the possibility is the Mutalik is a ploy to divide "Hindu" votes.

If you look up the back issues of Deccan Herald and Times of India, you will get even more startling results, starting with the antecedents and background of a very, very senior BJP politiican currently in trouble because of his favouring his son and son-in-law.

Why are we being coy. Spill the beans and we shall examine how far the RSS hypothesis holds up.
 
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That's right. 85% of the population was attacked by the rest. Oh, I forgot to exclude the Christians and the Sikhs, from the rest.

Indics in India are routinely subjected to brutal pogroms, with the connivance of the authorities. Most recent example being Debanga.

The Pioneer :: Home : >> Anatomy of a riot foretold


The Maoists have already gone on record having killed Lakshmananda for his anti-people record of preaching hate and dividing people on communal lines. In case you haven't noticed, the Maoists, given their predilection for violence, are not particularly communal. In fact, the contrary; they execute any religious preachers in their territories.

As regards Lakshmananda, it was the Christian faction of the Maoists that was responsible for the massacre of the Ashram residents, with the abetment of powerful Christian Congress politicians. In fact, the gory murder resulted in a split between the Hindu and Christian Maoists.

Funny how they thought Lakshmananda was a bigot and preacher of hate worth killing, but not Staines.
Not at all surprising, it was Lakshmanananda who was a hurdle for the evangelists, not Staines.

I don't want to expose the whole dreadful situation on a foreign web-site. But if you look up the history of the culture of the Konds, who are now called Kandha by Sanskritising elements, and their history of human sacrifice, and the arms' length relationship they had with caste Hindu society, intermediated by the Pans, today called the Panas, a lot of things will fall into place.

Why the predilection for foreign sources when there is an official Indian inquiry report -

"Sources of the violence were deeply rooted in land disputes, conversion and re-conversion and fake certificate issues," Justice S C Mohapatra, heading the one-man panel, said in his interim report on the violence in Kandhamal which claimed 43 lives besides damaging many houses and churches.

Conversion, reconversion led to Kandhamal riots: Commission - The Times of India
Please note that the truth is very different from your "RSS did it" rant.

Yes, they do exist - so what is it that the Parivar likes to do? X does something in place Y; right, let's get the bastard. Let's burn alive A, in place B. And don't forget the kids, they'll grow up to be missionaries too.

My dear fellow, you have yet to apologize for your dishonest cherry-picking of the article on Mutalik. Such flights of rhetoric are unlikely to further your cause.
 
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yeah,yeah they did it and there is nothing wrong with it if you compare this to what hindus had to endure.

Most of the structure, in particular the massive walls, was in fact demolished after Kalyan Singh had already quit. It is in fact not known which individuals organized the tools, and who actually damaged the domes.
 
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The RSS was responsible for:

6. The encouragement and sponsorship of fanatic elements responsible for subordining officers in the Indian Army and for planting explosives on the Samjhauta Express, causing more loss of innocent lives;

Incidentally, there is some new insight on the Samjhauta incident, which our friend Joe is desperately trying to pin on the RSS.

Headley involved in 2007 Mumbai train blast by Lashkar-e-Taiba, ex-wife had told US agents | Frontier India - News, Analysis, Opinion

Sometimes, the sheer shamelessness and dishonesty of our secularists is mind-boggling. I mean, how is this any better than Zaid Hamid saying that Mumbai 26/11 was all an RSS plot to eliminate "Kurkuray".
 
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Please Read the Whole Article !


'Kashmir genocide like Bosnia'

Published: December 09, 2010

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WASHINGTON (Agencies) – WikiLeaks revealed that a cable sent from a US Mission in India termed former Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor an incompetent combat leader and rather a geek. His war doctrine, suggesting eliminating China and Pakistan in a simultaneous war front was termed ‘much far from reality’.

Another cable indicates that Gen Kapoor was dubbed as a General who was least bothered about security challenges to the country but was more concerned about making personal assets and strengthening his own cult in the army.

The cable also suggested that a tug of war between Kapoor and the current Indian Army Chief had divided the Indian army into two groups. Yet another cable suggested that the current Army Chief of Indian General VK Singh was having an aggressive approach and believes that ‘offence is the best defence’.

General Singh has also been described as ‘Pakistan, China centric’, with an added aggression towards China. The cable mentioned General Singh as an egotist, self-obsessed, petulant and idiosyncratic General, a braggadocio and a show-off, who has been disliked (and barely tolerated) by all his subordinates.

An earlier cable described Indian Army in gross human rights violations in Indian Held part of Jammu and Kashmir while some Lt-Gen HS Panag, the then GOC-in-Chief of the Northern Command of the Indian Army was equated with General Milosevic of Bosnia with regard to butchering Muslims through war crimes.

The cable urged Washington to secretly divert UN attention towards the genocide of innocent civilians in Held Kashmir on the hands of Indian Army and also suggested that US should avoid holding any joint drill with Indian army until it stops inhuman activities in Kashmir. The cable termed one Lt-Col AK Mathur as “Devil’s Advocate” at Srinagar.

Another cable indicated involvement of top Indian Army leadership in engaging Hindu extremist militants to carry out certain terror operations to keep Indian Muslims on the back foot and to keep pressure on neighbouring Pakistan’s army and intelligence agencies, particularly the Inter Services Intelligence. The cable did confirm the active presence of ISI in India but it refused to confirm any involvement of ISI in any terror incident across India and did confirm intelligence collection by its agents and operatives. Another cable confirmed that there was a nexus of top Indian army officials and extremist Hindu outfits.

This cable suggested that an Indian police officer, a counter terror specialist with the name of Hemant Karkare had exposed this nexus to some extent when he arrested a serving colonel of Indian Army, Lt-Colonel Purohit for blazing a Pakistan-bound train (Samjhota Express).

The cable suggested that Hemant Karkare held a secret meeting with a senior US diplomat at New Delhi during the national day reception of a friendly country and briefed him about the gravity and the growing depth of the nexus between top Indian army leadership and the militant Hindu fanatic groups. Karkare sought security for him and his family from the said American diplomat as he feared that the army and establishment would eliminate him as he intended to move further to expose the network.

He had further briefed the said US diplomat that a former Commander in Chief of the Central Command of the Indian army, Lt-General PN Hoon was heading the militancy wing of the Hindu extremists and was getting full tactical, logistic and financial support from senior army officers. The day, Karkare was eliminated in a pre-planned ambush during the Mumbai attacks, a cable sent to the US read “we have lost an important link and a vital evidence”.

Another cable sent to Washington termed Hindutva brotherhood in general and Shiv Sena in particular, as ticking time bombs with regard to militancy and terrorism. It was suggested that fund raisers like Hindu Students Council of America etc should be banned to raise funds as they were generating funds for the Hindu militant outfits under the garb of charity.

Another file dubs Hindutva Brotherhood as a far bigger threat to regional and global peace that Taliban, Al-Qaeda and LeT and the later three were declared as “peanuts” if equated with Hindutva Brotherhood and Sangh Parivaar and Washington was urged to take up the issue with New Delhi.

Another cable expressed grave concern over Indian government’s ability to handle naxal insurgency movement as 80 per cent of Indian nuclear and missile facilities were present in the insurgency hit areas of India while the Indian security forces were totally helpless in ensuring the writ of the government in that particular area, known as the “Red Corridor of India”.

Another cable from Islamabad suggested that there were enough evidence of Indian involvement in Waziristan and other tribal areas of Pakistan as well as Balochistan. ISI Chief General Ahmad Shuja Pasha’s extension in services was termed a good omen in one such cable and it was added that his further presence on the scene would enhance the agency’s abilities to combat anti-terror war.

'Kashmir genocide like Bosnia' | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
 
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Perhaps the original wikileaks article(and not its interpretation by a pakistani newspaper) will be a more authentic source for the above..
 
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This particular wikileak is unverified and the only known newspaper to publish is the one you have quoted here. Please post another independent source.

And a similar thread was started yesterday as well. Guess you forgot to use the similar threads function in your excitement.
 
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Again anything but worthless green media :disagree:

Btw what shall we call the Kashmiri Pundit refugees?
 
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no kashmiri genocide is equivalent to nazi genocide of jews. only thing, it is being done by terrorists and not indian armed forces. wat abt mass killings of kashmiri pandits.

the report has no credibility.
 
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kashmir == bosnia.....

WISH THEY FIND SOME MASS GRAVES of 1000s of ppl..... :D :D

not gonna happen dude....

bosnia was worse.....just coz bosnia got seperated doesnt mean kashmir will be just by linking it to bosnian massacre.....

u have no idea what bosnia incidence was when u compare it with kashmir !

get some life plz !
 
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